1 premium foil card (any rarity, including the extremely rare premium foil Power Nine card), OR 1 Power Nine card
Looking at the pictures the power nine look like they're mythic rarity. I read this as the foil in each pack can be either a random foil card, a foil power nine, or a regular power nine card. This could mean power nine cards are pretty common depending on what the chances are for them to be in the foil slot. Or it could mean they aren't super common but they don't want them to be quite mythic rare.
We'll have to wait and see, but if the power nine are mythic that likely means they take up most of the sets mythic spots.
We'll have to wait and see, but if the power nine are mythic that likely means they take up most of the sets mythic spots.
I agree that the wording is terrible and opens for interpretation (that' why I wrote "If I'm understanding this correctly"), but this ^ is the main reason why I'm pretty sure that they're not in the regular slot. If it's 15 rare slots and 9 we're taken up by P9, I don't know... it would just be too weird.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
If it's 15 rare slots and 9 we're taken up by P9, I don't know... it would just be too weird.
What else are they going to put there? It's not like they haven't already had plenty of chances to print tasty legacy rares. This is the set specifically for the legacy-banned cards that are needed to make vintage work.
The wording isn't ambiguous at all. Take Modern Masters, which had a foil in every pack. Then replace some of those foils (at what ratio, we don't know) with P9 cards and foil P9 cards. They're quite obviously not in the rare slot and even if any given P9 or foil P9 is as likely as any other foil, they're going to be far more rare than mythics. It couldn't be more clear.
Why, is all I ask. Kinda strikes me as WoTC being money hungry. Players will be mass buying these packs, trying to get a Black Lotus. More packs bought= MORE $$$
Let's not forget that these cards are restricted, as opposed to FoW which is played as 4x. That will slash demand down to 25%, which, factoring in their special rarity, will probably draw their prices down from "ridiculously expensive" to just "very expensive".
Edit: Then again, the moxen will probably replace lands in every possible deck, so...
Online only. Lame. I wish Wizards would just abolish the no re-print policy. Short term card values would take a slight dip in price, but long term the price would only continue to increase.
Extremely rare and powerful cards in great condition will always be in demand and command premium prices. I've collected comic books for 40 years and Amazing Fantasy 15 (1st appearance of Spider-man) and Fantastic Four 1 have been reprinted easily over 20 times, but that has never caused the price to go down on the originals. In fact, the price has only gone up. The reprints increase awareness, fuel nostalgia and actually create increased demand for the originals.
The same thing would happen to old Magic cards. If more people had access to Vintage cards you would see more people playing Vintage. More people playing Vintage equals increased demand. Increased demand equals higher prices.
My only requirement would be what Wizards has already done. Commission new art for the reprints. That way the originals remain unique collectibles.
Welcome to a concept known as "oversimplification". Businesses "earn" money by creating "value" which the consumer then pays for. When a Business tries to make more money by taking value from the consumer/community this is a bad thing, see monopolies, faulty products, pollution, currution, the banking collapse ect.... You know there are some communities out there that actually call the companies on their behavior and stop them from devaluing their products. The magic community on the otherhand seems to like to lie there, take it, and justify it with rhetoric that sounds like it’s from fox news.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I wish Wizards would just abolish the no re-print policy. Short term card values would take a slight dip in price, but long term the price would only continue to increase.
Extremely rare and powerful cards in great condition will always be in demand and command premium prices. I've collected comic books for 40 years and Amazing Fantasy 15 (1st appearance of Spider-man) and Fantastic Four 1 have been reprinted easily over 20 times, but that has never caused the price to go down on the originals. In fact, the price has only gone up. The reprints increase awareness, fuel nostalgia and actually create increased demand for the originals.
The same thing would happen to old Magic cards. If more people had access to Vintage cards you would see more people playing Vintage. More people playing Vintage equals increased demand. Increased demand equals higher prices.
That would be true if cards were primarily collector's items. They're not. When a card is reprinted, it always decreases the value of the original because a good portion of people want the card to play with, and don't care too much about the edition. If a card isn't reprinted, those people will have to buy the rare originals, but if it is reprinted, those people will buy whatever's cheapest, which decreases demand for the originals, which again makes their value sink. If you don't believe me, I urge you to check almost any reprinted card for reference (barring chase cards in Modern Masters because it had such a limited print run that the increased supply was mitigated by the demand caused by the increased interest in the modern format).
That being said, I too think that WotC would abolish the no reprint policy. It should not be a priority of theirs to cater for investors and collectors.
Is the full card list out yet? If not when would it be out?
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Example: The player who's being controlled still chooses whether he or she leaves to visit the restroom, trades a card to someone else, agrees to an intentional draw, or calls a judge about an error or infraction.
Seeing how the set will be released in June of 2014, in many, many months.
I imagine it will be before June, as the Beta for the set will spoil the whole set. And if they have a release week (Maybe, crosses fingers) then it would be a week even before that.
That would be true if cards were primarily collector's items. They're not. When a card is reprinted, it always decreases the value of the original because a good portion of people want the card to play with, and don't care too much about the edition. If a card isn't reprinted, those people will have to buy the rare originals, but if it is reprinted, those people will buy whatever's cheapest, which decreases demand for the originals, which again makes their value sink. If you don't believe me, I urge you to check almost any reprinted card for reference (barring chase cards in Modern Masters because it had such a limited print run that the increased supply was mitigated by the demand caused by the increased interest in the modern format).
That being said, I too think that WotC would abolish the no reprint policy. It should not be a priority of theirs to cater for investors and collectors.
It affects it, but not as much as you'd think. Look at Birds of Paradise. It has been reprinted 13 times (there are an absurd number in circulation) and yet a mint condition alpha still costs $500 (last I checked) compared to $5 or less for an M12 version. Even just look at the RTR and GTC land reprints. It costs that much entirely because it's a collector's item. Also, unless I'm misreading things, the shocklands didn't have their price deteriorate much at all after their reprintings (and the new versions cost half as much). If they didn't decrease entirely because demand has increased along with supply, both versions would cost similar amounts. They don't.
Heck, even look at the Moxen. No one sane (and insane people are irrelevant in discussions of economics) would buy alpha versions only to play with them. Their alpha value is entirely as a collector's item.
Here's the facts if WotC printed new BB paper Moxen.
Mint and NM+ Alpha and Beta would go up in value. Everything else, esp white border unlimited cards would tank because those are the cards people actually play with.
Modern Masters cards were an example of a correct reprint policy. They matched the demand with the supply to keep the prices (and price drops) about right. To do this for vintage they would have to reduce the new supply to less than judge foils.
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Out of the blackness and stench of the engulfing swamp emerged a shimmering figure. Only the splattered armor and ichor-stained sword hinted at the unfathomable evil the knight had just laid waste.
DOes anyone know who the girl is in the art of time walk? I mean the other arts have basically the same art just touched up, however time walk's is completely new. Is she special in any way? She is holding a nice curved sabre which was a symbol for a magic set wasn't it?
The skeleton from the original time walk time walked back to the past to become the girl.
712.5b The controller of another player can't make choices or decisions for that player that aren't called for by the rules or by any objects. The controller also can't make any choices or decisions for the player that would be called for by the tournament rules.
Example: The player who's being controlled still chooses whether he or she leaves to visit the restroom, trades a card to someone else, agrees to an intentional draw, or calls a judge about an error or infraction.
Online only. Lame. I wish Wizards would just abolish the no re-print policy. Short term card values would take a slight dip in price, but long term the price would only continue to increase.
That would be true if cards were primarily collector's items. They're not. When a card is reprinted, it always decreases the value of the original because a good portion of people want the card to play with, and don't care too much about the edition. If a card isn't reprinted, those people will have to buy the rare originals, but if it is reprinted, those people will buy whatever's cheapest, which decreases demand for the originals, which again makes their value sink.
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That being said, I too think that WotC would abolish the no reprint policy. It should not be a priority of theirs to cater for investors and collectors.
I feel that the obvious solution is to amend the Reserve List to apply only to the Collector's Edition. After all, that is the only MTG product that was ever sold primarily on the basis of its collectibility, so it seems reasonable that it should have its collectibility preserved by Wizards.
The other MTG products were all sold as games that happened to, incidentally, be collectible (and those of you who have been playing from the start may recall that it was originally billed as a trading card game, or tcg, and that the term "collectible card game" arose later...). It likewise makes sense that Wizards would preserve their playability by ensuring that owners of the Power 9 can find other owners to play against them with. How much play value does the 1996 World Champion have, after all?
I am certain that people who have a solely monetary interest in MTG would begin excreting solid gold bricks if such a policy change were enacted. They might even attempt to file a laughable lawsuit against WotC. In fact, I believe amending the Reserve List would be worthwhile solely for the amusement provided by the spectacle of said lawsuit's failure.
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Looking at the pictures the power nine look like they're mythic rarity. I read this as the foil in each pack can be either a random foil card, a foil power nine, or a regular power nine card. This could mean power nine cards are pretty common depending on what the chances are for them to be in the foil slot. Or it could mean they aren't super common but they don't want them to be quite mythic rare.
We'll have to wait and see, but if the power nine are mythic that likely means they take up most of the sets mythic spots.
Jeezus.
Only on MTGO though...
Goddammit.
I agree that the wording is terrible and opens for interpretation (that' why I wrote "If I'm understanding this correctly"), but this ^ is the main reason why I'm pretty sure that they're not in the regular slot. If it's 15 rare slots and 9 we're taken up by P9, I don't know... it would just be too weird.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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What else are they going to put there? It's not like they haven't already had plenty of chances to print tasty legacy rares. This is the set specifically for the legacy-banned cards that are needed to make vintage work.
Initially I thought that they would be released as real cards and thought "Imma grab me some mox opals"...
then I realized it was on MTGO, which I don't even play.
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Edit: Then again, the moxen will probably replace lands in every possible deck, so...
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
Extremely rare and powerful cards in great condition will always be in demand and command premium prices. I've collected comic books for 40 years and Amazing Fantasy 15 (1st appearance of Spider-man) and Fantastic Four 1 have been reprinted easily over 20 times, but that has never caused the price to go down on the originals. In fact, the price has only gone up. The reprints increase awareness, fuel nostalgia and actually create increased demand for the originals.
The same thing would happen to old Magic cards. If more people had access to Vintage cards you would see more people playing Vintage. More people playing Vintage equals increased demand. Increased demand equals higher prices.
My only requirement would be what Wizards has already done. Commission new art for the reprints. That way the originals remain unique collectibles.
Welcome to a concept known as "oversimplification".
Businesses "earn" money by creating "value" which the consumer then pays for. When a Business tries to make more money by taking value from the consumer/community this is a bad thing, see monopolies, faulty products, pollution, currution, the banking collapse ect....
You know there are some communities out there that actually call the companies on their behavior and stop them from devaluing their products. The magic community on the otherhand seems to like to lie there, take it, and justify it with rhetoric that sounds like it’s from fox news.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
That would be true if cards were primarily collector's items. They're not. When a card is reprinted, it always decreases the value of the original because a good portion of people want the card to play with, and don't care too much about the edition. If a card isn't reprinted, those people will have to buy the rare originals, but if it is reprinted, those people will buy whatever's cheapest, which decreases demand for the originals, which again makes their value sink. If you don't believe me, I urge you to check almost any reprinted card for reference (barring chase cards in Modern Masters because it had such a limited print run that the increased supply was mitigated by the demand caused by the increased interest in the modern format).
That being said, I too think that WotC would abolish the no reprint policy. It should not be a priority of theirs to cater for investors and collectors.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
Example: The player who's being controlled still chooses whether he or she leaves to visit the restroom, trades a card to someone else, agrees to an intentional draw, or calls a judge about an error or infraction.
How about this?
Seeing how the set will be released in June of 2014, in many, many months.
I imagine it will be before June, as the Beta for the set will spoil the whole set. And if they have a release week (Maybe, crosses fingers) then it would be a week even before that.
So probably sometime in May
It affects it, but not as much as you'd think. Look at Birds of Paradise. It has been reprinted 13 times (there are an absurd number in circulation) and yet a mint condition alpha still costs $500 (last I checked) compared to $5 or less for an M12 version. Even just look at the RTR and GTC land reprints. It costs that much entirely because it's a collector's item. Also, unless I'm misreading things, the shocklands didn't have their price deteriorate much at all after their reprintings (and the new versions cost half as much). If they didn't decrease entirely because demand has increased along with supply, both versions would cost similar amounts. They don't.
Heck, even look at the Moxen. No one sane (and insane people are irrelevant in discussions of economics) would buy alpha versions only to play with them. Their alpha value is entirely as a collector's item.
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Mint and NM+ Alpha and Beta would go up in value. Everything else, esp white border unlimited cards would tank because those are the cards people actually play with.
Modern Masters cards were an example of a correct reprint policy. They matched the demand with the supply to keep the prices (and price drops) about right. To do this for vintage they would have to reduce the new supply to less than judge foils.
The skeleton from the original time walk time walked back to the past to become the girl.
The set with the sabre was Arabian Nights
Example: The player who's being controlled still chooses whether he or she leaves to visit the restroom, trades a card to someone else, agrees to an intentional draw, or calls a judge about an error or infraction.
How about this?
I feel that the obvious solution is to amend the Reserve List to apply only to the Collector's Edition. After all, that is the only MTG product that was ever sold primarily on the basis of its collectibility, so it seems reasonable that it should have its collectibility preserved by Wizards.
The other MTG products were all sold as games that happened to, incidentally, be collectible (and those of you who have been playing from the start may recall that it was originally billed as a trading card game, or tcg, and that the term "collectible card game" arose later...). It likewise makes sense that Wizards would preserve their playability by ensuring that owners of the Power 9 can find other owners to play against them with. How much play value does the 1996 World Champion have, after all?
I am certain that people who have a solely monetary interest in MTG would begin excreting solid gold bricks if such a policy change were enacted. They might even attempt to file a laughable lawsuit against WotC. In fact, I believe amending the Reserve List would be worthwhile solely for the amusement provided by the spectacle of said lawsuit's failure.