It would have been neat if the whip cost a bit less and gave all creatures lifelink to help build around Erebos' static ability, but that'd pretty much be an entirely different card.
I was also expecting the horse to make its controller's opponents' creatures unblockable, but its current form is... something, at least.
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
I dont understand why my thread in the "New Card Discussion" section was deleted. Anyway i think the whip will find home in the standard environment.
There was a thread for the whip that someone put in "The Rumor Mill" and not in NCD. Was that you?
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That whip is ABSURD, especially now that it has synergy with Ashen Rider. Wow. Whip + Rider + Sac outlet = exile a permanent, swing for 5 with evasion, then exile another permanent. For four mana.
Wow.
Not to mention other cards with ETB effects, like Angel of Serenity and Lifebane Zombie.
It doesn't exile another permanent b/c it exiles itself at beginning of end step or whenever it leaves play.
Fanatic Mogis is pretty legit. More or less a fixed flametongue kavu.
It is a fixed if able to target creature or player
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T4 : Forest, Fanatic of Mogis (7 damage ETB) (2+5+4)
I may have posted wrong, but the thread has disappeared, it hasnt been moved to NCD as far as i can see.
Correct. They deleted it because it was "pointless" for that Rumor Mill. It's not too late to go start it up again in NCD. Hurry! Go quickly.
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It would have been neat if the whip cost a bit less and gave all creatures lifelink to help build around Erebos' static ability, but that'd pretty much be an entirely different card.
The whip DOES give all your creatures lifelink...
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It doesn't exile another permanent b/c it exiles itself at beginning of end step or whenever it leaves play.
Hey guys, let's exercise our close reading skills. Here's what I said in my post:
That whip is ABSURD, especially now that it has synergy with Ashen Rider. Wow. Whip + Rider + Sac outlet = exile a permanent, swing for 5 with evasion, then exile another permanent. For four mana.
Now let's extrapolate the relevant section.
Whip + Rider + Sac outlet
Do you see what I was saying? How about next time you read more carefully?
Hey guys, let's exercise our close reading skills. Here's what I said in my post:
That whip is ABSURD, especially now that it has synergy with Ashen Rider. Wow. Whip + Rider + Sac outlet = exile a permanent, swing for 5 with evasion, then exile another permanent. For four mana.
Now let's extrapolate the relevant section.
Whip + Rider + Sac outlet
Do you see what I was saying? How about next time you read more carefully?
Unless that "sac outlet" is Deadeye Navigator, it won't work. If the creature would be sent to the graveyard for any reason, it is exiled instead. No Ashen Rider die trigger.
Unless you mean this: Cast Ashen Rider, cast Whip of Erebos, sacrifice Ashen Rider with a sac outlet, use the Whip of Erebos to reanimate, get the etb exile trigger, then swing with Ashen Rider.
Maybe I'm missing something. If I am, somebody please explain it to me.
Hellrider is better. It has haste. But it seems like the second best 4 drop in the format, with the God of course being a bit better.
But that fanatic of mogis - that card is nuts, given the cards we have right now.
Rakdos Cackler, BTE, Ash Zealot, Boros Reckoner, Fanatic... yeah, that's a deck right there.
Yep, gonna miss Hellrider. But these will do.
I was also expecting the horse to make its controller's opponents' creatures unblockable, but its current form is... something, at least.
C'mon man. Also purple?
Questionable art/art direction this set imo.
edit* Horse should have been just an artifact like someone said.
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The Whip's value shines most in one of two decks:
1. A black-based aggro/midrange deck, one that runs Dark Prophecy.
2. A reanimation deck, either value or combo.
WotC, please hire me already.
There was a thread for the whip that someone put in "The Rumor Mill" and not in NCD. Was that you?
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It doesn't exile another permanent b/c it exiles itself at beginning of end step or whenever it leaves play.
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I just might start playing standard for a season...
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Effin new Flametongue Kavu yeahhh !! Just what I need.
It is a fixed if able to target creature or player
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T1 : Stomping Ground, Elvish Mystic
T2 : Mountain, Burning-Tree Emissary, Hammer of Purphoros (2)
T3 : Mountain, unleashed Bloodfray Giant (2+5)
T4 : Forest, Fanatic of Mogis (7 damage ETB) (2+5+4)
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Correct. They deleted it because it was "pointless" for that Rumor Mill. It's not too late to go start it up again in NCD. Hurry! Go quickly.
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While a director without a writer is unemployed.
But ultimately a writer without words is dead.
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"7,015 creatures in existence. They all die to removal."
Never before has a boy wanted more...zombie slaying.
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I like the whip as a replacement for unburial rites in standard reanimator
Don't be so sure. The whip and the kavu might find a way into standard somehow. They're close.
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The whip DOES give all your creatures lifelink...
Never mind, you can indeed-a-diddily-do.
Yea not even close. A perfect curve could net you easy turn 4 wins though just like hellrider. But a less than perfect one won't be nearly as good.
Hey guys, let's exercise our close reading skills. Here's what I said in my post:
That whip is ABSURD, especially now that it has synergy with Ashen Rider. Wow. Whip + Rider + Sac outlet = exile a permanent, swing for 5 with evasion, then exile another permanent. For four mana.
Now let's extrapolate the relevant section.
Whip + Rider + Sac outlet
Do you see what I was saying? How about next time you read more carefully?
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Not to mention that it doesn't hit a creature, it hits a player. Yeah, not Flame Tongue Kavu.
Unless that "sac outlet" is Deadeye Navigator, it won't work. If the creature would be sent to the graveyard for any reason, it is exiled instead. No Ashen Rider die trigger.
Unless you mean this: Cast Ashen Rider, cast Whip of Erebos, sacrifice Ashen Rider with a sac outlet, use the Whip of Erebos to reanimate, get the etb exile trigger, then swing with Ashen Rider.
Maybe I'm missing something. If I am, somebody please explain it to me.
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