Wow!! That's new. So, this guy is a Merfolk, is cheap, has good power, unblockable and extremely hard to kill. I wonder if this guy might actually see Legacy play? I hear Merfolk is a big deck there.
Doubtful, merfolks are already virtually unblockable with islandwalk.
Uh, yes. Not to mention this guy is better than every white protection card ever printed, as should be obvious when looking at formats where you have all of them at your disposal- at least Craterhoof doesn't make all red haste cards look like jokes. This is laughable and makes a mockery of color pie balance. It's like printing the best counterspell ever in White thanks to stuff like Lapse of Certainty and Frontline Medic. I'm sure people like you would love that, right?
I mean look at Paladin En-Vec, who is supposed to be "strong" for a white protection creature at 1WW. This guy is so far ahead of Paladin En-Vec he isn't in the same universe.
Paladin En-Vec is fairly old and outdated. More recent examples of strong protection such as Mirran Crusader and Soldier of the Pantheon aren't nearly as outclassed. Yes, this card is very strong, but white does have strong cards with protection.
I'd have no problem with Lapse of Certainty costing 1W. I find strong cards, such as this and Craterhoof Behemoth, functioning at the boundaries of the color pie to be interesting. I loved the 3WU and 1WU hard counters in RTR block that demonstrated that White and Black can substitute for the second blue on a hard counter.
I can buy the arguments that this card makes a mockery of balance, it is of an obscene power level, but it's not making a mockery of the color pie.
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Yes. it is. This is the best protection ability ever printed (bar progenitus.) Since when is protection primarily in blue?
Why does blue need to have protection as a primary keyword for it to get this card? This isn't a common or basic core set fare for blue. Those are what being primary means, not simply power level. Black and red have both seen strong fliers even though flying is secondary in black and tertiary in red.
Cards like this is the reason I don't play legacy anymore.
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Cards like this is the reason I still play Berserk in legacy. I can either play a deck I enjoy and have fun, or try to win and have fun. These type of cards make only one of those options possible...
Finally! I've been wondering when one of the 2(last time) "Legacy/Vintage" viable cards would show up. Looks like this is one.
Glad I wasn't the only one looking. While I remain cautious that a 3 mana creature will see immediate legacy play, you can never trust those folk players
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I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
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This is going to show up in most creature based blue decks. I suspect Esper, BUG, Bant, etc will get more mileage out of this than Merfolk will. This is better as a midrange card than as a curve topper in a fast deck.
I doubt this obsoletes Goyf. There have been quite a few 3 mana creatures printed since Goyf came out that outclass him and they haven't obsoleted him yet. Goyf's power/mana efficiency is keeping him in the metagame even while he loses his big creature on the block status.
Why does blue need to have protection as a primary keyword for it to get this card? This isn't a common or basic core set fare for blue. Those are what being primary means, not simply power level. Black and red have both seen strong fliers even though flying is secondary in black and tertiary in red.
What I'm reading here is, it's impossible for any single card to break the color pie?
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Yes. it is. This is the best protection ability ever printed (bar progenitus.) Since when is protection primarily in blue?
not barring progenitus. Progenitus can't be equipped or giant growthed. Although you can cast pyroclasm without damaging progenitus. I'd still say this protection is better, though.
What I'm reading here is, it's impossible for any single card to break the color pie?
Only if you are intentionally misreading. How does saying "mechanics can appear in their secondary and tertiary colors as long as its rarely" imply simple cards can't break the color pie?
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What I'm reading here is, it's impossible for any single card to break the color pie?
No, it means that if there is a powerful card with an ability it isn't primary in, that doesn't break the color pie. Weird protection is (partially) blue, so this card is fine color pie-wise. It doesn't matter how powerful it is. Same with Craterhoof and haste in green (Green is tertiary at haste).
Primary/secondary/tertiary simply means how often it shows up and at what rarities.
What I'm reading here is, it's impossible for any single card to break the color pie?
If this was red, green, or black, I'd say that it broke the color pie. White and Blue both have sufficient room within the color pie to house this card. Power level concerns are not the same as color pie concerns. Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, Black Lotus, Demonic Tutor and Sol Ring are all grossly overpowered, but none of them break the color pie. That's why you see so many attempts at "fixed"/balanced versions of these. You don't see attempts at a "fixed"/balanced version of Psionic Blast because you can't fix the fact that it shouldn't be a blue card. Printing "U, instant: Deal 2 damage to target creature or player" would break the color pie; printing "B: Draw 3 cards and lose 3 life" wouldn't.
As long as they don't reword the "protection" that means you run white blue with Concerted Effort and laugh like a madman.
Unfortunately, it's a pair of linked abilities. So every other creature you control will copy "Protection from the chosen player" without any abilities that tell them what the chosen player is. And no, before you ask, you can't get around that with cards like Iona, because the ability is looking for a specific other ability, not just anything that lets you choose a player.
Unfortunately, it's a pair of linked abilities. So every other creature you control will copy "Protection from the chosen player" without any abilities that tell them what the chosen player is. And no, before you ask, you can't get around that with cards like Iona, because the ability is looking for a specific other ability, not just anything that lets you choose a player.
Except once you choose the player, the merfolk gains "Protection from (insert player's name)", which then at the start of his turn, with Concerted Effort, they would all gain it since that would be the 'protection' it has.
Sorry but I cannot understand it. When Concerted Effort triggers on the other creatures on the battlefield, why doesn't it copy the previous choice? "Protection from the chosen player" seems exactly the same as "Protection from Player x, where x = the player chosen when Identity Nemesis entered the battlefield", so I cannot see why there should be another ability to say what the choice was...
When new creatures are revealed there are often problems of ruling interpretation, we've seen them for Master of Cruelties for example, and for Bestow vs removal too, so let's wait 'til some FAQs are released...
We already have a card we could compare it to: Voice of All. Now, I'm not entirely sure if it works or not, but I tend to think it doesn't. My reasoning being that it copies "protecion from the chosen color/player" but not the coice itself.
Protection from a player means this card kills all planeswalkers. It's better than progenitus because it's both castable and equipable.
The only answers are in white and black, and a lot of the solutions are cards that are not heavily played. You have lilianan and other sac creature effects and mass removal effects like terminus and supreme verdict. The only other way of beating this card, because it is non-interactive and one-sided is by playing combo.
I still don't think this card is real, and until its verified by wizards or I see the card in actual print, I will continue to hope that wizards is not this stupid
Except once you choose the player, the merfolk gains "Protection from (insert player's name)", which then at the start of his turn, with Concerted Effort, they would all gain it since that would be the 'protection' it has.
I don't think this is right. I believe what it's really saying is "Protection from the player you chose as this creature entered the battlefield." The creature never entered the battlefield, so it never made a choice. Anyone could test it easily online using Voice of All and some kind of after the fact Doppleganger.
Protection from a player means this card kills all planeswalkers. It's better than progenitus because it's both castable and equipable.
The only answers are in white and black, and a lot of the solutions are cards that are not heavily played. You have lilianan and other sac creature effects and mass removal effects like terminus and supreme verdict. The only other way of beating this card, because it is non-interactive and one-sided is by playing combo.
I still don't think this card is real, and until its verified by wizards or I see the card in actual print, I will continue to hope that wizards is not this stupid
This is blatantly untrue. I'm not sure why you expect it to kill planeswalkers any more than any hexproof unblockable guy does. Beyond that, there are colorless answers and blue answers (counters and non-targeted bounce).
This plays like a blue card but protection is mostly a white ability.
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If this was red, green, or black, I'd say that it broke the color pie. White and Blue both have sufficient room within the color pie to house this card. Power level concerns are not the same as color pie concerns. Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, Black Lotus, Demonic Tutor and Sol Ring are all grossly overpowered, but none of them break the color pie. That's why you see so many attempts at "fixed"/balanced versions of these. You don't see attempts at a "fixed"/balanced version of Psionic Blast because you can't fix the fact that it shouldn't be a blue card. Printing "U, instant: Deal 2 damage to target creature or player" would break the color pie; printing "B: Draw 3 cards and lose 3 life" wouldn't.
Your examples are good but "breaking the color pie" also takes into account power level of the card. It's ok to dip into another color if you generally nerf the spell compared to the baseline. Hornet Sting is a good example of this.
Doubtful, merfolks are already virtually unblockable with islandwalk.
Paladin En-Vec is fairly old and outdated. More recent examples of strong protection such as Mirran Crusader and Soldier of the Pantheon aren't nearly as outclassed. Yes, this card is very strong, but white does have strong cards with protection.
I'd have no problem with Lapse of Certainty costing 1W. I find strong cards, such as this and Craterhoof Behemoth, functioning at the boundaries of the color pie to be interesting. I loved the 3WU and 1WU hard counters in RTR block that demonstrated that White and Black can substitute for the second blue on a hard counter.
I can buy the arguments that this card makes a mockery of balance, it is of an obscene power level, but it's not making a mockery of the color pie.
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Yes. it is. This is the best protection ability ever printed (bar progenitus.) Since when is protection primarily in blue?
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Why does blue need to have protection as a primary keyword for it to get this card? This isn't a common or basic core set fare for blue. Those are what being primary means, not simply power level. Black and red have both seen strong fliers even though flying is secondary in black and tertiary in red.
Cards like this is the reason I still play Berserk in legacy. I can either play a deck I enjoy and have fun, or try to win and have fun. These type of cards make only one of those options possible...
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This is going to show up in most creature based blue decks. I suspect Esper, BUG, Bant, etc will get more mileage out of this than Merfolk will. This is better as a midrange card than as a curve topper in a fast deck.
I doubt this obsoletes Goyf. There have been quite a few 3 mana creatures printed since Goyf came out that outclass him and they haven't obsoleted him yet. Goyf's power/mana efficiency is keeping him in the metagame even while he loses his big creature on the block status.
What I'm reading here is, it's impossible for any single card to break the color pie?
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not barring progenitus. Progenitus can't be equipped or giant growthed. Although you can cast pyroclasm without damaging progenitus. I'd still say this protection is better, though.
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Only if you are intentionally misreading. How does saying "mechanics can appear in their secondary and tertiary colors as long as its rarely" imply simple cards can't break the color pie?
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No, it means that if there is a powerful card with an ability it isn't primary in, that doesn't break the color pie. Weird protection is (partially) blue, so this card is fine color pie-wise. It doesn't matter how powerful it is. Same with Craterhoof and haste in green (Green is tertiary at haste).
Primary/secondary/tertiary simply means how often it shows up and at what rarities.
If this was red, green, or black, I'd say that it broke the color pie. White and Blue both have sufficient room within the color pie to house this card. Power level concerns are not the same as color pie concerns. Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, Black Lotus, Demonic Tutor and Sol Ring are all grossly overpowered, but none of them break the color pie. That's why you see so many attempts at "fixed"/balanced versions of these. You don't see attempts at a "fixed"/balanced version of Psionic Blast because you can't fix the fact that it shouldn't be a blue card. Printing "U, instant: Deal 2 damage to target creature or player" would break the color pie; printing "B: Draw 3 cards and lose 3 life" wouldn't.
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Unfortunately, it's a pair of linked abilities. So every other creature you control will copy "Protection from the chosen player" without any abilities that tell them what the chosen player is. And no, before you ask, you can't get around that with cards like Iona, because the ability is looking for a specific other ability, not just anything that lets you choose a player.
Except once you choose the player, the merfolk gains "Protection from (insert player's name)", which then at the start of his turn, with Concerted Effort, they would all gain it since that would be the 'protection' it has.
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It's not, but part of expanding blue's slice of the color pie in recent years has been giving it protection from weird things.
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We already have a card we could compare it to: Voice of All. Now, I'm not entirely sure if it works or not, but I tend to think it doesn't. My reasoning being that it copies "protecion from the chosen color/player" but not the coice itself.
The only answers are in white and black, and a lot of the solutions are cards that are not heavily played. You have lilianan and other sac creature effects and mass removal effects like terminus and supreme verdict. The only other way of beating this card, because it is non-interactive and one-sided is by playing combo.
I still don't think this card is real, and until its verified by wizards or I see the card in actual print, I will continue to hope that wizards is not this stupid
I don't think this is right. I believe what it's really saying is "Protection from the player you chose as this creature entered the battlefield." The creature never entered the battlefield, so it never made a choice. Anyone could test it easily online using Voice of All and some kind of after the fact Doppleganger.
This is blatantly untrue. I'm not sure why you expect it to kill planeswalkers any more than any hexproof unblockable guy does. Beyond that, there are colorless answers and blue answers (counters and non-targeted bounce).
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Your examples are good but "breaking the color pie" also takes into account power level of the card. It's ok to dip into another color if you generally nerf the spell compared to the baseline. Hornet Sting is a good example of this.
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