The fact that you can remove counters from him and place them back on him is indeed interesting with Doubling Season. Not my color combination preference, but neat none the less.
It's also a casual format. Therefore there will be a lot of players who don't know about the errata.
I'm as casual as it gets and I know about it. I really think this is turning into a sky is falling type of discussion. The are lots of cards and rules players don't understand, why is this one in particular bugging you?
As I said, casual...but I read this site and others every day. I read way more then I play
Would Marath come into play with 5 +1/+1 counters, if you played him from the graveyard with Horde of Notions? Marath says "the amount of mana spent to cast it" so would Horde's WUBRG ability count as mana spent to cast it?
Would Marath come into play with 5 +1/+1 counters, if you played him from the graveyard with Horde of Notions? Marath says "the amount of mana spent to cast it" so would Horde's WUBRG ability count as mana spent to cast it?
That is an activated ability - not casting. So he would be a 0/0.
i think its pretty ****ing poor that they have to errata the card upon release. seriously, how did they not catch that ****-up before it was already in print?
I'm as casual as it gets and I know about it. I really think this is turning into a sky is falling type of discussion. The are lots of cards and rules players don't understand, why is this one in particular bugging you?
As I said, casual...but I read this site and others every day. I read way more then I play
Well, I would hope you know about it since you're posting on this thread...
This card is a bit different because if players see a confusing card or a card with old wording they'll likely look it up. But the guy who sees this deck at wal-mart and buys it isn't going to expect to have to look up errata on a brand new card with seemingly straight forward wording.
Well, I would hope you know about it since you're posting on this thread...
This card is a bit different because if players see a confusing card or a card with old wording they'll likely look it up. But the guy who sees this deck at wal-mart and buys it isn't going to expect to have to look up errata on a brand new card with seemingly straight forward wording.
That's sorta my point.
I wonder how clever with rules will this guy be and how many other rules will said person have trouble with. Good thing is, people can check the oracle text at gatherer.
I wonder how clever with rules will this guy be and how many other rules will said person have trouble with. Good thing is, people can check the oracle text at gatherer.
You can be perfectly competent with the rules and still miss the errata on this card.
I think I am one of the few disappointed in this card, but not in the card itself. Naya is what Naya does...Im more disappointed in how they drop the ball and even before the card comes out they are Errata this. Should of noticed that before printing. you know there are going to be some players out there who will "forget" that part and abuse those who don't know about it or don't keep up in commander as they do with standard.
This is what I am annoyed about too. First off, the card does not become automatically "broken" with x=0 as a possibility (it just opens up some fun combo potential); someone made the decision though that it was worth it to errata a newly printed card, which is just bad and reflects poorly on Wizards. That will be what this card is about now... (even if there is more that it is about)
This is what I am annoyed about too. First off, the card does not become automatically "broken" with x=0 as a possibility (it just opens up some fun combo potential); someone made the decision though that it was worth it to errata a newly printed card, which is just bad and reflects poorly on Wizards. That will be what this card is about now... (even if there is more that it is about)
X=0 can get crazy stupid, really fast. Perpetually 0/0 Tokens for no reason at all but to feed another card's reaction to dropping a creature? Yeah, let's do that!
And would you rather they halt production, gut and repackage every one of Marath's decks with a new card, waste a ton of resources fixing this, and pass the excess cost on to YOU, the customer!? I think that'd work out great, let's all do that, pay more when they could simply tell us they screwed up and here's what the card should say.
This is what I am annoyed about too. First off, the card does not become automatically "broken" with x=0 as a possibility (it just opens up some fun combo potential); someone made the decision though that it was worth it to errata a newly printed card, which is just bad and reflects poorly on Wizards. That will be what this card is about now... (even if there is more that it is about)
hah no. imagine crap like aura shards (which will already be powerful with him) if you could make 0/0 creatures at no cost.
Would Marath come into play with 5 +1/+1 counters, if you played him from the graveyard with Horde of Notions? Marath says "the amount of mana spent to cast it" so would Horde's WUBRG ability count as mana spent to cast it?
Notice how Horde's ability says "without paying it's mana cost?" You never spent any mana to cast it, so it would be a 0/0 as it entered the battlefield.
When a card says "Equal to the mana you spend to cast it" Does that mean that if a card cost 3 CMC its X or can you tap more mana just to get X higher?
Before you start dreaming of your Commander decks of tomorrow, we do have to note that Marath will be receiving errata upon release. The text "X can't be 0" was inadvertantly [sic] left off the card.
Wow. There goes Wizards' cautious revision process that they say they have for every card. Skipping such an important clause says a lot about the guy(s) that check the cards before printing, and this isn't even your typical janky common. It's a damn commander, and the face one. I can't help it but wonder if the future future league and the bans on cards are managed like this.
Wow. There goes Wizards' cautious revision process that they say they have for every card. Skipping such an important clause says a lot about the guy(s) that check the cards before printing, and this isn't even your typical janky common. It's a damn commander, and the face one. I can't help it but wonder if the future future league and the bans on cards are managed like this.
I'm not too concerned. I used to play the Naruto CCG before it died, and in that game, a set wasn't truly released till they errataed at least 13 cards. This is nothing, and they caught it right away.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
It's also a casual format. Therefore there will be a lot of players who don't know about the errata.
If they are so casual I doubt they'll know about the possibility to spit out 0/0 tokens and make them survive with anthem-effects. I wouldn't be worried that people intentionally would misuse this without the knowledge that they were doing something wrong.
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I'm as casual as it gets and I know about it. I really think this is turning into a sky is falling type of discussion. The are lots of cards and rules players don't understand, why is this one in particular bugging you?
As I said, casual...but I read this site and others every day. I read way more then I play
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That is an activated ability - not casting. So he would be a 0/0.
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Well, I would hope you know about it since you're posting on this thread...
This card is a bit different because if players see a confusing card or a card with old wording they'll likely look it up. But the guy who sees this deck at wal-mart and buys it isn't going to expect to have to look up errata on a brand new card with seemingly straight forward wording.
That's sorta my point.
I wonder how clever with rules will this guy be and how many other rules will said person have trouble with. Good thing is, people can check the oracle text at gatherer.
EDIT: Wait, need a way to turn Gyre Sage's green mana into other colors for that to work as an endless loop.
Or just doubling season and mana echoes.
Or Ivy Lane Denizen and Mana Echoes.
He's about as combolicious as Ghave. Having access to mana echoes is kinda big.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
You can be perfectly competent with the rules and still miss the errata on this card.
They found a mistake and they fixed it.
Do you never make a mistake?
As a Warhammer 40k-player I am jealous of this fixing.
We have to wait 6 months to get something fixed and our models are more expensive than a card.
By visiting this site you are already not casual
This is what I am annoyed about too. First off, the card does not become automatically "broken" with x=0 as a possibility (it just opens up some fun combo potential); someone made the decision though that it was worth it to errata a newly printed card, which is just bad and reflects poorly on Wizards. That will be what this card is about now... (even if there is more that it is about)
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X=0 can get crazy stupid, really fast. Perpetually 0/0 Tokens for no reason at all but to feed another card's reaction to dropping a creature? Yeah, let's do that!
And would you rather they halt production, gut and repackage every one of Marath's decks with a new card, waste a ton of resources fixing this, and pass the excess cost on to YOU, the customer!? I think that'd work out great, let's all do that, pay more when they could simply tell us they screwed up and here's what the card should say.
hah no. imagine crap like aura shards (which will already be powerful with him) if you could make 0/0 creatures at no cost.
or if you somehow get a blood artist or falkenwrath noble with him.
Or a glorious anthem-effect and you suddenly have infinite creatures at no cost. Throw in Trostani, Selesnya's Voice for infinite life or warstorm surge for infinite damage.
No, this needs the errata badly
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Wizards have had a pretty good run; it's regrettable but hardly a disaster.
Walking Atlas needed day 0 errata (albeit for a more obvious typo than either the crab or the stag).
It's a flavor text problem only, but we recently had Wit's End from Magic 2013; see http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=428416.
Flavor text doesn't get errata'd, though.
That said, I think the real lesson here is that WotC needs to be extra careful about proofreading any card that starts with a W.
Notice how Horde's ability says "without paying it's mana cost?" You never spent any mana to cast it, so it would be a 0/0 as it entered the battlefield.
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Wow. There goes Wizards' cautious revision process that they say they have for every card. Skipping such an important clause says a lot about the guy(s) that check the cards before printing, and this isn't even your typical janky common. It's a damn commander, and the face one. I can't help it but wonder if the future future league and the bans on cards are managed like this.
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I'm not too concerned. I used to play the Naruto CCG before it died, and in that game, a set wasn't truly released till they errataed at least 13 cards. This is nothing, and they caught it right away.
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