This is only a slight upgrade to Cancel and we all can safely say that Cancel is far from a great card. It will probably see play in standard, but there's a chance it won't and there's plenty of room for something else to come along and take it's place in the next sets.
I'm still not on the Scry 1 hype train. I think it's only meh. Scry 2 or more is really where it's at. I'd rather this be Condescend a million times over, and even that card was hardly pushing things power-wise.
I still won't believe mana leak is too good for standard until they stop designing overpowered creatures. Balance and consistency across archetyepes...
Essence Scatter is just as easy to cast you know. You just gotta accept that being able to counter any kind of spell with a 2 mana costed spell is not gonna happen that easily again. It was/is too powerful.
Never gonna happen. The powers that be said they determined the spell itself was just too powerful to be in standard.
Exactly this.
For the people saying counterspell is too powerfull for modern, Mana leak > counterspell, and tbh its not even debatable.
There is a reason why people often joke that island is the best card in magic, and that mostly comes from easy splashable permission cards like mana leak, as well as U cantrip/filter cards.
You dont want all decks to be U/X/x
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Exactly this.
For the people saying counterspell is too powerfull for modern, Mana leak > counterspell, and tbh its not even debatable.
Um, what. The best control decks in modern play three colors and still manage to cast counters with UUU in the cost. I think they'd find room for counterspell.
I strongly remember many people on various forums telling me back in my newb days (Mercadian Masques block) that Mana Leak was absolutely unplayable, even though I love the card dearly.
That's probably because mana leak was never in standard at the same time as Masques, and all the "broken" counters were available in legacy and extended
True. As usual, I'm looking at it from Modern and EDH. This is good, but I like Dissipate better. However, I do agree that this is better in Standard right now.
Please tell me that was sarcasm. Counterspell was strictly better than Cancel before it even existed, and Dissipate is also strictly better than it (there are probably others too).
People overuse "strictly better." Dissipate is better than Cancel in most situations, but it's certainly not "strictly better." There are plenty of situations, particularly in EDH, where I'd much rather have what I'm countering go into the GY than be exiled. Think of any card that exists that allows you to use what's in their GY. Heck, even in the new standard I'd rather have Cancel over Dissipate if I'm playing Scavenging Ooze or Deathrite Shaman and they're not using their own GY at all.
Exactly this.
For the people saying counterspell is too powerfull for modern, Mana leak > counterspell, and tbh its not even debatable.
There is a reason why people often joke that island is the best card in magic, and that mostly comes from easy splashable permission cards like mana leak, as well as U cantrip/filter cards.
You dont want all decks to be U/X/x
Mana Leak is clearly worse than Counterspell. They'd both get played in Modern, just because some decks can't handle the mana. It'd simply depend on whether or not you can reliably cast UU on turn 2, which plenty of decks can.
Counterspell and Dissolve are strictly better than Cancel, they are better in 99.99% situations
Dissipate is a different effect and is better or worse depending on the situation and meta
I hope you're not actually planning to play Swan Song in standard. I'd pretty much always rather be playing Negate or Dispel, unless the Gods replace actual creatures in the new meta.
I think Dissolve is fine and will see play in this upcoming Standard. Dissipate saw plenty of play this year and Dissolve is arguably better in a meta where the graveyard doesn't matter as much.
I think Dissolve is fine and will see play in this upcoming Standard. Dissipate saw plenty of play this year and Dissolve is arguably better in a meta where the graveyard doesn't matter as much.
While you do make one good, you are also forgetting that Dissipate was good at the time because Flashback was a thing. And a good thing.
Counterspell is NOT too powerful for Standard. The only reason they're not reprinting it is because WotC is focusing more and more on making swiss-knife creatures with X abilities rather than your classic non-creature spells with ≤3 abilities. Accordingly, they are shifting the power balance towards creatures and away from non-creature spells.
Hence all the nerfed nonsense that has been coming out in terms of counterspells lately, Cancel being the prime example, and Dissolve being a slight upgrade from it. I'm of the opinion that no GOOD counterspell costs ≥3 to cast unless it has an alternate casting method (e.g. Force of Will and Misdirection) or has several potent effects that justify its greater casting cost (e.g. Cryptic Command and Last Word).
I personally play Legacy (frequently), Modern (occasionally), and I'm just about to get into Standard with a BUGControl deck. In the context of Legacy, the question I would (albeit I don't, because the answer is obvious) ask myself is: Why would I play Dissolve in my Legacy Merfolk deck when I can play Daze and/or Force of Will?
So Dissolve has Scry 1? Tell me how that matters when I have 8 Scry lands (4x Temple of Deceit, 4x Temple of Mystery), 2x Read the Bones (Scry 2 -> Draw 2!) and a Reaper of the Wilds (Scry 1 every time a creature dies) in my MB... And in Modern? More of the same. In all three aforementioned formats does Dissolve look pretty weak. The only thing I do like about it is that it's an Uncommon.
Just my two cents.
Lets say that swan song is a card that you want to play. So what the card does?: Let you counter a sorcery, instant , or Enchantment.
What and why it is relevant: With theros it will be countering Artifacts and Creatures ( Enchantments) and also playing a solid role against control mirrors ( in that department Dispel would play as well and also be cheaper $$ wise). What is the drawback? Give your opponent board presence ( 2/2 flyer).
The Draw back on SS is huge and you say that you can always play another card or activate another card to kill it... ( 2:1) If you are playing Big flyer this is ok ( give the token while you can block it or your opponent use it to block you.) but the way you are saying a 2/2 flyer doesn't matter is and feels wrong.
SS is not for Standard
Essence Scatter and its counterpart will fit better in controll shells.
Now why play Dissolve?
If Standard go well with MidRange and the meta slow down then 3 mana for a Hardcounter that gives you srcy 1 is not bad specially if you trade 1:1 and can filter your next draw. Dissipate was played cause it could stop anoying cards with flashback and countered all things ( like dissolve ) and if Dissipate could be played in a agressive meta i don't see how Dissolve couldn't...
In other formarts ---- will not be played ( maybe if someone is playing UX control EDH then it can fit... But in Legacy/Vintage/Modern there are better options).
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I'm still not on the Scry 1 hype train. I think it's only meh. Scry 2 or more is really where it's at. I'd rather this be Condescend a million times over, and even that card was hardly pushing things power-wise.
Essence Scatter is just as easy to cast you know. You just gotta accept that being able to counter any kind of spell with a 2 mana costed spell is not gonna happen that easily again. It was/is too powerful.
Exactly this.
For the people saying counterspell is too powerfull for modern, Mana leak > counterspell, and tbh its not even debatable.
There is a reason why people often joke that island is the best card in magic, and that mostly comes from easy splashable permission cards like mana leak, as well as U cantrip/filter cards.
You dont want all decks to be U/X/x
Give irony and sarcasm, when ignorance and stupidity is found.
The whip is kept for special occasions
Um, what. The best control decks in modern play three colors and still manage to cast counters with UUU in the cost. I think they'd find room for counterspell.
That's probably because mana leak was never in standard at the same time as Masques, and all the "broken" counters were available in legacy and extended
People overuse "strictly better." Dissipate is better than Cancel in most situations, but it's certainly not "strictly better." There are plenty of situations, particularly in EDH, where I'd much rather have what I'm countering go into the GY than be exiled. Think of any card that exists that allows you to use what's in their GY. Heck, even in the new standard I'd rather have Cancel over Dissipate if I'm playing Scavenging Ooze or Deathrite Shaman and they're not using their own GY at all.
Mana Leak is clearly worse than Counterspell. They'd both get played in Modern, just because some decks can't handle the mana. It'd simply depend on whether or not you can reliably cast UU on turn 2, which plenty of decks can.
Dissipate is a different effect and is better or worse depending on the situation and meta
While you do make one good, you are also forgetting that Dissipate was good at the time because Flashback was a thing. And a good thing.
Lets say that swan song is a card that you want to play. So what the card does?: Let you counter a sorcery, instant , or Enchantment.
What and why it is relevant: With theros it will be countering Artifacts and Creatures ( Enchantments) and also playing a solid role against control mirrors ( in that department Dispel would play as well and also be cheaper $$ wise). What is the drawback? Give your opponent board presence ( 2/2 flyer).
The Draw back on SS is huge and you say that you can always play another card or activate another card to kill it... ( 2:1) If you are playing Big flyer this is ok ( give the token while you can block it or your opponent use it to block you.) but the way you are saying a 2/2 flyer doesn't matter is and feels wrong.
SS is not for Standard
Essence Scatter and its counterpart will fit better in controll shells.
Now why play Dissolve?
If Standard go well with MidRange and the meta slow down then 3 mana for a Hardcounter that gives you srcy 1 is not bad specially if you trade 1:1 and can filter your next draw. Dissipate was played cause it could stop anoying cards with flashback and countered all things ( like dissolve ) and if Dissipate could be played in a agressive meta i don't see how Dissolve couldn't...
In other formarts ---- will not be played ( maybe if someone is playing UX control EDH then it can fit... But in Legacy/Vintage/Modern there are better options).