Also remember Mishra's Factory has a lot of fantastic tricks with it being about to turn itself into 3/3 while blocking or just in general becoming better and more versatile with multiples. Mutavault Misses key points as to why Mishra's Factory is a great control finisher and is far more suited to a place in say a tribal agro.
The demand for mutavaults are still high. It's used across all formats. But with it being in a base set, the price will go down. I am guessing the $20 range once things even out. Unless tribes are a big thing in the Theros block.
Slivers clearly are, so its likely to have a tribal theme mixed in beside slivers aswell (last time slivers were around, tribal was huge).
Core set also provides a theme around the "beasts" in red/green.
Mutavault is doomed to be a card with high demand.
Nearly every creature deck might want to have 4 of them ; it just depends how extrem "multi colored" decks end up, as the colored mana hurts aswell.
That said, price around 15 bucks seems reasonable for a card like that, dont see it reach 20+ as a rare in a core set (would it be mythic, price would probably go up by a fair deal just because of that).
Really? Tell me more, jturphy. Maybe with a qualifying statement this time. One sentence opinions that don't contribute to any real conversation is what I'd call spam. It's a waste of everyone's time and frankly it's annoying.
I see no reason you can't compare formats to generate ideas. In fact most cards are battle tested in standard before they make the leap into legacy or modern. It's just a way to use your experience to synthesize new solutions so I fail to see how that's "dumb."
To be honest, what bothered me about your post is more your general demeanor on MTGS. You're extremely negative, a borderline troll and worst of all: one of the most close-minded people I've ever been in contact with.
Allow me to present an opinion with some support: opinion... I believe you, jturphy, are a plague on the forums.
qualifying statement... You constantly make oversimplified overarching statements that can often be proven as false. You state your opinions as fact without considering the alternatives others present. You continue to rack up your post count arguing over and over again as if there's a trophy for winning each little scuffle. Just some food for thought.
The price is going to crash to ~$7 tops. Rares in core sets, especially a repeat rare with the same art never do well. If it finds a home in competitive standard decks it'll survive about $10 for a little while, but that'll be a limited time.
Very, very, very disappointed they didn't commission new artwork for such an iconic land.
The price is going to crash to ~$7 tops. Rares in core sets, especially a repeat rare with the same art never do well. If it finds a home in competitive standard decks it'll survive about $10 for a little while, but that'll be a limited time.
Very, very, very disappointed they didn't commission new artwork for such an iconic land.
Very happy the price on this will drop. This allows for more people to get into formats like Modern which use the card. I'd be happy with it dropping to $10, but if it drops as low as $7 I am going to be thrilled.
Also, so happy they kept the same art. New art is usually pretty horrible. The digital crap is without soul. It would be especially lame if they redid art on an iconic card. Yay for the original artwork!
W/o a doubt there will be a crash in mutavault price.
It's already lost a ton of value.
We'll see. I still standby my prediction of ~$10-$15 if it isn't used like Thragtusk was and ~$15-$20 if it's used as much or similar to how popular Thragtusk has been.
Keep in mind reprints worth both ways... heavy supply in Standard because it already existed and heavy supply in eternal formats because it's reprinted. Many people seem to forget the first part.
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
What jtmurphy may have meant is that it's stupid to say "Because X is good in Legacy, it's also good in Standard" (if so he is right). As for Muta, it will most likely drop. Aggro bases don't want to have to pay to animate, and it doesn't tap for colored mana, which is really relevent in standard aggro. Drownyard is better in control imo. Midrange idk but I can't think of a good reason to run it there either. I'm pretty sure slivers won't be tier 1. Considering that, I'm not sure how Muta will stay at or above 20 US dollars.
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Slivers clearly are, so its likely to have a tribal theme mixed in beside slivers aswell (last time slivers were around, tribal was huge).
Core set also provides a theme around the "beasts" in red/green.
Mutavault is doomed to be a card with high demand.
Nearly every creature deck might want to have 4 of them ; it just depends how extrem "multi colored" decks end up, as the colored mana hurts aswell.
That said, price around 15 bucks seems reasonable for a card like that, dont see it reach 20+ as a rare in a core set (would it be mythic, price would probably go up by a fair deal just because of that).
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Really? Tell me more, jturphy. Maybe with a qualifying statement this time. One sentence opinions that don't contribute to any real conversation is what I'd call spam. It's a waste of everyone's time and frankly it's annoying.
I see no reason you can't compare formats to generate ideas. In fact most cards are battle tested in standard before they make the leap into legacy or modern. It's just a way to use your experience to synthesize new solutions so I fail to see how that's "dumb."
To be honest, what bothered me about your post is more your general demeanor on MTGS. You're extremely negative, a borderline troll and worst of all: one of the most close-minded people I've ever been in contact with.
Allow me to present an opinion with some support: opinion... I believe you, jturphy, are a plague on the forums.
qualifying statement... You constantly make oversimplified overarching statements that can often be proven as false. You state your opinions as fact without considering the alternatives others present. You continue to rack up your post count arguing over and over again as if there's a trophy for winning each little scuffle. Just some food for thought.
Only expansion sets mandate new art for reprints. It's likely to be the same art, although possible that a new artwork was commissioned. .
It's the same art. Confirmed here: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/254
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That's a shame, I was really hoping for some new art. At least the new flavor text is decent.
Very, very, very disappointed they didn't commission new artwork for such an iconic land.
Very happy the price on this will drop. This allows for more people to get into formats like Modern which use the card. I'd be happy with it dropping to $10, but if it drops as low as $7 I am going to be thrilled.
Also, so happy they kept the same art. New art is usually pretty horrible. The digital crap is without soul. It would be especially lame if they redid art on an iconic card. Yay for the original artwork!
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It's already lost a ton of value.
We'll see. I still standby my prediction of ~$10-$15 if it isn't used like Thragtusk was and ~$15-$20 if it's used as much or similar to how popular Thragtusk has been.
Keep in mind reprints worth both ways... heavy supply in Standard because it already existed and heavy supply in eternal formats because it's reprinted. Many people seem to forget the first part.
its good for everyone
now i can have a playset of muta within reach,
think it will drop like the shocklands
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