Wouldn't be a complete set unless they waste a rare slot with utter jank.
I guess knowledge pool and warp world weren't crappy enough that they had to print this. These are the rares you open and cringe and wish you had rather spent your money on a root canal.
Just devote a little bit of worship to Master and he'll reward you with insane power.
He'll reward you by making your opponents removal the best removal ever printed?
Can't believe people are all over this card. It's terrible. He comes into play, yay, I get all these dudes! Your opponent kills him, on no, I lost ALL of them.
Pyxis of whatever is 25 cent rare box fodder all day long. It'll fit nicely next to Helvault and Scrambleverse.
The horse thing could be decent if black gets a sweeper.
He'll reward you by making your opponents removal the best removal ever printed?
Can't believe people are all over this card. It's terrible. He comes into play, yay, I get all these dudes! Your opponent kills him, on no, I lost ALL of them.
master of waves is cute but just a sideboard card. Way too easy to kill and need's a lot of work just to be really good. Devotion to blue also seems rather tough, they need some sort of tidebinder mage that is good against anything to really get that devotion going.
For now I feel devotion will mostly be a white/green/red thing because they have sweet cards like BTE, boros reckoner etc. to actually get a decent amount of devotion in the first place.
In no way does it do that. I play Tron in Modern and you could not pay me to put this card in that deck.
The entire point of Tron is "I can get lots of mana in play fatser than you and drop bigger bombs than you can to win". Why in the world would I play a card that puts permanents into play for free for my opponent?
Dies to removal" is still a thing?
I thought the era of Thragtusk and Geist of Saint Traft had mellowed out perspectives on that.
Thragtusk and Geist don't die to removal (well Thragtusk dies but you get a 3/3 out of it). This not only dies to removal, he takes ALL his tokens with him when he does.
He's simply not a big threat, since everything he makes dies with him. Why do you think Precursor Golem way pretty much a dud? Because your opponent 3-for-1'd you with removal. It's not like black, white, and blue don't have 1 mana answers to this guy, and green does at 2 mana. The guy can never attack or block or you lose your board.
He fits the definition of a bad card perfectly: He's only good if your opponent does nothing.
I never understood the argument that somehow your opponent 3-for-1's you if he or she kills your Precursor Golem or other similar creatures like this one. Sure, they are destroying multiple creatures with one card, but you only spent one card to get those creatures. It's really not different than if your opponent kills your Baneslayer Angel.
In no way does it do that. I play Tron in Modern and you could not pay me to put this card in that deck.
The entire point of Tron is "I can get lots of mana in play fatser than you and drop bigger bombs than you can to win". Why in the world would I play a card that puts permanents into play for free for my opponent?
It's as you say: "drop bigger bombs than you can to win". You have bigger and better bomby cards and most of the deck is permanents anyways. Think of it like card draw with the possibility your opponent getting less. Especially if they play a permanent-less deck like Storm and UWR control/flash. This should definitely warrant testing at the very least.
Thragtusk and Geist don't die to removal (well Thragtusk dies but you get a 3/3 out of it).
Right. My point in a nutshell.
People have been clamoring about how annoying those cards are, so I'd figure they'd be excited to see good cards that can actually be removed with removal.
He's simply not a big threat, since everything he makes dies with him. Why do you think Precursor Golem way pretty much a dud? Because your opponent 3-for-1'd you with removal.
He fits the definition of a bad card perfectly: He's only good if your opponent does nothing.
I think you need a stronger grasp of the ideas of tempo and card advantage. Killing Master of Waves is not an X-for-1. You pay one card to get it, they pay one card to take it away. In the meantime, you've established a threat of multiple relevant attackers for the price of that single card. Capitalizing on your opponent's inability to mount relevant answers does not make a card "bad." It just means that you need to support it with additional, equally nasty threats if you want to win consistently (again, basic aggro strategy here.)
Precursor Golem is generally too expensive, at :5mana:, for most aggro decks. Master of Waves, at 3U, fits the role of aggro finisher perfectly. It's just a question of whether a U/x or X/u aggro archetype becomes viable upon Theros rotating in. I can't predict whether it will be or not. But this card has the bona fides to make that a serious discussion.
The New Merfolk can create up to 7 2/1s on turn 4, that's 16 power for 4 mana in Blue. Of course they die with him, anything else would make Hero of Bladehold want to hang herself.
Also a single enchantment that pumps your creatures, something similar to Intangible Virtue keeps the token creatures alive.
are we going to be able to look at what pandora has in store for us? ie can we look at the face down cards?
Nope, you can't look at what you are exiling, and your opponent can't look at what they are exiling. You'd have to use scry first if you wanted any faint hope of making this card good.
master of waves is cute but just a sideboard card. Way too easy to kill and need's a lot of work just to be really good. Devotion to blue also seems rather tough, they need some sort of tidebinder mage that is good against anything to really get that devotion going.
For now I feel devotion will mostly be a white/green/red thing because they have sweet cards like BTE, boros reckoner etc. to actually get a decent amount of devotion in the first place.
I think you are very wrong here. Tidebinder Mage is MainDeckable given the large # of the solid G/R creatures in the environment. Also with protection from red, even if this were a 3/5 it would die to the same amount of kill spells in the environment (except for the occasional Warped Physique). Also as for devotion to Blue, Nightveil Spectre was already seeing play in block and Frostborn Weird will be a fine early drop against the format. I was already wanting them in my Ub control deck before I saw this card.
This card will be a major player in standard and currently the card of the set. It is not hard to abuse. It gets ridiculous in numbers and can be resettable will already solid cards like far // away and Voyage's end.
are we going to be able to look at what pandora has in store for us? ie can we look at the face down cards?
No. Face down exiled cards can only be looked at if the card that exiled them says you can look at them. E.g. Intet, the Dreamer or Bane Alley Broker.
Speaking of, I really want to see someone lose because their Phage was under the Pyxis of Pandemonium. Just imagine, the Pyxis's controller pops it, and as everyone is looking through what they got, one player is all like:
"Cabal Coffers, Phyrexian Arena, Swamp, Swamp, Phage the Untouchable, and Lightning Greaves. Wait. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
I laughed out loud when I read Pyxis of Pandemonium. Sorry, Mr. Hundred Hands. I have a new favorite.
Nighthowler is also pretty nice. Like a reverse Bonehoard, though I'm sure that's been pointed out a lot already. Should I play it over Bonehoard in Commander? Actually, I'll probably just play both.
I kinda thought, that my first comment here would be something like that.
"Dies to removal"/"Wizards, stop print hexproof creatures" - cognitive dissonance.
Worst case you get an X/X for 3, and it's black so it dodges some removal (while weak to others) but most importantly, if you bestow it (to say, a Lifebane Zombie?) then it becomes a critter again after the guy its attached to dies, only even bigger!
Not sure if I'd do 4-of, but it's easily a good 3-of. Sets up some nice devotion as well for the Merchant.
If only I could play it without tripping on full-blown graveyard hate anywhere I go... This guy will very often be a 0/0 for three post sideboarding. I miss the days I could play mortivore and the best graveyard hate available was withered wretch.
Wouldn't be a complete set unless they waste a rare slot with utter jank.
I guess knowledge pool and warp world weren't crappy enough that they had to print this. These are the rares you open and cringe and wish you had rather spent your money on a root canal.
Modern Top Control can use it. It's not that junk, at least not Jar of Eyeballs kind junk.
You played JESUS?!?! I heard none of his guys stay in the graveyard, and once you think you have him beat he ALWAYS comes back to win within three turns. I like...WORSHIP him.
Kind of wish the master was 2UU, but then he might've been too good; 2UU for 3 2/1s and 3 ETB trigger is pretty pimp.
I'm hoping to see some CCC or CCCC devotion enablers in the set, or more likely, the block.
Either way, looking forward to more U/R shenanigans in T2.
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I think that Pyxis of Pandemonium can and will be abused in Standard with some sort of "Look Ma, No Instants or Sorceries" type deck. Abusing nasty ETB effects such (Devotion especially).
Master of Waves makes me want to go merfolks tempo. Sadly, Supreme Verdict will always keep this kind of deck in check.
Still, my favorite Theros card so far and the only one I'm excited to test.
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useless? It is a dream come true, this card was taylor made for this: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=467058
Yes I will, YES I will... *maniacal laugh*
"When you get your opponent down to 0 sanity, you win the game!"
He'll reward you by making your opponents removal the best removal ever printed?
Can't believe people are all over this card. It's terrible. He comes into play, yay, I get all these dudes! Your opponent kills him, on no, I lost ALL of them.
Pyxis of whatever is 25 cent rare box fodder all day long. It'll fit nicely next to Helvault and Scrambleverse.
The horse thing could be decent if black gets a sweeper.
"Dies to removal" is still a thing?
I thought the era of Thragtusk and Geist of Saint Traft had mellowed out perspectives on that.
It seems to me that players have gotten so spoiled with midrange that they've forgotten how to build a basic aggro deck.
When your threats are of high quality and come in great numbers, the "best removal ever printed" is of very little concern.
For now I feel devotion will mostly be a white/green/red thing because they have sweet cards like BTE, boros reckoner etc. to actually get a decent amount of devotion in the first place.
In no way does it do that. I play Tron in Modern and you could not pay me to put this card in that deck.
The entire point of Tron is "I can get lots of mana in play fatser than you and drop bigger bombs than you can to win". Why in the world would I play a card that puts permanents into play for free for my opponent?
Thragtusk and Geist don't die to removal (well Thragtusk dies but you get a 3/3 out of it). This not only dies to removal, he takes ALL his tokens with him when he does.
He's simply not a big threat, since everything he makes dies with him. Why do you think Precursor Golem way pretty much a dud? Because your opponent 3-for-1'd you with removal. It's not like black, white, and blue don't have 1 mana answers to this guy, and green does at 2 mana. The guy can never attack or block or you lose your board.
He fits the definition of a bad card perfectly: He's only good if your opponent does nothing.
It's as you say: "drop bigger bombs than you can to win". You have bigger and better bomby cards and most of the deck is permanents anyways. Think of it like card draw with the possibility your opponent getting less. Especially if they play a permanent-less deck like Storm and UWR control/flash. This should definitely warrant testing at the very least.
Right. My point in a nutshell.
People have been clamoring about how annoying those cards are, so I'd figure they'd be excited to see good cards that can actually be removed with removal.
I think you need a stronger grasp of the ideas of tempo and card advantage. Killing Master of Waves is not an X-for-1. You pay one card to get it, they pay one card to take it away. In the meantime, you've established a threat of multiple relevant attackers for the price of that single card. Capitalizing on your opponent's inability to mount relevant answers does not make a card "bad." It just means that you need to support it with additional, equally nasty threats if you want to win consistently (again, basic aggro strategy here.)
Precursor Golem is generally too expensive, at :5mana:, for most aggro decks. Master of Waves, at 3U, fits the role of aggro finisher perfectly. It's just a question of whether a U/x or X/u aggro archetype becomes viable upon Theros rotating in. I can't predict whether it will be or not. But this card has the bona fides to make that a serious discussion.
Also a single enchantment that pumps your creatures, something similar to Intangible Virtue keeps the token creatures alive.
Nope, you can't look at what you are exiling, and your opponent can't look at what they are exiling. You'd have to use scry first if you wanted any faint hope of making this card good.
I think you are very wrong here. Tidebinder Mage is MainDeckable given the large # of the solid G/R creatures in the environment. Also with protection from red, even if this were a 3/5 it would die to the same amount of kill spells in the environment (except for the occasional Warped Physique). Also as for devotion to Blue, Nightveil Spectre was already seeing play in block and Frostborn Weird will be a fine early drop against the format. I was already wanting them in my Ub control deck before I saw this card.
This card will be a major player in standard and currently the card of the set. It is not hard to abuse. It gets ridiculous in numbers and can be resettable will already solid cards like far // away and Voyage's end.
No. Face down exiled cards can only be looked at if the card that exiled them says you can look at them. E.g. Intet, the Dreamer or Bane Alley Broker.
Speaking of, I really want to see someone lose because their Phage was under the Pyxis of Pandemonium. Just imagine, the Pyxis's controller pops it, and as everyone is looking through what they got, one player is all like:
"Cabal Coffers, Phyrexian Arena, Swamp, Swamp, Phage the Untouchable, and Lightning Greaves. Wait. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
Nighthowler is also pretty nice. Like a reverse Bonehoard, though I'm sure that's been pointed out a lot already. Should I play it over Bonehoard in Commander? Actually, I'll probably just play both.
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WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
"Dies to removal"/"Wizards, stop print hexproof creatures" - cognitive dissonance.
If only I could play it without tripping on full-blown graveyard hate anywhere I go... This guy will very often be a 0/0 for three post sideboarding. I miss the days I could play mortivore and the best graveyard hate available was withered wretch.
Modern Top Control can use it. It's not that junk, at least not Jar of Eyeballs kind junk.
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I'm hoping to see some CCC or CCCC devotion enablers in the set, or more likely, the block.
Either way, looking forward to more U/R shenanigans in T2.
I have no idea how to evaluate this guy, so I won't!
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