Actually that is exactly how german works, because if he was female the "Weber" would be morphed into the female "Weberin". If he was female the name would be "Ashiok, die Albtraumweberin".
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I don't really play anymore, just check in from time to time, but I'm really confused by all the people that say Erebos isn't a beast in constructed. Seems like the perfect card to push Suicide Black into a viable, strong deck (modern).
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As I said, I don't really play anymore, so please let me know if I'm way off base here. He seems very, very playable and is far from the "worst of the gods cycle."
Yeah but every point of loyalty he losses when swung into greatly diminishes his utility on the -X. On a goldfish, you're putting a luck component into doing a +2, then praying for -4, or worse a -5, to be available to snatch up after your untap. But milling 3 is not going to give you significant odds of drawing into gass on your opponents deck, not when finishers are hardly that frequent. And when all you can snatch is a 1 or 2 drop? Yech
Yes his not great vs. aggro. He doesn't help you stabilize and his his a weak win con in that case.
But in all other match ups his pretty good. No Esper or Grixix control will ever have trouble playing him and keeping him intact for 1~2 turns against a anything but crazy BTE decks. He put creatures for free, he mills (which is the number 1 win con vs. controls) and his ult is absolutely devastating.
LotV t3 into ult is a very, very common play against any control player. This guy have a similar function, except his more resilient to burn, mill 3 is better then trading cards in hand (milling 9 cards often is already enough to win in a control vs. control match up) and his ult (hand wipe) is better then destroying 3~4 lands.
That new planeswalker is going to be a 4-of in my Esper deck soon. It gains 2 loyalty which means it's much harder to kill, especially with jace, architect on the table. If I untap with her in the field, I can have a good chump blocker to trade with my opponent. I may even be able to drop a dragon or something and just end the game. It also gives additional answers to enemy planeswalkers (where Esper and UB decks traditionally have problems).
And Thassa gets countered by a two-mana spell. Kind of a bummer that Chained to the Rocks comes together with something that gets rid of it, but probably should have been expected.
don't worry, no one is playing land destruction, not even in limited. it being cheap and doing something else doesn't make it any better.
People need to stop thinking about control as we knew it 2 months ago. As in the previous rotation, archtypes change... even slightly. Last year at this time we were playing PW based control decks. Milling was NOT the first thing on any control players mind. Resolving a Karn or slapping a Batterskull on a Gideon was in some cases.
This being said I do really like Ashiok, and think he's going to be a bit like Tamiyo. Not GREAT, but it's still something you're happy not to see resolve on the other side. People are more than happy to let Sorin poop out a vampire to protect him. I will block with my Omenspeaker (orwhatevershe'scalled) to protect his 5 loyalty, and then snatch your best creature next turn to do it all over again. Sure it might be something dumb... but if your playing 1-2 drops, they are good enough for your deck, and better than a 1/1 token in many cases.
Problem with the plainswalker is that she is set that has very strong creatures and cheap cmc. She does not pose a threat early enough to matter. Gruul and selsenya a will eat your lunch earlier before you get her to benefit you. Against control though, she is the bomb.
The black god seems more for control support. 2 life and 2 manna seems expensive for one card. Not going to be expensive in the long run.
Problem with the plains walker is that she is set that has very strong creatures and cheap cmc. She does not pose a threat early enough to matter. Gruul and selsenya a will eat your lunch earlier before you get her to benefit you. Against control though, she is the bomb.
The black god seems more for control support. 2 life and 2 manna seems expensive for one card. Not going to be expensive in the long run.
what is a plains walker? a creature with plainwalk?
Problem with the plains walker is that she is set that has very strong creatures and cheap cmc. She does not pose a threat early enough to matter. Gruul and selsenya a will eat your lunch earlier before you get her to benefit you. Against control though, she is the bomb.
The black god seems more for control support. 2 life and 2 manna seems expensive for one card. Not going to be expensive in the long run.
I think they both have their place, esp in the same deck. Ashiok may be a SB card in the end, but I think they work nicely hand in hand. Let's not forget that a deck running Ashiok will also be running ways to protect it. I'm certainly not going to play him on a dead field because I so badly want to exile your scry target.
Against aggro, he is often going to be a 3 mana fog (ie, you're going to play him and they're going to kill him immediately). Worst case scenario they can just ignore him and kill you. Sure, there will be some games where he comes down after you killed one of their guys and played a blocker, and you're able to tick him up and then use him to cast some super powerful creature for free, but that isn't going to happen consistently enough to make him worth the card slot. There will also be a lot of times where you don't hit a creature, or don't hit a relevant creature, or don't hit a creature you can cast with him in time, or they just kill him immediately before you can "cast" a creature off him and they just resume killing you. Way too much can go wrong to make him worth playing when you can just play removal and your own finishers instead. Same thing against midrange.
Against control, he mills 3 cards a turn, which is way too slow to be relevant. Nephalia Drownyard is playable because it doesn't take up a spell slot in your deck and you can have multiples in play to make for a reasonably fast clock. You can also mill yourself for value. Jace is playable because he mills 10 cards at once, which means you have at most 5 turns to live by the time he comes down. Ashiok doesn't do any of those things.
And once again red gets shafted in a "cycle" of cards. Seriously this is bull ****. Design and dev need to stop hating on red.
Black god will see heaps of play. Its stronger than you give it credit for.
Im just on the fence if the blue god is broken or not.
Blue black walker needs more cards spoiled to know if good or not.
Ashiok seems like it would be a viable wincon.
+2 wins the game eventually and can't be "countered" by Psychic Spiral or any other silly nonsense like that.
-X can play the blockers, situational defensive spell.
-10 is mostly irrelevant
The only reason why I think this is actually viable is that it only costs 3. It doesn't kill as fast as Aetherling but it can come down so much faster and it can ruin an opponents scry (little advantages!).
Also we have to remember that we've only seen 39% of the cards from Theros and that control is the LAST deck that truley gets its body. Walkers like this are very dependent on their support spells and decks they play against considering the -X ability is 100% dependent on the opponent's deck.
I think he's being misunderstood as well. Tibalt was just bad on its face. You only had to read it once to see that. Ashiok is much more of a niche walker with a very specialized effect. You've got to build around him, but we might have the tools to make it work. We'll see.
The biggest thing is his lack of protection, but you don't HAVE to play him on curve. If you're the beatdown somehow, sure, go for it. If not, waiting until you can defend him with removal and countermagic is probably better. 5 is a lot of loyalty to nuke early in the game, but you need him high to snag something awful.
And once again red gets shafted in a "cycle" of cards. Seriously this is bull ****. Design and dev need to stop hating on red.
Black god will see heaps of play. Its stronger than you give it credit for.
Im just on the fence if the blue god is broken or not.
Blue black walker needs more cards spoiled to know if good or not.
Hating on red? Red has been probably the best color for the better part of 3 months and has been a major player since RTR. Mono red, Blitz, RG aggro/midrange, Jund, UWR, Aristocrats. The only reason UWR has fallen out of favor is because, get this, a red card (Burning Earth).
Just announced! Jace, the Mind Sculptor 2.0! His casting cost is a single blue. He starts out 15 loyalty. His +6 ability is Scry 30 and then draw 6.
-1 ability is exile all opponents libraries.
His ultimate -4 ability is put all permanents exiled with JtMS 2.0 on the battlefield under your control. They all become 40/40 "I want another $800 PW" creatures that have indestructible, life link, flying, unblockable, infect, double strike, haste, annhilator 15, protection from all spells your opponents control, and Monstrosity 48 for UU.
+1 for Ashiok being awesome. only bummer is that it only lets you steal creatures, not spells, but oh well. Also, its cool that it just dumps the creature into play rather than making you cast it. Makes a stolen Bloodbraid elf or shardless agent[/CARD] worse, but being harder to counter is cool.
I like the ultimate, it still spells I win, but not in such a dominating way as some other planeswalkers lately. Me gusta
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+1 for Ashiok being awesome. only bummer is that it only lets you steal creatures, not spells, but oh well. Also, its cool that it just dumps the creature into play rather than making you cast it. Makes a stolen Bloodbraid elf or shardless agent[/CARD] worse, but being harder to counter is cool.
I like the ultimate, it still spells I win, but not in such a dominating way as some other planeswalkers lately. Me gusta
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Just announced! Jace, the Mind Sculptor 2.0! His casting cost is a single blue. He starts out 15 loyalty. His +6 ability is Scry 30 and then draw 6.
-1 ability is exile all opponents libraries.
His ultimate -4 ability is put all permanents exiled with JtMS 2.0 on the battlefield under your control. They all become 40/40 "I want another $800 PW" creatures that have indestructible, life link, flying, unblockable, infect, double strike, haste, annhilator 15, protection from all spells your opponents control, and Monstrosity 48 for UU.
>_< doh! I was blinded by my lack of coffee and the poster focusing on the use of "der" when he/she should have pointed out the form of the noun instead. Also lack of coffee.
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As I said, I don't really play anymore, so please let me know if I'm way off base here. He seems very, very playable and is far from the "worst of the gods cycle."
Yes his not great vs. aggro. He doesn't help you stabilize and his his a weak win con in that case.
But in all other match ups his pretty good. No Esper or Grixix control will ever have trouble playing him and keeping him intact for 1~2 turns against a anything but crazy BTE decks. He put creatures for free, he mills (which is the number 1 win con vs. controls) and his ult is absolutely devastating.
LotV t3 into ult is a very, very common play against any control player. This guy have a similar function, except his more resilient to burn, mill 3 is better then trading cards in hand (milling 9 cards often is already enough to win in a control vs. control match up) and his ult (hand wipe) is better then destroying 3~4 lands.
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don't worry, no one is playing land destruction, not even in limited. it being cheap and doing something else doesn't make it any better.
This being said I do really like Ashiok, and think he's going to be a bit like Tamiyo. Not GREAT, but it's still something you're happy not to see resolve on the other side. People are more than happy to let Sorin poop out a vampire to protect him. I will block with my Omenspeaker (orwhatevershe'scalled) to protect his 5 loyalty, and then snatch your best creature next turn to do it all over again. Sure it might be something dumb... but if your playing 1-2 drops, they are good enough for your deck, and better than a 1/1 token in many cases.
Boros Elite? Ooze? BTE? Voice? Young Pyromancer? Firefist Striker? Yes plz!
The black god seems more for control support. 2 life and 2 manna seems expensive for one card. Not going to be expensive in the long run.
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what is a plains walker? a creature with plainwalk?
I think they both have their place, esp in the same deck. Ashiok may be a SB card in the end, but I think they work nicely hand in hand. Let's not forget that a deck running Ashiok will also be running ways to protect it. I'm certainly not going to play him on a dead field because I so badly want to exile your scry target.
Against aggro, he is often going to be a 3 mana fog (ie, you're going to play him and they're going to kill him immediately). Worst case scenario they can just ignore him and kill you. Sure, there will be some games where he comes down after you killed one of their guys and played a blocker, and you're able to tick him up and then use him to cast some super powerful creature for free, but that isn't going to happen consistently enough to make him worth the card slot. There will also be a lot of times where you don't hit a creature, or don't hit a relevant creature, or don't hit a creature you can cast with him in time, or they just kill him immediately before you can "cast" a creature off him and they just resume killing you. Way too much can go wrong to make him worth playing when you can just play removal and your own finishers instead. Same thing against midrange.
Against control, he mills 3 cards a turn, which is way too slow to be relevant. Nephalia Drownyard is playable because it doesn't take up a spell slot in your deck and you can have multiples in play to make for a reasonably fast clock. You can also mill yourself for value. Jace is playable because he mills 10 cards at once, which means you have at most 5 turns to live by the time he comes down. Ashiok doesn't do any of those things.
In conclusion, Ashiok sucks.
Black god will see heaps of play. Its stronger than you give it credit for.
Im just on the fence if the blue god is broken or not.
Blue black walker needs more cards spoiled to know if good or not.
+2 wins the game eventually and can't be "countered" by Psychic Spiral or any other silly nonsense like that.
-X can play the blockers, situational defensive spell.
-10 is mostly irrelevant
The only reason why I think this is actually viable is that it only costs 3. It doesn't kill as fast as Aetherling but it can come down so much faster and it can ruin an opponents scry (little advantages!).
Also we have to remember that we've only seen 39% of the cards from Theros and that control is the LAST deck that truley gets its body. Walkers like this are very dependent on their support spells and decks they play against considering the -X ability is 100% dependent on the opponent's deck.
Hating on red? Red has been probably the best color for the better part of 3 months and has been a major player since RTR. Mono red, Blitz, RG aggro/midrange, Jund, UWR, Aristocrats. The only reason UWR has fallen out of favor is because, get this, a red card (Burning Earth).
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-1 ability is exile all opponents libraries.
His ultimate -4 ability is put all permanents exiled with JtMS 2.0 on the battlefield under your control. They all become 40/40 "I want another $800 PW" creatures that have indestructible, life link, flying, unblockable, infect, double strike, haste, annhilator 15, protection from all spells your opponents control, and Monstrosity 48 for UU.
I'm sure the haters get the point.....
I like the ultimate, it still spells I win, but not in such a dominating way as some other planeswalkers lately. Me gusta
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Is everyone missing that Ashiok is +TWO???
No, I think they're just saying +1 as in '+like' or upvoting.
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Bad card. Dies to Dreadbore and Abrupt Decay.
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