Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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You mean they just printed Panoptic Mirror on a body, say hello to bans in EDH boy oh.
#1: Panoptic Mirror can copy sorceries (where most of the broken combos originate from, i.e. Time Warp etc) while this can not.
#2: Panoptic Mirror is an artifact, not a creature; which, while not making it immune to removal, does drastically limit the number of ways your opponents can interact with it.
#3: Panoptic Mirror, after the initital investment, gives you free copies of spells every turn. you don't have to keep paying the mana cost, unlike this guy.
#4: Panoptic Mirror can have multiple spells imprinted on it at the same time, giving you options on each of your upkeeps (in case a certain spell becomes irrelevant through the course of the game, or merely sticking a removal spell on it if you haven't found your combo yet).
none of these features apply to Elite Arcanist. if neither Isochron Scepter nor Kaho, Minamo Historian are banned in EDH, i see no reason why a weaker version would need to be.
You can't take infinite turns with scepter and Final Fortune because at the end of the first extra turn you'll lose. It works, if you add Sundial of the Infinite though.
Im sorry but i still dont get it. Converted mana cost is the mana in total right? If a creature cost 2 red mana and 2 uncolored mana then the converted mana cost is 4 right?
If thats true i fail to see how this card is any good since you end up paying the amount of mana anyway
i think he was just saying that you could use it to cast off-color spells, because converted mana cost is in colorless. therefore, in your example, you could pay the two red simply with two colorless (in case you didn't have enough, or any, red sources), letting you do crazy things like casting Lightning Helix in a mono-blue deck.
Isn't that just a worse Ætherling?...Actually, Cloudshift doesn't really work.
This card comes back without the "imprinted" Cloudshift
i could be off, but i took him to mean imprinting Cloudshift to use on other creatures, making him a pseudo-Nephalia Smuggler...a more-expensive, cheaper-to-activate, yet equally as fragile Smuggler.
but i could be wrong, and maybe he meant 'Shifting itself, in which case, no it doesn't work (and would be next to pointless even if it did work).
Having access to any converted mana cost there are some effects that completely lock out the opponent if cast once a turn such as gather specimens, submerge, endure, or master warcraft.
Pretty obviously not worth the fagility or the inherent 2 for 1 from removal in any constructed format other than EDH however.
In limited, expect this guy to combo up with cheap removal, counterspells, or fog effects and be a potential bomb.
Also a good way to cheat spells with unwieldy colors in their mana costs.
Mono blue cruel ultimatums? Yes please! Casually of course, but still. All sorts of fun to be had with this card. Free spells and untapers and all sorts of nifty stuff could be possible.
And its cool with stuff like experiment kraj cause its activated. Awesome card, beautifully done
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I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
Would be fun to plop a charm on him. Three abilities to pick from each turn. "So many choices. Shall I choose loathing, hate, or malice today?" —Eliza of the Keep
awesome card. not too powerful for constructed, but very well designed. It's no scepter, but will be a fun casual card. really wish it had haste though, but i understand for 6 mana you get this guy and counter backup to avoid the 2 for 1 risk
what about trying to set up lock with Elite archanist and time ebb in order to stall the opponent?
you can somehow verify he doesn't have removal in hand and you can stick your archanist forever while he keeps drawing the same card....
Time Ebb, like so many other suggestions made, is a sorcery. Even if you COULD do that, do you think your opponent would drop the same creature every single turn so you could return him to the top of their library? If that's your level of competition, then this guy is a 1/1 beater wincon on his own.
Others have mentioned Render Silent. Considering you need to keep counter magic to keep this guy in the game, I'd rather just go with straight Silence. It's cheaper, do it on their upkeep, and no more worries. Also prevents those pesky little can't be countered critters.
Time Ebb, like so many other suggestions made, is a sorcery. Even if you COULD do that, do you think your opponent would drop the same creature every single turn so you could return him to the top of their library? If that's your level of competition, then this guy is a 1/1 beater wincon on his own.
Seriously I can't believe I had suggested it. I have 2 older casual decks I even run time ebb in lol. Realized my mistake like 2 days ago and never got around to correcting it. My bad, I apologize for that. Kinda surprised it took so long for someone to say something. Woulda been fun though.
I still see a lot of potential in this guy, and will being brewing hard to make a competitive combo deck with him.
I am a bit confused by the wording of this card. X is not determined at ETB, but rather at each activation. So let's say for example we imprint a Blue Sun's Zenith. Is it possible to cast a copy for 5 colorless that draws 2 cards, then next turn draw 3 for 6? Or must X=0 for the purposes of casting BSZ, as with most effects? The phrasing is somewhat ambiguous. It seems that if they wanted this card to act like every other X effect, it would read "You may exile a card with CMC X when ~ ETB." But if you imprint BSZ and cast for X=2 (5 colorless), the clause on Arcanist of "X=CMC" is technically correct, and you should be able to draw two cards. Any thoughts?
where would you get the blue mana needed to make it infinite? Don't think you'd be able to cast emrakul with just that wizard. with mana elves and ramp, you could race to infinite mana rather than playing it slow and safe to hit the teens in mana.
Isn't that just a worse Ætherling?
Being able to target other creatures would be nice,
but Ætherling seems like a better use of the mana.
This + Cloudshift + Aurelia could be pretty funny.
EDIT: Actually, Cloudshift doesn't really work.
This card comes back without the "imprinted" Cloudshift
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EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
That's a lot of attack phases right there with Aurelia. 7 if my math is correct and I'm not missing something that would make it not work.
Kaho, Minamo Historian
#1: Panoptic Mirror can copy sorceries (where most of the broken combos originate from, i.e. Time Warp etc) while this can not.
#2: Panoptic Mirror is an artifact, not a creature; which, while not making it immune to removal, does drastically limit the number of ways your opponents can interact with it.
#3: Panoptic Mirror, after the initital investment, gives you free copies of spells every turn. you don't have to keep paying the mana cost, unlike this guy.
#4: Panoptic Mirror can have multiple spells imprinted on it at the same time, giving you options on each of your upkeeps (in case a certain spell becomes irrelevant through the course of the game, or merely sticking a removal spell on it if you haven't found your combo yet).
none of these features apply to Elite Arcanist. if neither Isochron Scepter nor Kaho, Minamo Historian are banned in EDH, i see no reason why a weaker version would need to be.
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i think he was just saying that you could use it to cast off-color spells, because converted mana cost is in colorless. therefore, in your example, you could pay the two red simply with two colorless (in case you didn't have enough, or any, red sources), letting you do crazy things like casting Lightning Helix in a mono-blue deck.
i could be off, but i took him to mean imprinting Cloudshift to use on other creatures, making him a pseudo-Nephalia Smuggler...a more-expensive, cheaper-to-activate, yet equally as fragile Smuggler.
but i could be wrong, and maybe he meant 'Shifting itself, in which case, no it doesn't work (and would be next to pointless even if it did work).
Mirror is banned because of Time Warp and other cards that give you extra turns. As far as I know there are no instants that do that.
Plus, it's somewhat likely that Mirror will come off the ban list in the next year, given recent trends.
Commander:
R Daretti, Scrap Savant
BR Olivia Voldaren
BRG Shattergang Brothers
GUR Riku of Two Reflections
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
Being a creature opens up a few interesting combos like Cerulean Wisps, Energy Arc, Savage Beating, or Hope and Glory.
Having access to any converted mana cost there are some effects that completely lock out the opponent if cast once a turn such as gather specimens, submerge, endure, or master warcraft.
Pretty obviously not worth the fagility or the inherent 2 for 1 from removal in any constructed format other than EDH however.
In limited, expect this guy to combo up with cheap removal, counterspells, or fog effects and be a potential bomb.
Mono blue cruel ultimatums? Yes please! Casually of course, but still. All sorts of fun to be had with this card. Free spells and untapers and all sorts of nifty stuff could be possible.
And its cool with stuff like experiment kraj cause its activated. Awesome card, beautifully done
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
Er....wait...
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Time Ebb, like so many other suggestions made, is a sorcery. Even if you COULD do that, do you think your opponent would drop the same creature every single turn so you could return him to the top of their library? If that's your level of competition, then this guy is a 1/1 beater wincon on his own.
Others have mentioned Render Silent. Considering you need to keep counter magic to keep this guy in the game, I'd rather just go with straight Silence. It's cheaper, do it on their upkeep, and no more worries. Also prevents those pesky little can't be countered critters.
Some cards mentioned I would love to do: Plasm Capture, Cryptic Command, but I also have to add Plagiarize.
And also, Seedtime is conditional, so wouldn't be auto infinite turns. As was mentioned, Final Fortune would be good, but only with the Sundial of the Infinite to go with.
Oh yeah, it's 4cmc so it can't be Abrupt Decayed, so that's something!
Seriously I can't believe I had suggested it. I have 2 older casual decks I even run time ebb in lol. Realized my mistake like 2 days ago and never got around to correcting it. My bad, I apologize for that. Kinda surprised it took so long for someone to say something. Woulda been fun though.
I still see a lot of potential in this guy, and will being brewing hard to make a competitive combo deck with him.
No. It's not. The cmc of the spell, whatever that is, is what you pay when you want to use the ability. It's perfectly unambiguous.
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Apprentice Wizard is better
where would you get the blue mana needed to make it infinite? Don't think you'd be able to cast emrakul with just that wizard. with mana elves and ramp, you could race to infinite mana rather than playing it slow and safe to hit the teens in mana.
Pro tip: Palladium myr is ALWAYS a better card than apprentice wizard