Even though some of these are odd, they don't top door to nothingness/battle of wits in core set.
actualy darksteel forge does.
its an absolutly unplayable card. which just does NOTHING for standard. there is not a single artifact in the game, which would make this thing useful.
its an absolutly unplayable card. which just does NOTHING for standard. there is not a single artifact in the game, which would make this thing useful.
i still highly doubt this is real.
They print a lot of unplayable things at rare/mythic that do nothing for standard. Darksteel Forge being unplayable in your average deck really doesn't stand out at all.
Getting it into play is no problem whatsoever for some non-standard decks.
That would give black 4 mythics though, and since we have at least one mythic artifact, it is unlikely they short one color a mythic and then give another color a "surplus". This is all assuming that thoughtsieze is actually in the set.
Maro has been talking recently about the weakness of black and its need for an upgrade, according to his tumblr.
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I still think Darksteel Forge is M14's Akroma's Memorial. Something printed for the benefit of people looking for the card outside of standard and altogether disconnected from the upcoming block.
It is a bit less bomby than memorial in limited environments though.
I wouldn't be surprised if Darksteel Forge is just like an Akroma's Memorial in M13, but I think it has potential to work with Theros. I imagine a fair deal of artifacts (possibly legendary), and probably a lot of (legendary) equipment in Theros.
I am all for Millstone, it was probably my first favorite card that I have never owned.
Not sure why everyone is going nuts over Forge reprint, it will now cost a little less and slightly easier to get a hold of, even if you can't play with it competitively at your FNM you can still be glad a card got a needed reprint.
I still think Darksteel Forge is M14's Akroma's Memorial. Something printed for the benefit of people looking for the card outside of standard and altogether disconnected from the upcoming block.
It is a bit less bomby than memorial in limited environments though.
It (Darksteel Forge) is also a bit more disconnected. I mean, if you ramp hard enough you can casually toss Akroma's Memorial in your deck. I've been blind sided by it a couple times when neither I or the opponent could break board parity. It's..doable. Darksteel Forge on the other hand demands a deck type. I just feel like it isn't a card you'd toss into any set unless you were planning on following it up with something.
Millstone! Yay! I haven't seen that card in awhile. Darksteel Forge seems like an interesting choice for a reprint... Odd since there is no real artifacts that make an impact right now. I'm happy Duress is returning; probably one of my favorite discard spells, plus I love the art. You can't beat good commons. I'm very intrigued to see why Darksteel Forge was reprinted though. Then again, Wizards reprints lords in core sets when there are very few playable cards for that tribe in standard at that time. Who knows.
EDIT: I wonder if they reprinted Darksteel Forge merely for the fact that it grants indestructible which changed the way it looked in cards. Which brings me to another good point. How does the new indestructible look on artifacts? Since artifacts aren't creatures I think it would be weird to have them be indestructible like an evergreen condition keyword.
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I honestly don't know why they changed it. I think it was worded fine before and it made sense to the English language when something was indestructible and not has indestructible. Idk. Maybe I am just picky. On another note, off topic slightly, I am hoping we see at least one new playable indestructible creature to show off the new wording of the keyword or mechanic or whatever indestructible is now. Finger's crossed!
Forge is a $10 card. I am glad it is getting a reprint, not because I think it is expensive, bit just because I would like to have some copies as it seems to have value somewhere.
Millstone is a perfectly fine card for a core set. Not the most efficient thing ever, but it'll do. Pretty sure it gets a downgrade to uncommon at the very least, though.
Darksteel Forge baffles, on the other hand. Unless there's a sliver that makes all of your slivers into artifacts (which would be kinda cool and janky), I don't see the use. I can't help but wonder if the source meant Darksteel Reactor, which is a casual combo with Vorel of the Hull Clade.
While I'm stoked to see Forge, since I absolutely love simple yet powerful cards like that, I'm so dissapointed that they're changing indestructible to a keyword. The wording on the new Forge is quite lame compared to the old one, I'd probably pay 3x as much for the old one.
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For the people saying forge doesn't make sense because it needs a deck built for it, battle of wits was in core. Now that is the definition of a build around card that was unplayable in limited and yet they still did it.
I will take the reprint of Forge, not sure why people don't believe it's being REPRINTED in a core set????? That is what core sets are for. Besides, I could use another
Did anyone really see Mutavault coming? Most people I talk to didn't but they are all happy for a reprint.
the thing is forge is: its such a specific card, it supports artifacts and was only shown in an artifact only block. so why would they reprint it at a time with nearly zero artifacts around.. but nvm... i dont care as long as its not mythic or some **** like that. hopefuly it gets uncommon^^
Oh I get you. However Akroma's Memorial wasn't really needed in M13 as others have said.
I think it's clear that WotC new policy of making older cards more accessible to newer players means we are going to be scratching our heads wondering why some cards are being included, especially if they have no support for standard. Also, we have no idea if Theros will be artifact heavy or not.
actualy darksteel forge does.
its an absolutly unplayable card. which just does NOTHING for standard. there is not a single artifact in the game, which would make this thing useful.
i still highly doubt this is real.
They print a lot of unplayable things at rare/mythic that do nothing for standard. Darksteel Forge being unplayable in your average deck really doesn't stand out at all.
Getting it into play is no problem whatsoever for some non-standard decks.
Maro has been talking recently about the weakness of black and its need for an upgrade, according to his tumblr.
Just another wasted slot. Is this even a 1st - 3rd turn pick in limited drafts?
On a different note, reprinting Darksteel Forge may mean there might be a lot of artifacts in Threos.
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It is a bit less bomby than memorial in limited environments though.
Not sure why everyone is going nuts over Forge reprint, it will now cost a little less and slightly easier to get a hold of, even if you can't play with it competitively at your FNM you can still be glad a card got a needed reprint.
It (Darksteel Forge) is also a bit more disconnected. I mean, if you ramp hard enough you can casually toss Akroma's Memorial in your deck. I've been blind sided by it a couple times when neither I or the opponent could break board parity. It's..doable. Darksteel Forge on the other hand demands a deck type. I just feel like it isn't a card you'd toss into any set unless you were planning on following it up with something.
EDIT: I wonder if they reprinted Darksteel Forge merely for the fact that it grants indestructible which changed the way it looked in cards. Which brings me to another good point. How does the new indestructible look on artifacts? Since artifacts aren't creatures I think it would be weird to have them be indestructible like an evergreen condition keyword.
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Artifacts you control have indestructible?
I honestly don't know why they changed it. I think it was worded fine before and it made sense to the English language when something was indestructible and not has indestructible. Idk. Maybe I am just picky. On another note, off topic slightly, I am hoping we see at least one new playable indestructible creature to show off the new wording of the keyword or mechanic or whatever indestructible is now. Finger's crossed!
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Darksteel Forge baffles, on the other hand. Unless there's a sliver that makes all of your slivers into artifacts (which would be kinda cool and janky), I don't see the use. I can't help but wonder if the source meant Darksteel Reactor, which is a casual combo with Vorel of the Hull Clade.
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Did anyone really see Mutavault coming? Most people I talk to didn't but they are all happy for a reprint.
I think it's clear that WotC new policy of making older cards more accessible to newer players means we are going to be scratching our heads wondering why some cards are being included, especially if they have no support for standard. Also, we have no idea if Theros will be artifact heavy or not.