CMC 2 is good - at least someone will be happy. Wish best luck for Nath players and, apparently, legacy pox.
As for late topdeck, it will be BFF with Sensei's Top which is fortunate for it - but, of course, as 2 drop, this thing is sworn enemies with Hymn. Heh, waste not liliana's caress.
I killed multiple EDH decks yesterday with Sire of Insanity + Megrim + Liliana's Caress all cast in one turn. I'm not talking about very casual decks either, even though that's still a perfectly valid way to play and evaluate cards. It was Riku, Rafiq, and Obzedat, with fetch-dual mana bases and all.
The reason I had all those cards i hand was because I drew 24 cards off of Geth's Grimoire + Wheel.
This card is going to be very good in EDH. Wheels are very good. Anything that can generate a ton of value with a single Wheel is perfectly playable in that type of deck.
I can see this being good in a format where they reprint cards like FOW. If people are pitching cards for profit, this can be a good counter to them. A card like this just might give WOTC the opportunity to print FOW in standard and have it fair. Granted FOW will counter this often, but at least you still get rid of it for your other spells to win you the game.
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I remember when I was casually building a bloodchief ascension deck when it came around. I tweaked it, included tutors, discard effects, but it was not enough and I eventually traded off the cards. Now, this card honestly does remind of it. I dont know...maybe decks that utilize heavy discard / windmill effects will find this handy, but I would not fall into the same trap again
Comparing this card to Liliana's Caress is rediculous. You think combo decks are killing them faster by making them discard? That is not a combo decks plan in most cases. This provides card advantage for sure, in the view point of Pox, which can now be more consistent, as well as decks such as Jund and Shardless BUG, with cards like thoughtseize, Intuition of Kozilek, and Hymn to Turoch, it's an engine.
Am I saying this is a format changer or an overpowered card? No, I'm just saying that it's not really that bad, nor that it should be compared to something in such a poor manner.
This card is going to be very good in EDH. Wheels are very good. Anything that can generate a ton of value with a single Wheel is perfectly playable in that type of deck.
This. Between the mana generation and the card draw this is just a monster alongside Wheel effects in EDH, probably resulting in a lot of kills that go like this:
- Waste Not
- Wheel - Dump Caress/Megrim/Underworld Dreams/etc onto board with Waste Not mana/cards - the Wheel again - wash rinse repeat.
Well if they print this in an upcoming set (within Theros or M15), it could get interesting...
Sin Collector
Lifebane Zombie
Duress
Thoughtseize
Those are all playable cards all ready. It's probably not enough to make it playable, but backed up with a more controllish (probably BW) deck it could do some work for nothing other than the card draw anyways giving you a ton of value (I'll 3 for 1 you with LBZ, or 2 for 1 with Thoughtseize).
Well if they print this in an upcoming set (within Theros or M15), it could get interesting...
Sin Collector
Lifebane Zombie
Duress
Thoughtseize
Those are all playable cards all ready. It's probably not enough to make it playable, but backed up with a more controllish (probably BW) deck it could do some work for nothing other than the card draw anyways giving you a ton of value (I'll 3 for 1 you with LBZ, or 2 for 1 with Thoughtseize).
Lifebane and Sin Collector do not make you discard...
I can see this being good in a format where they reprint cards like FOW. If people are pitching cards for profit, this can be a good counter to them. A card like this just might give WOTC the opportunity to print FOW in standard and have it fair. Granted FOW will counter this often, but at least you still get rid of it for your other spells to win you the game.
Force of Will
Instant, 3UU
You may pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay Force of Will's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
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Waste Not
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent discards, do stuff.
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I can see this being good in a format where they reprint cards like FOW. If people are pitching cards for profit, this can be a good counter to them. A card like this just might give WOTC the opportunity to print FOW in standard and have it fair. Granted FOW will counter this often, but at least you still get rid of it for your other spells to win you the game.
No way. Making a FoW that discards instead of Exiles is just broken in every format. It opens up reanimator, Flashback, and is completely free in Legacy and Vintage.
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This thing is going straight into my legacy Pox deck. At that mana cost it can provide repeatable card advantage and the effect appears to stack with multiple ones out.
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Into my sig this goes!
Seriously, hopefully this will go straight into M15 and it and Rakdos's Return can have a party. It makes 8 Rack a little better in Modern, but it's real aspirations are in Legacy. PLEASE MAKE THIS BE AWESOME IN POX.
Well, it's an ok card. I'd rather have had Eldrich Rites or Blood in the Watering Can, but we might see them someday, anyway. Double strike and Spectral Searchlight are YMTC ideas that didn't win.
Now all we need is a decent discard spell in standard. but what is the likelihood of that happening?
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I look forward to the stories I will hear.
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I can see this being good in a format where they reprint cards like FOW. If people are pitching cards for profit, this can be a good counter to them. A card like this just might give WOTC the opportunity to print FOW in standard and have it fair. Granted FOW will counter this often, but at least you still get rid of it for your other spells to win you the game.
FoW doesn't discard, but Cycling does. Waste Not COULD be SB-playable if the available sets offer enough decent discard and cycling, I guess.
Okay, at a cost of 1B, I'm fine with this card. More than fine, in fact - I'll be wanting a playset of these (or maybe just three) when it's printed to make a casual discard deck around it, so that all of my friends will hate me even more than they already do. Ah, the joys of being a casual griefer...
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Plays nicely with a lot of things in legacy but with how tight the decks it fits in are I don't know if it'll make its way in. In Modern 8Rack may want to play but I wonder if there's an archetype yet to come featuring cards like Underworld Dreams and/or Reforge the Soul/Wheel of Fate.
So I just got Chains of Mephistopheles Friday for my Nath EDH deck. I am so happy I am crying...as are my friends.
I dont think Waste Not is a broken and godly card. There aren't any infinite or instant kill combos with it (unless your opponent had a 20+ hand size) and because it is too dependent on your opponent's hand limits your ability to abuse it at will.'
But it is still a very strong utility and combo card.
I hope all the people that thought this would be unplayable now realize they were wrong. Somehow I doubt it. I had to put up listening to people talk trash about this card for months while I defended it and now that it's finished it is exactly the right power level, and playable too. I feel like all the people that defended this card need a collective apology from the people constantly complaining, "Wizards doesn't know how to make cards!", "This is such a waste!", "I hate Wizards!", etc. I wish we could just agree this is a good card, but I'm sure people have just reinforced their own beliefs based off emotions by now.
The Rack / Shrieking Affliction are so much better than this and are rarely bad topdecks in their right deck. Waste Not is much slower and wraps your early game plan - you have to drop it early to get value from it and bombing opponent's hand with discard on turn 3 can be too slow vs the fastest aggro decks. It could still prove useful versus slower decks, even more if they do some draw-discard action themselves, but that's extremely niche.
I hope all the people that thought this would be unplayable now realize they were wrong. Somehow I doubt it. I had to put up listening to people talk trash about this card for months while I defended it and now that it's finished it is exactly the right power level, and playable too. I feel like all the people that defended this card need a collective apology from the people constantly complaining, "Wizards doesn't know how to make cards!", "This is such a waste!", "I hate Wizards!", etc. I wish we could just agree this is a good card, but I'm sure people have just reinforced their own beliefs based off emotions by now.
I think we're working off of different definitions of 'playable'. If you mean that a card can be played in the game, then One with Nothing is 'playable', Squire is 'playable', and Sorrow's Path is 'playable'--and so is this Waste. If you mean 'useful', 'powerful', or 'will be popular in formats it's legal in', then I think you're mistaken. This card piggybacks on one of the weaker effects in the game--discard--and then doesn't provide an finisher, but an engine instead. It will be printed, and I'm sure you'll run it, but it won't be run in decks that do well, or by people who aren't running it to try to prove they were right.
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As for late topdeck, it will be BFF with Sensei's Top which is fortunate for it - but, of course, as 2 drop, this thing is sworn enemies with Hymn. Heh, waste not liliana's caress.
The reason I had all those cards i hand was because I drew 24 cards off of Geth's Grimoire + Wheel.
This card is going to be very good in EDH. Wheels are very good. Anything that can generate a ton of value with a single Wheel is perfectly playable in that type of deck.
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U Arcanis
B Geth
R Norin
G Yeva
UW Hanna
RB Olivia
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UR Melek
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BRU Nicol Bolas
RGB Prossh
BGW Ghave
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WUBRG Sliver Overlord
GWU Treva, the Renewer
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Trades
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Am I saying this is a format changer or an overpowered card? No, I'm just saying that it's not really that bad, nor that it should be compared to something in such a poor manner.
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This. Between the mana generation and the card draw this is just a monster alongside Wheel effects in EDH, probably resulting in a lot of kills that go like this:
- Waste Not
- Wheel - Dump Caress/Megrim/Underworld Dreams/etc onto board with Waste Not mana/cards - the Wheel again - wash rinse repeat.
Sin Collector
Lifebane Zombie
Duress
Thoughtseize
Those are all playable cards all ready. It's probably not enough to make it playable, but backed up with a more controllish (probably BW) deck it could do some work for nothing other than the card draw anyways giving you a ton of value (I'll 3 for 1 you with LBZ, or 2 for 1 with Thoughtseize).
Lifebane and Sin Collector do not make you discard...
I like Turtles
Force of Will
Instant, 3UU
You may pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay Force of Will's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
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Waste Not
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent discards, do stuff.
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Strategic advice: You can increase your win percentage by reading the cards.
No way. Making a FoW that discards instead of Exiles is just broken in every format. It opens up reanimator, Flashback, and is completely free in Legacy and Vintage.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Heh, barely ten posts in and there was already a Legacy Pox post before the 'in before'. Classic.
I just hope that discard isn't oversaturated in whatever set this card comes out in specifically to push this latest YMTC.
Into my sig this goes!
Seriously, hopefully this will go straight into M15 and it and Rakdos's Return can have a party. It makes 8 Rack a little better in Modern, but it's real aspirations are in Legacy. PLEASE MAKE THIS BE AWESOME IN POX.
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I get to watch great leaders, terrible oppressors, and trend setters rise and fall.
Limited, Standard, Modern, everything is a different playing field I feel I can observe, but will not actually touch.
I look forward to the stories I will hear.
And more so to the ones I will watch unfold first hand.
Isn't the unknown exciting?
43/111, approximately 39% complete. Over a third done.
(calling it now; there will be a cycle of Legendary dual lands with Basic Land types in Theros block)
... AAAAAAAAND I was wrong
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:2mana::symr: - Each player discards his or her hand and draws 4 cards. A Chandra mini-wheel could definitely see print..
I dont think Waste Not is a broken and godly card. There aren't any infinite or instant kill combos with it (unless your opponent had a 20+ hand size) and because it is too dependent on your opponent's hand limits your ability to abuse it at will.'
But it is still a very strong utility and combo card.
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Nath of the Gilt LeafBG
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Squee, Goblin of AwesomenessR
Nekusar, the Mindblazer!UBR
Vela the NightcladUB
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It would be nice however if they printed this together with some more discard support in standard, as black is currently lacking a bit but has some quality tools in Thoughtseize, Duress, Lifebane Zombie, Shrieking Affliction, perhaps Rakdos's Return splash.
I think we're working off of different definitions of 'playable'. If you mean that a card can be played in the game, then One with Nothing is 'playable', Squire is 'playable', and Sorrow's Path is 'playable'--and so is this Waste. If you mean 'useful', 'powerful', or 'will be popular in formats it's legal in', then I think you're mistaken. This card piggybacks on one of the weaker effects in the game--discard--and then doesn't provide an finisher, but an engine instead. It will be printed, and I'm sure you'll run it, but it won't be run in decks that do well, or by people who aren't running it to try to prove they were right.