If this is real hopefully the black one will be something like whenever a player discards a non-land card draw card
2 black tap it target player discards nonland card
What is so hard to get about this? It's an enchantment for flavor reasons. And maybe to interact with an enchantments-matter theme as well, but I'm willing the biggest reason is flavor. The gods of Theros are living enchantments, it's presumably a big part of their mechanical schtick, and it would be weird if their weapons weren't enchantments as well. So - Enchantment Artifacts. Where's the problem?
Didn't part of the lore say a sailor once stole this to sink an enemy fleet? The thing is pretty large. He must of been one burly guy.
With that legend in mind, how does this bident "sink" things? By drawing cards (gaining knowledge) and forcing things to attack (Which appeared in U only a few times, so this is odd) I think something along the lines of:
Bident of Thassa Legendary Enchantment Artifact XUU Tap X target creatures. Those creatures do not uptap during their controller's next untap step.
simulates drowning a bit better, I think.
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If this is real hopefully the black one will be something like whenever a player discards a non-land card draw card
2 black tap it target player discards nonland card
humm maybe it will be a Larceny with
3BB: creatures you control are unblokeable until the end of turn.
and the white one will be a Noble Purpose with:
2WW: Creatures you controll gain +1/+1 and gain vigilance
or
5WW: Destroy each non enchantment non land permanents. they cant be Regenerated.
They would not commission 2 separate pieces of art that look almost identical and that's not the art for Dekella from the planeswalker's guide. Also as a legend they will call it by name as Dekella in the card title, not just Bident. Also what little equipment there will be in theros will probably equip to a creature to make artificer's hex a more relevant card. I don't think you're even allowed to call a thing with no equip cost/function equipment, it'd just be an artifact enchantment like this. Also super blurry photo in this the year of our maro twenty and thirteen.
Fake.
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It was just added to the spoiler page on the mainsite. According to it, the ability does cost 1U.
I just hate the name. Its a legendary weapon of the sea god - with a name. Why "Bident"! Thats just so stupid.
As far as playability goes. Dunno. Its blue, but with very non-blue traits. I've never seen forcing creatures to attack in anything but red and green. U/x or U/x/y control decks don't pack enough creatures for true abuse and we're losing Invisible Stalker. Maybe Bant will get the best use. Force the opponent's guys to attack, Fog, then send in the team to refill your hand and do it all over again.
They would not commission 2 separate pieces of art that look almost identical and that's not the art for Dekella from the planeswalker's guide. Also as a legend they will call it by name as Dekella in the card title, not just Bident. Also what little equipment there will be in theros will probably equip to a creature to make artificer's hex a more relevant card. I don't think you're even allowed to call a thing with no equip cost/function equipment, it'd just be an artifact enchantment like this. Also super blurry photo in this the year of our maro twenty and thirteen.
Fake.
Well, that's a release promo, so the art would be different. But I agree, the blurriness is fishy, especially after you see the detail on that thumbtack. It seems like it'd be higher quality.
Also, you're right about the Equipment bit. I mean, the Guide did say mortals could wield the god weapons, which makes me think of equipable artifacts.
And the naming, yes, also odd. Why give specific names and not use them?
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Although there's a chance of it being fake, where on earth do you suppose the art has come from then? Magic artists can't release their art until the actual art is known to the public, so the art certainly hasn't been repurposed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Planeswalker's Guide art is just concept art.
Do you draw a card in general or do you draw a card for each creature that does damage?
Each creature. Think of this card as a Curiosity for all your creatures that specifies combat damage
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Playing with Goblin Diplomats in M14 Limited has shown me how powerful the tap ability this card has can be in a creature matchup. I don't think this will be good enough for standard, but it just might make it if it has the right support.
Conventions are not arbitrary, they define the game, create and restrict the bank of design space within the game, and much more. Creating a new subtype for the sake of it is reckless and more pointless for a designer: especially when you can accomplish the same result with existing design resources (which is what they've done, by taking two things that exist in the game and putting them together in an unexpected way).
Of all things, if this had been a "Legendary Artifact - Divine", I'd argue that that's bad design.
A lot of the fun in Magic comes from breaking conventions, which is one of the reasons that R&D tends not to break most of them very often. Each year Magic does something different and a lot of things the same, that's how Magic design works. As for creating a new card type, I don't have a problem with it. Planeswalkers are basically the coolest permanents in existence, and creating them was a much bigger step than making a new subtype like Enchantment Artifact. I mean, you should have seen this coming after we got colored artifacts. It's a fairly obvious part of Magic's design space and was bound to be explored at some point.
It's called a Bident because it's got two points, and Bi is a prefix for two. It makes sense.
Bis (as in the musical notation) means twice, actually. I didn't think blue still got the Siren's Call ability, though; I thought that was firmly in red now.
I have an, ah, "affinity" for potentially busted dual card types.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
I can see Dimir getting quite a boost with this card - Cipher abilities will have a better chance of getting through, then you could just Hands of Binding everything no problem.
This is so potentially broken. Forcing opponents to attack is a very powerful effect inherently. And the cost is affordable too.
As has been said, the fact that it's both an enchantment and an artifact makes it easy to tutor but also easier to kill. Could this card make defender based control/tempo a thing in Modern? Possibly in UGx?
They would not commission 2 separate pieces of art[...]
Prerelease and release promos always have different art from the normal card, and are generally very similar having been created from the same art description. The different-but-similar art is evidence for it being real, not fake.
I imagine they would be areas of Theros that were partly "overlaid" with Nyx, thus being somewhat transitory in nature.
I was thinking of something similar like an artificial world made with an enchantment or an area of land that has been closed from the rest of Theros. Or it could be where the deities interact with one another, like with the red and green one who seem to be on good terms with each other.
Prerelease and release promos always have different art from the normal card, and are generally very similar having been created from the same art description. The different-but-similar art is evidence for it being real, not fake.
Though for the sake of being picky, I'd like to point out how the card is blurry but the thumbtack and material under the card is very detailed. Theoretically, couldn't somebody not from wizards draw this weapon and then purposely blur it so their art quality couldn't be determined?
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I have an, ah, "affinity" for potentially busted dual card types.
I think design is super wary of making lands that are something else as well. It bit them with artifacts (as you allude to) and with creatures, sadly I don't think we'll see enchantment lands.
This really doesn't seem like it's real.
1. It would be called "Dakella, Thassa's Bident", or something to that effect.
2. It's a weapon... but it's not equipment? This makes absolutely no sense, especially since they said that a guy stole this and used it.
3. It's ability does not even come close to representing the flavor that wizards itself used to describe it.
"Wielding Dekella allows her to control the tides and stir the seas into whirlpools"
How is this doing anything remotely indicitive of controling the seas?
Honestly I thought that these weapons would be pretty powerful not quite on the same level of the swords (since these are most likely rare, and the swords are mythics) but very close to them, they are weapons of the gods after all. I really can't believe this isn't even an equipment.
They have a very good opportunity to make something much more powerful since it can be dealt with by such a wide range of cards, not this card that will never see play.
But this is on (what appears to be) an official fnm poster.
I'm sure we have alot of store owners in here that recieve these posters, can anyone that has recieved one of these take a picture of it to prove that this card is actually on it?
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its already up in the spoilers, is there any other confirmation of this? shouldn't like hundreds of stores be getting this calender?
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its already up in the spoilers, is there any other confirmation of this? shouldn't like hundreds of stores be getting this calender?
I haven't heard of other instances of this. So that would mean this is special case. But why send out a few of these special calenders? They could easily reveal these weapons on Sunday. Why pull a quiet gimmick like this?
There is just so many things wrong with this, I can't help but think it's fake.
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2 black tap it target player discards nonland card
With that legend in mind, how does this bident "sink" things? By drawing cards (gaining knowledge) and forcing things to attack (Which appeared in U only a few times, so this is odd) I think something along the lines of:
Legendary Enchantment Artifact
XUU Tap X target creatures. Those creatures do not uptap during their controller's next untap step.
simulates drowning a bit better, I think.
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humm maybe it will be a Larceny with
3BB: creatures you control are unblokeable until the end of turn.
and the white one will be a Noble Purpose with:
2WW: Creatures you controll gain +1/+1 and gain vigilance
or
5WW: Destroy each non enchantment non land permanents. they cant be Regenerated.
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When you have a Dissipation Field they pretty much sink...
Fake.
I just hate the name. Its a legendary weapon of the sea god - with a name. Why "Bident"! Thats just so stupid.
As far as playability goes. Dunno. Its blue, but with very non-blue traits. I've never seen forcing creatures to attack in anything but red and green. U/x or U/x/y control decks don't pack enough creatures for true abuse and we're losing Invisible Stalker. Maybe Bant will get the best use. Force the opponent's guys to attack, Fog, then send in the team to refill your hand and do it all over again.
Well, that's a release promo, so the art would be different. But I agree, the blurriness is fishy, especially after you see the detail on that thumbtack. It seems like it'd be higher quality.
Also, you're right about the Equipment bit. I mean, the Guide did say mortals could wield the god weapons, which makes me think of equipable artifacts.
And the naming, yes, also odd. Why give specific names and not use them?
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or the art of the normal versions
As far for the card? I like it, it's pretty good
Enchantment Artifact is fine with me, until I know more about how the "enchantment matters theme" plays out there isn't much to say
Each creature. Think of this card as a Curiosity for all your creatures that specifies combat damage
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also wombo combo with aetherize
A lot of the fun in Magic comes from breaking conventions, which is one of the reasons that R&D tends not to break most of them very often. Each year Magic does something different and a lot of things the same, that's how Magic design works. As for creating a new card type, I don't have a problem with it. Planeswalkers are basically the coolest permanents in existence, and creating them was a much bigger step than making a new subtype like Enchantment Artifact. I mean, you should have seen this coming after we got colored artifacts. It's a fairly obvious part of Magic's design space and was bound to be explored at some point.
I imagine they would be areas of Theros that were partly "overlaid" with Nyx, thus being somewhat transitory in nature.
WotC, please hire me already.
Bis (as in the musical notation) means twice, actually. I didn't think blue still got the Siren's Call ability, though; I thought that was firmly in red now.
I would like that.
I have an, ah, "affinity" for potentially busted dual card types.
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As has been said, the fact that it's both an enchantment and an artifact makes it easy to tutor but also easier to kill. Could this card make defender based control/tempo a thing in Modern? Possibly in UGx?
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Prerelease and release promos always have different art from the normal card, and are generally very similar having been created from the same art description. The different-but-similar art is evidence for it being real, not fake.
I was thinking of something similar like an artificial world made with an enchantment or an area of land that has been closed from the rest of Theros. Or it could be where the deities interact with one another, like with the red and green one who seem to be on good terms with each other.
Though for the sake of being picky, I'd like to point out how the card is blurry but the thumbtack and material under the card is very detailed. Theoretically, couldn't somebody not from wizards draw this weapon and then purposely blur it so their art quality couldn't be determined?
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GPrimordial Hydra JankinessG
Bi- is the prefix meaning twice or two. Bis also means twice, but that doesn't invalidate bi as a prefix.
Mark Rosewater recently confirmed that red and blue get the siren ability on his Tumblr.
I think design is super wary of making lands that are something else as well. It bit them with artifacts (as you allude to) and with creatures, sadly I don't think we'll see enchantment lands.
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1. It would be called "Dakella, Thassa's Bident", or something to that effect.
2. It's a weapon... but it's not equipment? This makes absolutely no sense, especially since they said that a guy stole this and used it.
3. It's ability does not even come close to representing the flavor that wizards itself used to describe it.
How is this doing anything remotely indicitive of controling the seas?
Honestly I thought that these weapons would be pretty powerful not quite on the same level of the swords (since these are most likely rare, and the swords are mythics) but very close to them, they are weapons of the gods after all. I really can't believe this isn't even an equipment.
They have a very good opportunity to make something much more powerful since it can be dealt with by such a wide range of cards, not this card that will never see play.
But this is on (what appears to be) an official fnm poster.
I'm sure we have alot of store owners in here that recieve these posters, can anyone that has recieved one of these take a picture of it to prove that this card is actually on it?
Standard/Block = The on-again, off-again holiday fling
Modern/Vintage/Legacy = Stable, homely. A ***** after absence/misreading
Limited/Sealed = Heart breaking free spirit
Commander/Cube = Agreeable, needy and expensive
Pauper/Peasant = Sweet, kind, practical, but shy and boring
I haven't heard of other instances of this. So that would mean this is special case. But why send out a few of these special calenders? They could easily reveal these weapons on Sunday. Why pull a quiet gimmick like this?
There is just so many things wrong with this, I can't help but think it's fake.
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Casual:
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