Not nearly as well as Vraska, which is a card they've already printed.
The ability is fine. Aggro can just attack the player instead of the planeswalker and kill him/her before Kiora can do anything. If hypothetical!Kiora keeps protecting herself with her +1, she never affects the board.
uhhh...
Vraska still takes the damage. This would not. It just gets to sit and level until it ultimates, should it choose to - and most PW ultimates are pretty game winning.
I want to believe this is Kiora but taking this into account and someone also mentioning in a different thread that there was supposed to be a merfolk powerful enough to potentially effect modern/legacy(or something to that affect) I wouldn't also be surprised to see this being a legendary creature.
Would be cool to see Kiora as mono U but I have a feeling it'll be UG if it happens which would make my sygg river guide deck sad.
Wouldn't the merfolk you are referring to be True Name Nemesis? Or did they specifically say that it was from Theros?
We also just came off RTR block where B got a whole half walker. How many times does it have to be said that Planeswalkers will be the colors that the story needs them to be and not what ________ (Standard, Modern, Legacy,missing walker colors -pick one) needs them to be.
He said three. Neither of your examples fit the bill. Scars block had two and Garruk from DKA wasn't black in any way besides flavorfully. Mono-black couldn't play him without a splash, mono-green could without a splash. He was mono-green.
He said three. Neither of your examples fit the bill. Scars block had two and Garruk from DKA wasn't black in any way besides flavorfully. Mono-black couldn't play him without a splash, mono-green could without a splash. He was mono-green.
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-2 Tutor for a land or creature put it in your hand (find the things in the locker)
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3 loyalty
Good flavor, but with scry in the set this ultimate would be really, really bad. For her abilities to be tied they should be exiled and later returned or turned into a creature type she later takes control over.
That's a better example. I never said they couldn't do it, I was simply pointing out the flaw in the other guy's examples. Although even this isn't a perfect comparison, as Theros would be three half green walkers while Alara was two half red walkers and a 1/3 red walker (even then, sort of 1/4 as he was half black). Not to mention that Ajani Vengeant, Sarkhan Vol and Nicol Bolas didn't work well together at all. Xenagos would almost certainly work well with any Ajani variant and would probably work well with the suggestions I've seen for this one.
The real question, assuming she's UG and is good and Ajani is WG and solid, is has any color ever had access to that many good walkers at once in standard? You'd have Domri, Garruk, Xenagos, her and Ajani. That seems a bit crazy to me, especially since you wouldn't even need to play five colors to get them all (just GRuw).
That's a better example. I never said they couldn't do it, I was simply pointing out the flaw in the other guy's examples. Although even this isn't a perfect comparison, as Theros would be three half green walkers while Alara was two half red walkers and a 1/3 red walker (even then, sort of 1/4 as he was half black). Not to mention that Ajani Vengeant, Sarkhan Vol and Nicol Bolas didn't work well together at all. Xenagos would almost certainly work well with any Ajani variant and would probably work well with the suggestions I've seen for this one.
The real question, assuming she's UG and is good and Ajani is WG and solid, is has any color ever had access to that many good walkers at once in standard? You'd have Domri, Garruk, Xenagos, her and Ajani. That seems a bit crazy to me, especially since you wouldn't even need to play five colors to get them all (just GRuw).
I think the damage is already done with how many excellent 'walkers that Green has access to (Domri, Garruk, and Xenagos), the real nail in the coffin being the release of Xenagos when Domri was released two sets earlier.
The problem could be easily alleviated by making Kiora and Ajani (assuming they are each green in some form) not have too great of synergy with the existing green walkers. I don't know about Ajani, but Kiora's ultimate could fetch leviathans, krakens, octopi, etc specifically, instead of fatties in general.
The ability wouldn't really work. The inherent fairness of a planeswalker is that you can attack them with creatures to stop their recurring advantage. If just attacking sent them back to hand then it would be able to protect itself better than any walker ever.
You have a good point.
My line of thinking was that Kiora not taking damage balanced out the creatures being bounced vs. destroyed,
and that aggro could just burn her to death,
but it's probably still too good as-is.
It could probably work as a 0 ability, though, as that wouldn't build her up.
On another note, let me reiterate how much I *don't* want her Ultimate to specify creature types.
That means it will only be as good as the Krakens, etc. of any given format,
and it requires you to play with cards you might not otherwise.
Creatures with CMC 6+ is fine.
While it's a bit weird, flavor wise,
I doubt Kiora would have any qualms about unleashing a Worldspine Wurm on her foes.
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I think the damage is already done with how many excellent 'walkers that Green has access to (Domri, Garruk, and Xenagos), the real nail in the coffin being the release of Xenagos when Domri was released two sets earlier.
The problem could be easily alleviated by making Kiora and Ajani (assuming they are each green in some form) not have too great of synergy with the existing green walkers. I don't know about Ajani, but Kiora's ultimate could fetch leviathans, krakens, octopi, etc specifically, instead of fatties in general.
Yeah but there's only a certain amount of slots you can give up for domri, xena, garruck mix otherwise you just whiff on their abilities. I don't think it will be any worse then previous "Superfriends" type decks that run multiple PW mix.
Yeah but there's only a certain amount of slots you can give up for domri, xena, garruck mix otherwise you just whiff on their abilities. I don't think it will be any worse then previous "Superfriends" type decks that run multiple PW mix.
Actually would probably be weaker, seeing as these are all (likely) to be creature based walkers so you couldn't run too many off them either you'd never see 'em or they'd whiff. Verses a heavy control set of walkers where winning off them is the plan.
But with ajani as g/w its possible a bant superfriends list could show up, elspeth, and jace could easily fit into a midrangey build.
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-7 Put any number of Leviathans, Octopi or Krakens from your hand onto the battlefield.
I can't believe anyone is excited about this card. It is absolutely unplayable. I wouldn't even play her in LIMITED. Easily the worst walker printed since the green elf one. Absolutely terrible.
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This is not going to happen. Indefinitely time-walking them, starting on turn 4, while adding loyalty counters? Too strong.
None of the Kiora Atua iterations seemed realistic for its cost and abilities. Even from the other threads. However, that means when the real slim shady turns up, it's gonna surpass the current level of expectation, which is kinda deplorable now judging from the "Kiora" attempts...
I think her ult would be more along the lines of 'search library for a creature with CMC X or less and put in to play', where X is either something like devotion, or the counters removed from her.
He said three. Neither of your examples fit the bill. Scars block had two and Garruk from DKA wasn't black in any way besides flavorfully. Mono-black couldn't play him without a splash, mono-green could without a splash. He was mono-green.
My point more then anything was that Wizards can include any number of planeswalkers with whatever colors they need to be in a set and that there hasn't been a good balance since the first five were printed. Yes standard does have to be a factor as all these walkers will be there together but as it has been pointed out we have some fairly creature heavy PW's so running all of them together would probably be a really bad idea.
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uhhh...
Vraska still takes the damage. This would not. It just gets to sit and level until it ultimates, should it choose to - and most PW ultimates are pretty game winning.
Wouldn't the merfolk you are referring to be True Name Nemesis? Or did they specifically say that it was from Theros?
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He said three. Neither of your examples fit the bill. Scars block had two and Garruk from DKA wasn't black in any way besides flavorfully. Mono-black couldn't play him without a splash, mono-green could without a splash. He was mono-green.
How about Shards block with Ajani Vengeant, Sarkhan Vol and Nicol Bolas?
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Good flavor, but with scry in the set this ultimate would be really, really bad. For her abilities to be tied they should be exiled and later returned or turned into a creature type she later takes control over.
That's a better example. I never said they couldn't do it, I was simply pointing out the flaw in the other guy's examples. Although even this isn't a perfect comparison, as Theros would be three half green walkers while Alara was two half red walkers and a 1/3 red walker (even then, sort of 1/4 as he was half black). Not to mention that Ajani Vengeant, Sarkhan Vol and Nicol Bolas didn't work well together at all. Xenagos would almost certainly work well with any Ajani variant and would probably work well with the suggestions I've seen for this one.
The real question, assuming she's UG and is good and Ajani is WG and solid, is has any color ever had access to that many good walkers at once in standard? You'd have Domri, Garruk, Xenagos, her and Ajani. That seems a bit crazy to me, especially since you wouldn't even need to play five colors to get them all (just GRuw).
I think the damage is already done with how many excellent 'walkers that Green has access to (Domri, Garruk, and Xenagos), the real nail in the coffin being the release of Xenagos when Domri was released two sets earlier.
The problem could be easily alleviated by making Kiora and Ajani (assuming they are each green in some form) not have too great of synergy with the existing green walkers. I don't know about Ajani, but Kiora's ultimate could fetch leviathans, krakens, octopi, etc specifically, instead of fatties in general.
fine BR agro with dreadbore and hero's downfall can deal with they.
You have a good point.
My line of thinking was that Kiora not taking damage balanced out the creatures being bounced vs. destroyed,
and that aggro could just burn her to death,
but it's probably still too good as-is.
It could probably work as a 0 ability, though, as that wouldn't build her up.
On another note, let me reiterate how much I *don't* want her Ultimate to specify creature types.
That means it will only be as good as the Krakens, etc. of any given format,
and it requires you to play with cards you might not otherwise.
Creatures with CMC 6+ is fine.
While it's a bit weird, flavor wise,
I doubt Kiora would have any qualms about unleashing a Worldspine Wurm on her foes.
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Yeah but there's only a certain amount of slots you can give up for domri, xena, garruck mix otherwise you just whiff on their abilities. I don't think it will be any worse then previous "Superfriends" type decks that run multiple PW mix.
Actually would probably be weaker, seeing as these are all (likely) to be creature based walkers so you couldn't run too many off them either you'd never see 'em or they'd whiff. Verses a heavy control set of walkers where winning off them is the plan.
But with ajani as g/w its possible a bant superfriends list could show up, elspeth, and jace could easily fit into a midrangey build.
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This is not going to happen. Indefinitely time-walking them, starting on turn 4, while adding loyalty counters? Too strong.
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My point more then anything was that Wizards can include any number of planeswalkers with whatever colors they need to be in a set and that there hasn't been a good balance since the first five were printed. Yes standard does have to be a factor as all these walkers will be there together but as it has been pointed out we have some fairly creature heavy PW's so running all of them together would probably be a really bad idea.
If you think Garruk, the veil-cursed isn't a black card then you might want to check out Pact of Negation, Evermind, or Kobolds of Kher Keep.
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