I would suspect its because of new tribes and new tribal lords appearing in theros. What do i want merfolk lords for if centaurs are the flavor of the week.
Innistrad focused on unconventional tribes, but Elvish Archdruid was still in M12.
The problem I have with Domestication is that it just feels like a big middle finger to people. Let's reprint an uncommon that nobody wants in a mass produced set but let's bump it to rare.
They could have easily come up with a new control magic that while not feeling rare per se, could have not been printed before like 2UUU, Gain control of target creature as long as it's power is no greater then the number of islands you control. Like a one shot Vedalken Shackles.
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Pauper: Mono-U Delver
EDH: Ghave, Token Master
This set just really makes me sad overall. There's just nothing for me to get super excited about and I play casual, EDH and Standard (competitive and non).
-So many of the card choices just seem completely random and out of nowhere.
-Key coreset cards like dual lands and O. Ring are absent
-Horrible reprint choices (Nightmare, RARE Domestication, Shivan Dragon)
-Planar Cleansing is the best boardwipe we get in a fast, aggro-dominated format
-Sliver ripoffs that were such blatant knockoffs of slivers that they just got renamed to Slivers
-No new Sliver "lord", despite hints of there being one (at least, that was my understanding)
-No lords of any kind. Was hoping for some obscure tribe lords that would foreshadow creature types from Theros (Minotaur, for example)
-No 3CC Garruk and Chandra (I know they could have potentially been too good or flat out terrible, but I wanted to complete the cycle!)
-Terrible Lili, Ajani and Jace reprints
-Nothing to really help boost Rav's multicolor theme.
-Lots of terrible Minotaurs (Come on, it's obvious that they're going to be a tribe in Theros. Why not give us some interesting ones instead of bland limited filler?)
-Choosing to reprint Darksteel Forge, which was already reprinted once, as the token expensive casual/EDH artifact card instead of Crucible of Worlds
Sad stuff indeed. It was nice of them to reprint Mutavault and Ooze, but that's about it. I'm happy for a few of the bomby mythics like Primeval Bounty, Kalonian Hydra and Rise of the Dark Realms for EDH, and a few of the new cards that look fun (Shadowborn stuff, Xanthrid Necromancer, Young Pyromancer, Resonator and Ajani's Chosen). But none of that will give me something to build a new Standard deck with, or help my old ones out (except Pyromancer who has made my Izzet deck very happy).
I would suspect its because of new tribes and new tribal lords appearing in theros. What do i want merfolk lords for if centaurs are the flavor of the week.
I can only hope that the creature types that have been forgotten about get some love.
This set just really makes me sad overall. There's just nothing for me to get super excited about and I play casual, EDH and Standard (competitive and non).
-So many of the card choices just seem completely random and out of nowhere.
-Key coreset cards like dual lands and O. Ring are absent
I agree that O-Ring just needs to be in the set. For 'any given Core Set', they need Duals, but you must understand context *is* special on this one. This is the price we pay for getting Shocks in Standard- we have to wait til Theros for the next cycle. I agree with you that it's frustrating, but I also agree with Wizards that it's fair.
-Horrible reprint choices (Nightmare, RARE Domestication, Shivan Dragon)
Rod of Ruin is a horrible reprint. Rare Domestication is sad. Shivan Dragon and Nightmare are fun favorites from Alpha, glad to see them return. It's good to be against bad reprints, but some of the Very Old weaker cards are too classic to me to complain about. Shivan Dragon should never be as hated as Rod of Ruin
-Planar Cleansing is the best boardwipe we get in a fast, aggro-dominated format
I am not sure, but this could be like Duals. I agree it's not a great card, and I don't recall seeing Mutilate on this list, but I believe RTR had good Wraths all over it. We might be able to infer that Damnation is in Theros because of this. When I see GLARING missing holes, I start wondering 'is it in the next set?' I would bet a pile of rares that O-Ring is in Theros. Could be Day of Judgement is too.
-Sliver ripoffs that were such blatant knockoffs of slivers that they just got renamed to Slivers
I agree 85%. Unfortunately, these aren't ''knockoffs'', they are just Official New Slivers that are only as good as if they'd been knockoffs.
-No new Sliver "lord", despite hints of there being one (at least, that was my understanding)
Wizards can easily weasel out of this one- "All Slivers Are Lords!" But yes, there are no exciting Slivers besides the Blue one that I see. One or two of these Sliver cards I actually like the update, but as a whole they are failing, and their whole thing is to be a whole.
-No lords of any kind. Was hoping for some obscure tribe lords that would foreshadow creature types from Theros (Minotaur, for example)
Now this is VERY sad now that you point it out. I can make exceptions for Wraths and Duals by speculating on future sets, but the Core Set is where the Knight or Soldier, Goblin, Elf, Merfolk, and Vampire or Zombie Lords just BELONG each year...Next year they owe us an Angel Lord -_-
-No 3CC Garruk and Chandra (I know they could have potentially been too good or flat out terrible, but I wanted to complete the cycle!)
-Terrible Lili, Ajani and Jace reprints
Invalid Arguments on the Planeswalkers- Fair Jace is Fair Jace, Ajani and Lili want reprints because I don't ever want a Walker to be at risk of being too scarce again. I think focusing on finding sensible places to reprint as many Walkers as possible is a good move from a casual standpoint. Duel Decks justified Tibalt's existence. Ajani 3 is pretty aggressive and could make a future deck work better than expected. Planeswalkers, on average, should be preferred to be reprinted. I do hope we get Ajani 4 and Liliana 4 next year though.
-Nothing to really help boost Rav's multicolor theme.
RTR itself does that just fine. Darksteel Ingot is more than enough. Mana is going to be smooth as cream for a while yet. Liliana 3 is still worth a look.
-Lots of terrible Minotaurs (Come on, it's obvious that they're going to be a tribe in Theros. Why not give us some interesting ones instead of bland limited filler?)
Minotaurs and Drakes are kind of 'fun tribes to put terrible cards in', but it's disappointing for it to happen in a set that doesn't have quite enough All Stars to make up for it, I'll grant. It works to have silly commons when the Rares are good.
-Choosing to reprint Darksteel Forge, which was already reprinted once, as the token expensive casual/EDH artifact card instead of Crucible of Worlds
Hmmm....well, Crucible of Worlds would be nice, but it's also a weird card that's harder to find a use for in Standard unless LD is good, or a new mechanic comes along to use the Graveyard. DSF may not be as ''chase'', but like Akroma's Memorial, just by existing it makes you want to just play more artifacts (or in Memorial's case, more creatures). For a Core Set, it makes sense. Hopefully Crucible of Worlds will see reprint somewhere else this year.
Sad stuff indeed. It was nice of them to reprint Mutavault and Ooze, but that's about it. I'm happy for a few of the bomby mythics like Primeval Bounty, Kalonian Hydra and Rise of the Dark Realms for EDH, and a few of the new cards that look fun (Shadowborn stuff, Xanthrid Necromancer, Young Pyromancer, Resonator and Ajani's Chosen). But none of that will give me something to build a new Standard deck with, or help my old ones out (except Pyromancer who has made my Izzet deck very happy).
I give your review a 7/10. Some of your points just don't make sense to me, but seeing all of them next to each other caused me to lose a little bit of the benefit of the doubts I was giving WOTC when I looked at each question in isolation. The missing Tribal Lords, on top of the Wraths and Duals, hurts a lot. Basically, I see why and how it came about: Quite a lot is riding on this set's Slivers. And...well....the Slivers Flopped. Imagine a strange alternate world where you Loved these Slivers- we would just think of them as the New Tribe we really want to play, and that's 'why no normal lords?' These are one of the risks of being a business like WOTC that has to take risks to keep making new things: You have to pick Themes to play up, and sometimes people Hate Your Theme. Sad business. At least RTR is a very VERY strong block which will remain in Standard while INN rotates, and has a lot of things this Core Set lacks. RTR + Theros should hopefully be a good format. Does the New Chandra not interest you in the slightest?
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
The problem I have with Domestication is that it just feels like a big middle finger to people. Let's reprint an uncommon that nobody wants in a mass produced set but let's bump it to rare.
They could have easily come up with a new control magic that while not feeling rare per se, could have not been printed before like 2UUU, Gain control of target creature as long as it's power is no greater then the number of islands you control. Like a one shot Vedalken Shackles.
are way better
With this one i would be mad about kkkk
Realy Domestication is a good card it doesn't see much modern and comander play but is fine for T2
Stop conplaining without playing the cards.
Domestication was fine last time during RoE standard and limited.
I give your review a 7/10. Some of your points just don't make sense to me, but seeing all of them next to each other caused me to lose a little bit of the benefit of the doubts I was giving WOTC when I looked at each question in isolation. The missing Tribal Lords, on top of the Wraths and Duals, hurts a lot. Basically, I see why and how it came about: Quite a lot is riding on this set's Slivers. And...well....the Slivers Flopped. Imagine a strange alternate world where you Loved these Slivers- we would just think of them as the New Tribe we really want to play, and that's 'why no normal lords?' These are one of the risks of being a business like WOTC that has to take risks to keep making new things: You have to pick Themes to play up, and sometimes people Hate Your Theme. Sad business. At least RTR is a very VERY strong block which will remain in Standard while INN rotates, and has a lot of things this Core Set lacks. RTR + Theros should hopefully be a good format. Does the New Chandra not interest you in the slightest?
Which of my points don't make sense, exactly? On a few points you disagreed with:
-"Knockoff Slivers". I call them knockoffs because of the article that talked about how they originally weren't even slivers until people in development kept pointing out how they function exactly like slivers and asked why they're not just called Slivers in the first place. So they actually did start off as "knockoff" Slivers.
-On bad rare reprints. I'm ok if Wizards wants to reprint stuff like Nightmare and Shivan dragon. That's ok. I'm a dragon collector, and Nightmare was one of my first rares at a trump card in my deck. But they really should consider giving them the Serra Angel/Sengir Vampire treatment and downgrade them to uncommon if they have to reprint them. Especially in a set this bland that desperately could have used those rare slots for better new/reprint rares.
-Planeswalker Reprints. I'd rather have seen Ajani Goldmane, Jace Beleren and Liliana Vess over Caller of the Pride, Memory Adept and Dark Realms. I think Baby Jace is perfectly fair, especially in this environment where your opponent can open with Burning Tree, Burning Tree, Burning Tree, Flinthoof. Ajani Goldmane doesn't do too much on his own either, but he could revive the Token strategy until Innistrad rotates. At least he'd have a better chance of seeing play than Caller. I personally just hate Dark Realms (artwork and restrictive abilities and lame Ultimate), so I'd rather see Vess. The only good thing is that another printing of Dark Realms will push her price low enough for me to finally buy one since she's the only Planeswalker I don't have.
Did anyone else realize that with the release of M14, Standard will be at the largest pool it's had since Shards was legal?
Six large sets --> (249)(6) = 1494
Two small sets (Dark Ascension and Dragon's Maze) --> (171)(2) = 342
for a whopping 1836 cards available until the rotation.
It is the biggest since M10 came in, but your estimate is about 200 cards bigger than the real size due to counting many reprints multiple times. The actual size etc discussed here: http://mtgfacts.tumblr.com/post/54952582622/cards-count
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People a set power is in common and uncommon if some "bad" card is a MR or regular rare then you all should be happy (unless you have bad luck).
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I would draft 5th Edition instead. Both M14 and 5E are weak, but 5E had more variation (450 cards) and more combat tricks from Broken Visage to Giant Growth to Ray of Command
Besides draft, I also missed the Standard environment. I came through the Tempest era, and I missed the Draw-Go deck, when 5E's Nevinyrral's Disk was absolutely essential, not to mention the pesky Force Spike and the omnipotent original Counterspell. And let's not forget Force Spike too. AND Power Sink. Heck, even Dancing Scimitar saw play.
I still don't understand why they went through the fanfare of cutting Giant Spider from M13, only to bring him back for M14. Either don't cut him in the first place, or keep him retired. Now he's like Joe Montana in a KC Chiefs uniform.
My biggest beef with this set is it feels like wizards going through the motions. It seem very uninspiring. I think you can slow down or lower power level of set without being so boring.
I agree with Ranma. There isn't really much here to get excited about.
I will say I'm really glad for there being no Thragtusk or similar creature, but no good mass removal? Domestication at rare?
This set feels like a very obvious powering down of the format, and sadly, they did it in a really boring way.
Not to say there isn't stuff to love in here. Scavenging Ooze and Mutavault are nice. The mythics in here feel like actual mythics and not cash grabs. I like the hate cycle.
Overall, this set has me questioning whether I'll attend the prerelease.
I wonder how their logic works. Llanowar elves gets the axe for having a plane specific name yet their is two cards with darksteel in their names. How is darksteel any less plane specific than Llanowar?I'm no story expert but I'm always going to think of Mirrodin when I hear the word "Darksteel."
If you want to get technical, there are two sliver lords, one gives +1/+1 and the other +3/+3.
If you want to get technical, all slivers are lords. Very few of the creatures that were printed with creature type lord before they got rid of it actually gave power and toughness boosts to their relevant tribe.
I wonder how their logic works. Llanowar elves gets the axe for having a plane specific name yet their is two cards with darksteel in their names. How is darksteel any less plane specific than Llanowar?I'm no story expert but I'm always going to think of Mirrodin when I hear the word "Darksteel."
They should create a rule allowing cards from other formats that differs only in name, the rest is equal. So the game will count them as they had the same name (only 4 copies at total). Players will be happier.
I wonder how their logic works. Llanowar elves gets the axe for having a plane specific name yet their is two cards with darksteel in their names. How is darksteel any less plane specific than Llanowar?I'm no story expert but I'm always going to think of Mirrodin when I hear the word "Darksteel."
LLanowar Elves also got cut because of the artwork. It doesn't look like a MTG druid, and it only depicts a single elf despite the plural on the card name.
LLanowar Elves also got cut because of the artwork. It doesn't look like a MTG druid, and it only depicts a single elf despite the plural on the card name.
Sometimes I feel like the word "interactivity" around here is akin to the word "electrolytes" in sports drinks. The public doesn't really know what it means, but they figure it's a good thing to have.
To quote a friend, in response to "X color/achetype got shafted!":
LOOK, NOT EVERY ARCHETYPE CAN DOMINATE IN EVERY STANDARD ENVIRONMENT. SHUT UP AND PLAY KITCHEN TABLE TOP OR MODERN OR SOMETHING IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FORCE YOUR PET DECKS.
Plenty of people claiming red got shafted (even with new chandra, young pyromancer, color hater, and phoenix reprint).
The thing is it's always "oh noooo control sucks now let me cry then explain how mana leak would make standard better" then there's always control in the top 3 most popular decks of the meta, aggro being 1 or 2 just for its price. You know what? I play grixis because I like the colors. I'm going into this new standard saying "cool! doom blade!" rather than any complaints.
In every single standard season:
Aggro will be cheap to buy
Jund will be viable
U/x control will be viable
and all of them will post good results even if at varying levels. And new cards from the core set aren't destroying any archetypes - I'm sure theros is going to do fine for anything that got ignored this set...
Innistrad focused on unconventional tribes, but Elvish Archdruid was still in M12.
They could have easily come up with a new control magic that while not feeling rare per se, could have not been printed before like 2UUU, Gain control of target creature as long as it's power is no greater then the number of islands you control. Like a one shot Vedalken Shackles.
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Modern: U/R Delver, RUG Scapeshift, Pod
Standard: Jeskai Tempo
Legacy: Dredge, Burn
Pauper: Mono-U Delver
EDH: Ghave, Token Master
-So many of the card choices just seem completely random and out of nowhere.
-Key coreset cards like dual lands and O. Ring are absent
-Horrible reprint choices (Nightmare, RARE Domestication, Shivan Dragon)
-Planar Cleansing is the best boardwipe we get in a fast, aggro-dominated format
-Sliver ripoffs that were such blatant knockoffs of slivers that they just got renamed to Slivers
-No new Sliver "lord", despite hints of there being one (at least, that was my understanding)
-No lords of any kind. Was hoping for some obscure tribe lords that would foreshadow creature types from Theros (Minotaur, for example)
-No 3CC Garruk and Chandra (I know they could have potentially been too good or flat out terrible, but I wanted to complete the cycle!)
-Terrible Lili, Ajani and Jace reprints
-Nothing to really help boost Rav's multicolor theme.
-Lots of terrible Minotaurs (Come on, it's obvious that they're going to be a tribe in Theros. Why not give us some interesting ones instead of bland limited filler?)
-Choosing to reprint Darksteel Forge, which was already reprinted once, as the token expensive casual/EDH artifact card instead of Crucible of Worlds
Sad stuff indeed. It was nice of them to reprint Mutavault and Ooze, but that's about it. I'm happy for a few of the bomby mythics like Primeval Bounty, Kalonian Hydra and Rise of the Dark Realms for EDH, and a few of the new cards that look fun (Shadowborn stuff, Xanthrid Necromancer, Young Pyromancer, Resonator and Ajani's Chosen). But none of that will give me something to build a new Standard deck with, or help my old ones out (except Pyromancer who has made my Izzet deck very happy).
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I can only hope that the creature types that have been forgotten about get some love.
I give your review a 7/10. Some of your points just don't make sense to me, but seeing all of them next to each other caused me to lose a little bit of the benefit of the doubts I was giving WOTC when I looked at each question in isolation. The missing Tribal Lords, on top of the Wraths and Duals, hurts a lot. Basically, I see why and how it came about: Quite a lot is riding on this set's Slivers. And...well....the Slivers Flopped. Imagine a strange alternate world where you Loved these Slivers- we would just think of them as the New Tribe we really want to play, and that's 'why no normal lords?' These are one of the risks of being a business like WOTC that has to take risks to keep making new things: You have to pick Themes to play up, and sometimes people Hate Your Theme. Sad business. At least RTR is a very VERY strong block which will remain in Standard while INN rotates, and has a lot of things this Core Set lacks. RTR + Theros should hopefully be a good format. Does the New Chandra not interest you in the slightest?
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I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
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are way betterWith this one i would be mad about kkkk
Realy Domestication is a good card it doesn't see much modern and comander play but is fine for T2
Stop conplaining without playing the cards.
Domestication was fine last time during RoE standard and limited.
Which of my points don't make sense, exactly? On a few points you disagreed with:
-"Knockoff Slivers". I call them knockoffs because of the article that talked about how they originally weren't even slivers until people in development kept pointing out how they function exactly like slivers and asked why they're not just called Slivers in the first place. So they actually did start off as "knockoff" Slivers.
-On bad rare reprints. I'm ok if Wizards wants to reprint stuff like Nightmare and Shivan dragon. That's ok. I'm a dragon collector, and Nightmare was one of my first rares at a trump card in my deck. But they really should consider giving them the Serra Angel/Sengir Vampire treatment and downgrade them to uncommon if they have to reprint them. Especially in a set this bland that desperately could have used those rare slots for better new/reprint rares.
-Planeswalker Reprints. I'd rather have seen Ajani Goldmane, Jace Beleren and Liliana Vess over Caller of the Pride, Memory Adept and Dark Realms. I think Baby Jace is perfectly fair, especially in this environment where your opponent can open with Burning Tree, Burning Tree, Burning Tree, Flinthoof. Ajani Goldmane doesn't do too much on his own either, but he could revive the Token strategy until Innistrad rotates. At least he'd have a better chance of seeing play than Caller. I personally just hate Dark Realms (artwork and restrictive abilities and lame Ultimate), so I'd rather see Vess. The only good thing is that another printing of Dark Realms will push her price low enough for me to finally buy one since she's the only Planeswalker I don't have.
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It is the biggest since M10 came in, but your estimate is about 200 cards bigger than the real size due to counting many reprints multiple times. The actual size etc discussed here: http://mtgfacts.tumblr.com/post/54952582622/cards-count
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People a set power is in common and uncommon if some "bad" card is a MR or regular rare then you all should be happy (unless you have bad luck).
Look at http://magiccards.info/roe/en.html
I would draft 5th Edition instead. Both M14 and 5E are weak, but 5E had more variation (450 cards) and more combat tricks from Broken Visage to Giant Growth to Ray of Command
Besides draft, I also missed the Standard environment. I came through the Tempest era, and I missed the Draw-Go deck, when 5E's Nevinyrral's Disk was absolutely essential, not to mention the pesky Force Spike and the omnipotent original Counterspell. And let's not forget Force Spike too. AND Power Sink. Heck, even Dancing Scimitar saw play.
Back then, just throw in 4 Counterspell Mana Leak Forbid Nevinyrral's Disk Force Spike Dissipate Impulse, 2 Dismiss Rainbow Efreet Whisper of the Muse, and a healthy mix of Quicksand Wasteland Stalking Stones Island and you have a deck. Just add some Capsize in the sideboard. Mono-Blue control is so very dead now. What a disappointment towards MTG 20th anniversary.
I will say I'm really glad for there being no Thragtusk or similar creature, but no good mass removal? Domestication at rare?
This set feels like a very obvious powering down of the format, and sadly, they did it in a really boring way.
Not to say there isn't stuff to love in here. Scavenging Ooze and Mutavault are nice. The mythics in here feel like actual mythics and not cash grabs. I like the hate cycle.
Overall, this set has me questioning whether I'll attend the prerelease.
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If you want to get technical, all slivers are lords. Very few of the creatures that were printed with creature type lord before they got rid of it actually gave power and toughness boosts to their relevant tribe.
They should create a rule allowing cards from other formats that differs only in name, the rest is equal. So the game will count them as they had the same name (only 4 copies at total). Players will be happier.
Just to clarify, it had nothing to do with the artwork.
M10 is the Core Set that introduced new cards.
M11 is the Core Set with Titans.
M12 is the Core Set with new Planeswalkers
M13 is the Core Set with Thragtusk
M14 is going to be remembered as the Core Set where they screwed up the reintroduction of slivers.
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Blessing is such a wonderfully designed card. Its not good, of course, but the design is so wonderful. I'm so happy to see it back.
Artificer's Hex is a really cool semiremoval for artifacts in black. I love it.
Blood Bairn. OMG Blood Bairn. This is so creepy and awesome and horrible all at the same time.
Gnawing Zombie feels incredibly creepy as well. Love it!
I hope Tenacious Dead is a reference to Tenacious D. I hinge my faith in humanity on that.
You can't look at Barrage of Expendables art and feel bad about the set.
There is a card called Dragon Egg. All arguments against a set introducing a real to god Dragon Egg card are invalid.
I love the reference to Enormous Baloth's flavor text on Kalonian Hydra.
And the new Millstone art is nifty. Very interestingly flavorful.
In summary, maybe this core set won't change the power level of the game like the last two, but there is a lot of good in it.
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Freaking thundermaw kids.
The thing is it's always "oh noooo control sucks now let me cry then explain how mana leak would make standard better" then there's always control in the top 3 most popular decks of the meta, aggro being 1 or 2 just for its price. You know what? I play grixis because I like the colors. I'm going into this new standard saying "cool! doom blade!" rather than any complaints.
In every single standard season:
Aggro will be cheap to buy
Jund will be viable
U/x control will be viable
and all of them will post good results even if at varying levels. And new cards from the core set aren't destroying any archetypes - I'm sure theros is going to do fine for anything that got ignored this set...
Freaking Counterspell kids.