There has been two opportunities to print it in m13 and Modern Masters but we got nothing?
If they give us every reprint that people have been sweating over in 2013... then 2014 is going to be REALLY dull. Besides, my wallet is already in a freaking coma from MMA.
Frankly, I'll still buy this even if Jace is the only "good" reprint of the bunch. Let them save something good for other products.
My Prediction:
Terminus/Entreat the Angels
Sword of Feast and Famine Jace, the Mind Sculptor Cruel Ultimatum
Bitterblossom Venser, Shaper Servent
Remand/Char Ink Eyes, Servant of Oni Gilded Lotus Akroma's Vengeance
Psychatog
Urza's Rage/Flametoungue Kave
Rishaden Port
Wildfire
Scroll Rack Impulse
Blinking Spirit Hymn to Tourach
Birds to Paradise
Swords to Plowshares
This would Give 4 White, 3 Black, 3-4 Blue, 2-3 Red, 1 Green, 2 Colorless, 2 Gold
If core sets are an option, Prime Time gets it for 2011 or 2012.
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EDH Decks UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition) WRKalemne's Angels BRUG Yidris's Wild Party UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys UBRThe Pretender
Man, I just don't think we will see many more money cards. I just don't see it.
Yeah, if we follow the logic other FtV's have followed, there is 1 really expensive card (JtMS, Berserk), 1-3 semi-expensive cards (Urborg, Aether Vial), 2-4 neat reprints (= EDH-playbles) with not that much value (Black Vise, Glacial Chasm), rest being flavourful cards that used to be good... and 1 100% ****-card (Desert, Ivory Tower)...
So, we've already had the JtMS filling the expensive slot, Lotus, Venser, Hymn and Impulse going to neat-stuff pile (well, hymn is actually legacy-playable on top of that). So, I'd still expect 2-3 semi-expensive cards, but nothing like Wasteland or FoW. Bitterblossom could still make it, but anything much more expensive than that would really be a stretch...
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I am very glad that this thread has been made, as it shall provide us with an easy reference for this set, allowing us to better predict what cards may be in it.
Is it possible that Ihsan's Shade may be in this set, or was he never in a tournament-winning deck? I know that I certainly wish to see him reprinted in the modern card frame.
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I hope they reprint Winter Orb and re-errata back to "when ~ is untapped"
Also, Cranial Plating "missed" Modern Masters cut of commons. Could that equipment be part of the 20 or would Disciple of the Vault have a worse chance since it was part of the FTV: Vaults collection?
When possible I went with iconic Magic cards. I don’t think they will ignore core sets, and included them on occasion. I tried to balance cost somewhat with Jace already being in there, but I do think they will add at least one more high value card.
1. 1993 – Dark Ritual (We don’t have a lot of info from this year if I remember right, but Dark Ritual was one of the cards, and it is one of those iconic cards from Magic; foils are $50+, so this should create some cheaper foils for cubes)
2. 1994 – Land Tax (Such an important card in early Magic, and could really use a foiling)
4. 1996 – Counterspell (Too iconic not to be reprinted somewhere, and the card choices are pretty weak here; if they go with Counterspell elsewhere I would say Wrath of God)
6. 1998 – Birds of Paradise (Pretty weak year because of Reserved List [Rec/Sur and Cursed Scroll] so Birds is an iconic card that would be cool in FTV)
7. 1999 – Wildfire (Weird for a relatively fair card to be picked from Urza’s block year, but it won two major tournaments, is popular in Cube, and a lot of the other cards that could be reprinted are on the reserved list)
8. 2000 – Rishadan Port (Most of the decks from this era will still just Urza’s block decks, so it was hard for Masques Cards to break in; Port could use a reprint, and it would provide another big card; other option here I think is Counterspell as I would be surprised if it’s not in here, and they may not want to go with Port)
9. 2001 – Armageddon (Lin Sivvi or Fact are also possible choices here, but Armageddon is due for a reprint and is an iconic card; Fact has had so many reprints, it doesn’t need it)
10. 2002 – Upheaval (Psychatog is probably just as likely; I went with Upheaval because Dr. Teeth already has a promo whereas Upheaval has only seen one printing, and Upheaval has stood the test of time better)
14. 2006 – Repeal (This year there is nothing overly exciting other than cards that already have FTV prints [Dragonstorm/Teferi], so I see this as one of the “wasted” spots)
16. 2008 – Heritage Druid (I don’t buy them putting Bitterblossom in, and Druid is a very important card to a deck that has been tier one in many formats, including Legacy at times; I wouldn’t at all be surprised if this is where they use a slot to put a more expensive card with both Thoughtseize and Bitterblossom being very important cards in MTG history)
19. 2011 – Primeval Titan (I think Core Sets will be a part of this, and Titan was the back bone of two separate tier one decks)
20. 2012 – Dissipate (I would say Wolf Run, but I’m going with Titan in 2011 since Titan had a longer run of importance; nothing else seems overly exciting from Innistrad, so might as well have one of the “wasted” spots here)
When possible I went with iconic Magic cards. I don’t think they will ignore core sets, and included them on occasion. I tried to balance cost somewhat with Jace already being in there, but I do think they will add at least one more high value card.
1. 1993 – Dark Ritual (We don’t have a lot of info from this year if I remember right, but Dark Ritual was one of the cards, and it is one of those iconic cards from Magic; foils are $50+, so this should create some cheaper foils for cubes)
2. 1994 – Land Tax (Such an important card in early Magic, and could really use a foiling)
3. 1995 - Hymn to Tourach
4. 1996 – Counterspell (Too iconic not to be reprinted somewhere, and the card choices are pretty weak here; if they go with Counterspell elsewhere I would say Wrath of God)
5. 1997 - Impulse
6. 1998 – Birds of Paradise (Pretty weak year because of Reserved List [Rec/Sur and Cursed Scroll] so Birds is an iconic card that would be cool in FTV)
7. 1999 – Wildfire (Weird for a relatively fair card to be picked from Urza’s block year, but it won two major tournaments, is popular in Cube, and a lot of the other cards that could be reprinted are on the reserved list)
8. 2000 – Rishadan Port (Most of the decks from this era will still just Urza’s block decks, so it was hard for Masques Cards to break in; Port could use a reprint, and it would provide another big card; other option here I think is Counterspell as I would be surprised if it’s not in here, and they may not want to go with Port)
9. 2001 – Armageddon (Lin Sivvi or Fact are also possible choices here, but Armageddon is due for a reprint and is an iconic card; Fact has had so many reprints, it doesn’t need it)
10. 2002 – Upheaval (Psychatog is probably just as likely; I went with Upheaval because Dr. Teeth already has a promo whereas Upheaval has only seen one printing, and Upheaval has stood the test of time better)
11. 2003 - Akroma's Vengeance
12. 2004 - Gilded Lotus
13. 2005 - Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
14. 2006 – Repeal (This year there is nothing overly exciting other than cards that already have FTV prints [Dragonstorm/Teferi], so I see this as one of the “wasted” spots)
15. 2007 - Venser, Shaper Savant
16. 2008 – Heritage Druid (I don’t buy them putting Bitterblossom in, and Druid is a very important card to a deck that has been tier one in many formats, including Legacy at times; I wouldn’t at all be surprised if this is where they use a slot to put a more expensive card with both Thoughtseize and Bitterblossom being very important cards in MTG history)
17. 2009 - Cruel Ultimatum
18. 2010 - Jace, the Mind Sculptor
19. 2011 – Primeval Titan (I think Core Sets will be a part of this, and Titan was the back bone of two separate tier one decks)
20. 2012 – Dissipate (I would say Wolf Run, but I’m going with Titan in 2011 since Titan had a longer run of importance; nothing else seems overly exciting from Innistrad, so might as well have one of the “wasted” spots here)
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Druid has had a larger impact on tournament Magic. Perfect has probably had more impact in casual. I could see either, but they still both have to compete with Bitterblossom and Thoughtseize as well.
93 - No idea
94 - Land Tax - Super Iconic card, popular in edh and cubes, and needs a foiling outside of the judge foil. Also, this is my wishful thinking slot
95 - Hymn
96 - Jokulhaups - Has no one suggested this yet? This card was huge. Also, needs foil
97 - Impulse
98 - Tradewind Rider - As much as I want this to be scroll rack, I don't think they're going to print it again so soon. Tradewind was format defining and crazy good. Besides, scroll rack cant be printed. How funny would it be if they gave us the LOL here and put in scalding tongs?
99 - Thran Dynamo - I feel like this will be their gift to EDH players
00 - Tangle Wire - Rishidan Port is wayyyy too money for them to print it, and tangle wire is way more iconic than trade routes.
01 - Lin Sivvi - I originally thought it was skizzik, but since I think that it'll be solifuge later on, I dont think they'd print two ball lightings in one box.
02 - Cabal Coffers - I get that everyone thinks its psychatog, but I dont think that they'll print it with new art, and I doubt theyd do an identical printing again. IMO, cabal coffers is also iconic, but has more appeal to players.
03 - Akroma's Vengance
04 - Gilded Lotus
05 - Ink Eyes
06 - Giant Solifuge - This guy WRECKED the format. Was super important and a big name at every event I can remember. I want another remand promo, but I feel like the fudge was just too important.
07 - Venser
08 - Bitterblossom - Definitely the single most dominant card in the format. I feel like they can put the last of the "money" into this slot.
09 - Cruel Ultimatum
10 - Jace
11 - Green Sun's Zenith - Was a huge card, and seems like a good fit for a promo. Obv. green tit if core sets are legit.
12 - Kessig Wolf Run - Mandatory Land. Also, was pretty important from what I hear. No idea, since I've been out of competitive magic since this time
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Highly unlikely. I believe the only deck it was in was Maher's Oath deck during the Mercadian Masques year. So unless we're wrong about the pattern, it won't be in FTV 20.
For '93, Stasis seems like a fit, if the deck existed that early on.
There was only 1 tournament that year, and there aren't many reports from it and no deck lists online. Pretty much all we have is accounts of the winning deck, but it did have Dark Ritual, so it probably didn't have Stasis.
I think it was in the Naya lightsaber deck?
There has been two opportunities to print it in m13 and Modern Masters but we got nothing?
Come on WOTC!
If they give us every reprint that people have been sweating over in 2013... then 2014 is going to be REALLY dull. Besides, my wallet is already in a freaking coma from MMA.
Frankly, I'll still buy this even if Jace is the only "good" reprint of the bunch. Let them save something good for other products.
SoFaF hasnt been reprintedas far as I know. Would love if is in here.
Terminus/Entreat the Angels
Sword of Feast and Famine
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Cruel Ultimatum
Bitterblossom
Venser, Shaper Servent
Remand/Char
Ink Eyes, Servant of Oni
Gilded Lotus
Akroma's Vengeance
Psychatog
Urza's Rage/Flametoungue Kave
Rishaden Port
Wildfire
Scroll Rack
Impulse
Blinking Spirit
Hymn to Tourach
Birds to Paradise
Swords to Plowshares
This would Give 4 White, 3 Black, 3-4 Blue, 2-3 Red, 1 Green, 2 Colorless, 2 Gold
If core sets are an option, Prime Time gets it for 2011 or 2012.
EDH Decks
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition)
WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
Man, I just don't think we will see many more money cards. I just don't see it.
Yeah, if we follow the logic other FtV's have followed, there is 1 really expensive card (JtMS, Berserk), 1-3 semi-expensive cards (Urborg, Aether Vial), 2-4 neat reprints (= EDH-playbles) with not that much value (Black Vise, Glacial Chasm), rest being flavourful cards that used to be good... and 1 100% ****-card (Desert, Ivory Tower)...
So, we've already had the JtMS filling the expensive slot, Lotus, Venser, Hymn and Impulse going to neat-stuff pile (well, hymn is actually legacy-playable on top of that). So, I'd still expect 2-3 semi-expensive cards, but nothing like Wasteland or FoW. Bitterblossom could still make it, but anything much more expensive than that would really be a stretch...
Is it possible that Ihsan's Shade may be in this set, or was he never in a tournament-winning deck? I know that I certainly wish to see him reprinted in the modern card frame.
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Also, Cranial Plating "missed" Modern Masters cut of commons. Could that equipment be part of the 20 or would Disciple of the Vault have a worse chance since it was part of the FTV: Vaults collection?
1. 1993 – Dark Ritual (We don’t have a lot of info from this year if I remember right, but Dark Ritual was one of the cards, and it is one of those iconic cards from Magic; foils are $50+, so this should create some cheaper foils for cubes)
2. 1994 – Land Tax (Such an important card in early Magic, and could really use a foiling)
3. 1995 - Hymn to Tourach
4. 1996 – Counterspell (Too iconic not to be reprinted somewhere, and the card choices are pretty weak here; if they go with Counterspell elsewhere I would say Wrath of God)
5. 1997 - Impulse
6. 1998 – Birds of Paradise (Pretty weak year because of Reserved List [Rec/Sur and Cursed Scroll] so Birds is an iconic card that would be cool in FTV)
7. 1999 – Wildfire (Weird for a relatively fair card to be picked from Urza’s block year, but it won two major tournaments, is popular in Cube, and a lot of the other cards that could be reprinted are on the reserved list)
8. 2000 – Rishadan Port (Most of the decks from this era will still just Urza’s block decks, so it was hard for Masques Cards to break in; Port could use a reprint, and it would provide another big card; other option here I think is Counterspell as I would be surprised if it’s not in here, and they may not want to go with Port)
9. 2001 – Armageddon (Lin Sivvi or Fact are also possible choices here, but Armageddon is due for a reprint and is an iconic card; Fact has had so many reprints, it doesn’t need it)
10. 2002 – Upheaval (Psychatog is probably just as likely; I went with Upheaval because Dr. Teeth already has a promo whereas Upheaval has only seen one printing, and Upheaval has stood the test of time better)
11. 2003 - Akroma's Vengeance
12. 2004 - Gilded Lotus
13. 2005 - Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
14. 2006 – Repeal (This year there is nothing overly exciting other than cards that already have FTV prints [Dragonstorm/Teferi], so I see this as one of the “wasted” spots)
15. 2007 - Venser, Shaper Savant
16. 2008 – Heritage Druid (I don’t buy them putting Bitterblossom in, and Druid is a very important card to a deck that has been tier one in many formats, including Legacy at times; I wouldn’t at all be surprised if this is where they use a slot to put a more expensive card with both Thoughtseize and Bitterblossom being very important cards in MTG history)
17. 2009 - Cruel Ultimatum
18. 2010 - Jace, the Mind Sculptor
19. 2011 – Primeval Titan (I think Core Sets will be a part of this, and Titan was the back bone of two separate tier one decks)
20. 2012 – Dissipate (I would say Wolf Run, but I’m going with Titan in 2011 since Titan had a longer run of importance; nothing else seems overly exciting from Innistrad, so might as well have one of the “wasted” spots here)
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Needs more blue cards, dawg. Joking(OR AM I???????)
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My list had 8 blue cards, and 7 were mono colored. Pretty sure you're joking (or are you????)
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Druid has had a larger impact on tournament Magic. Perfect has probably had more impact in casual. I could see either, but they still both have to compete with Bitterblossom and Thoughtseize as well.
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93 - No idea
94 - Land Tax - Super Iconic card, popular in edh and cubes, and needs a foiling outside of the judge foil. Also, this is my wishful thinking slot
95 - Hymn
96 - Jokulhaups - Has no one suggested this yet? This card was huge. Also, needs foil
97 - Impulse
98 - Tradewind Rider - As much as I want this to be scroll rack, I don't think they're going to print it again so soon. Tradewind was format defining and crazy good. Besides, scroll rack cant be printed. How funny would it be if they gave us the LOL here and put in scalding tongs?
99 - Thran Dynamo - I feel like this will be their gift to EDH players
00 - Tangle Wire - Rishidan Port is wayyyy too money for them to print it, and tangle wire is way more iconic than trade routes.
01 - Lin Sivvi - I originally thought it was skizzik, but since I think that it'll be solifuge later on, I dont think they'd print two ball lightings in one box.
02 - Cabal Coffers - I get that everyone thinks its psychatog, but I dont think that they'll print it with new art, and I doubt theyd do an identical printing again. IMO, cabal coffers is also iconic, but has more appeal to players.
03 - Akroma's Vengance
04 - Gilded Lotus
05 - Ink Eyes
06 - Giant Solifuge - This guy WRECKED the format. Was super important and a big name at every event I can remember. I want another remand promo, but I feel like the fudge was just too important.
07 - Venser
08 - Bitterblossom - Definitely the single most dominant card in the format. I feel like they can put the last of the "money" into this slot.
09 - Cruel Ultimatum
10 - Jace
11 - Green Sun's Zenith - Was a huge card, and seems like a good fit for a promo. Obv. green tit if core sets are legit.
12 - Kessig Wolf Run - Mandatory Land. Also, was pretty important from what I hear. No idea, since I've been out of competitive magic since this time
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WB Teysa Tokens
BR Wortsnort
UG 23.5-No Edric
URG Noncombo Animar
GUB Damia Stax
WBR Alesha Hatebear Recursion
WBR Daddy Tariel
UBR [Je]love-a Your Deck
GWU Almost Critterless Enchantress
WUB Sydri+Artifacts=WUB
WURG Glint-Eye Combo
I would agree that Mana Leak would be better. Show me the deck it won in.
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Highly unlikely. I believe the only deck it was in was Maher's Oath deck during the Mercadian Masques year. So unless we're wrong about the pattern, it won't be in FTV 20.
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There was only 1 tournament that year, and there aren't many reports from it and no deck lists online. Pretty much all we have is accounts of the winning deck, but it did have Dark Ritual, so it probably didn't have Stasis.
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1. 1993 - Orcish Oriflamme with the 1R casting cost just for nostalgia.
2. 1994 - Stasis - cmon blue stax!
3. 1995 - Hymn to Tourach
4. 1996 - Demonic Consultation - instant speed Demonic Tutor... perfect for suicide black.
5. 1997 - Impulse
6. 1998 -Earthquake - give red some love.
7. 1999 - Worn Powerstone - for EDH lovers.
8. 2000 - Rishadan Port - argument about price is pointless when cards were printed way before the price of port skyrocketed from $20+
9. 2001 - Urza's Rage - need some non-broken Urza cards
10. 2002 - Upheaval - iconic tog card.
11. 2003 - Akroma's Vengeance
12. 2004 - Gilded Lotus
13. 2005 - Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
14. 2006 - Sleight of Hand - funny that Seething Song and Rite of Flame are banned so less likely to go here.
15. 2007 - Venser, Shaper Savant
16. 2008 -Mistbind Clique - mana short on a stick during Faerie's run of terror
17. 2009 - Cruel Ultimatum
18. 2010 - Jace, the Mind Sculptor
19. 2011 -Kessig Wolf Run - Prime Time can go here, but it needed powerful lands to work.
20. 2012 - Tarmogoyf - this guy wishes to be reprinted again.
M14 had reprints of the most iconic creatures from the alpha/beta sets.
Black - Sengir Vampire
Blue - Clone
Green - Giant Spider???
Red - Shivan Dragon
White - Serra Angel
Actually if its anything other than Lightning Bolt, I really will be surprised.
Really want 2006 to be an alt-art Giant Solifuge!!
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