Until Jeebus said Thoughtseize was going to be in M14, I figured since the MM spoiler that Mutavault would be in M14 because of slivers and Thoughtseize in Theros with new art. I don't think Durress removes thoughtseize from standard or the core set since Wizards doesn't seem to mind redundancy...also, they are reprinting giant growth in the core set when it is in Ravinca, they are reprinting "Slivers" that do not look or function like Slivers, and they chose these mythics...is anyone really surprised by questionable decisions in M14 anymore?
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Darksteel Forge is a Timmy/Johnny card that doesn't need an artifact rich environment to be liked and appreciated by its target audience. The existence of such a card is a challenge to a certain type of player. As has been said many times and many ways, not every card in a set is printed for Standard/Modern/competitive play.
sorry but even if you are a mod, i cant believe that.
why the hell would they reprint darksteel forge without any artifacts, you could use with it.
The card is mostly only used for casual play anyways so it's not like it matters that they would reprint it in an environment with few artifacts. Yeah it's a crap rare for limited but there are always crap rares in every limited environment.
Seems highly unlikely that this is true unless Theros has a large Artifct theme, which doesn't really fit the flavor very well.
Sorry to beat a dead horse but:
The Armor of Achilles, created by Hephaestus and said to be impenetrable except at the heel. (Greek mythology)
The Helm of Darkness (or Cap of Invisibility), created by the Cyclopes for Hades. It made the wearer invisible. Also used by Perseus. (Greek mythology) The Aegis, Zeus' shield, often loaned to his daughter Athena, also used by Perseus. (Greek mythology) Ancile, Shield of the roman god Mars. (Roman mythology) Shield of Achilles (greek) Shield of Ajax (greek)
Hades Pitchfork The Bident (greek) Zeus Trident Zeus' power was omnipotent and he didn't need an instrument to use his power, but he is often associated with his trident. Also his power (along with Hades) was used to enslave the titans in Tartarus. (greek) Poseidon's Trident, used to create horses and some water sources in Greece. It could cause earthquakes when struck on the ground. (Greek) Apollo's bow, which could cause health or cause famine and death in sleep. (Greek and Roman mythology) Artemis's bow, crafted by moonlight and silver wood or made of gold.(Greek and Roman mythology) Heracles's bow, which also belonged to Philoctetes, its arrows had the Lernaean Hydra poison in them. (Greek mythology) Caduceus, the staff carried by Hermes (or Mercury). It is a short staff entwined by two serpents, sometimes surmounted by wings. (Greek and Roman mythology) Rod of Asclepius, a serpent-entwined rod wielded by the Greek god Asclepius, a deity associated with healing and medicine. (Greek mythology) Thyrsus is a staff tipped with a pine cone and entwined with ivy leaves. These staffs were carried by Dionysus and his followers. (Greek mythology) Cronus' sickle, made of Adamantine and able to cut through anything. Cronus was given this sword by Gaia so that he could slay Uranus. (Greek mythology)
The Thunderbolts of Zeus, given to him by the Cyclopes in Greek mythology, or by Vulcan in Roman mythology. Harpe, the sword used by Perseus to decapitate the Medusa. (Greek mythology) Sword of Attila, the legendary sword that was wielded by Attila the Hun; claimed to have originally been the sword of Mars, the Roman god of war or Ares the greek god of war. (Greek and Roman) Sword of Peleus, a magic sword that makes its wielder victorious in the battle or the hunt. (Greek mythology) Aphrodite's Magic Girdle, a magic material that made whoever you desired fall in love with you. (Greek mythology) The Girdle of Hippolyta, sometimes called a magical girdle and sometimes a magical belt. It was a symbol of Hippolyta's power over the Amazons; given to her by Ares. Heracles' 9th Labor was to retrieve it. (Greek mythology) The Hide of Leviathan was supposedly able to be turned into everlasting clothing or impenetrable suits of armor. (greek and roman) The Hide of the Nemean lion, which Heracles earned overcoming the Nemean lion, was supposedly able to endure every weapon and was unbreakable. (Greek mythology) Talaria, Hermes' winged sandals which allowed him to fly. (Greek mythology) Necklace of Harmonia, allowed any woman wearing it to remain eternally young and beautiful, but also brought great misfortune to all of its wearers or owners. It was made by Hephaestus and given to Harmonia, the daughter of Aphrodite and Ares, as a curse on the House of Thebes for Aphrodite's infidelity. (Greek mythology) Ring of Gyges is a mythical magical artifact that granted its owner the power to become invisible at will. Sounds familiar...... (Greek mythology, Tolkien) The Argo, the ship of the Argonauts. Its bow could talk and it had the power of prophecy. (Greek mythology) The Chariot of the Sea, the oceanic chariot teamed by hippocampi and/or dolphins, driven across the sky by the Greek god Poseidon. The Chariot of the Sun, the fiery chariot driven across the sky by the Greek god Helios. The Golden Fleece, sought by Jason and the Argonauts. (Greek mythology) Pandora's box, the sealed box that contained all the evils of mankind. (Greek mythology) The Sibylline Books described to have helped Rome in vast situations. (roman) The Apple of Discord, the goddess Eris inscribed "to the fairest" and tossed in the midst of the festivities at the wedding of Peleus and Thetis. (Greek mythology) The Clue of Ariadne, the magical ball of string given to Theseus by Ariadne to help him navigate the Labyrinth. (Greek Mythology) The Cornucopia, or "Horn of Plenty", was the horn of the goat-nymph Amalthea from which poured an unceasing abundance of nectar, ambrosia and fruit. (Greek mythology) The Palladium was a wooden statue that fell from the sky. As long as it stayed in Troy, the city-state could not lose a war. (Greek mythology) Winnowing Oar is an object that appears in Books XI and XXIII of Homer's Odyssey. (Greek mythology)
To name a few
Also assuming that Theros is mythology-based, what's to say the next two expansions won't be?
Norse mythology anyone?
Want to equip the armor of Thor? Megingjörð a belt that doubled his strength, Járngreipr the iron glove used to wield his ultimate hammer Mjolnir
This set could have a MAJOR artifact influence and that's stating it lightly. WotC could just be laying the foundation for things to come and it wouldn't be the first time a core set card's true worth wasn't realized until a couple expacs in.
Anyone wanting to research any of the items can head here to do it.
"If fetch lands are reprinted I really believe they will be in allied colors (aka Onslaught fetches). If the fetch lands are reprinted you better believe that we'll all be fetching up basics. This would lead me to believe that the set after THS may have a reprint as the temples can't be fetched but it's pure speculation." - posted 03/22/2014 proved correct during Khans spoiler season.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
"If fetch lands are reprinted I really believe they will be in allied colors (aka Onslaught fetches). If the fetch lands are reprinted you better believe that we'll all be fetching up basics. This would lead me to believe that the set after THS may have a reprint as the temples can't be fetched but it's pure speculation." - posted 03/22/2014 proved correct during Khans spoiler season.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Have any of you considered that maybe just maybe some cards they reprint aren't aimed at the current standard meta? They just reprinted a bunch of modern staples, even named a set after the format, perhaps WoTC is looking at other formats/future metas when they reprint a card like Darksteel Forge.
I want that damned annoying owl from clash of the titans.
Haha! Maybe we'll get an Ornithopter reprint! I can see some type of artifact that represents the achievements of Daedalus and/or his son, Icarus', journey with wax wings.
I tend to believe that Darksteel Forge's reprint is plausible because Wizards recently made Indestructible a keyword.
Have any of you considered that maybe just maybe some cards they reprint aren't aimed at the current standard meta? They just reprinted a bunch of modern staples, even named a set after the format, perhaps WoTC is looking at other formats/future metas when they reprint a card like Darksteel Forge.
To be fair, while I agree with your idea that Wizards is probably just putting cards out there to increase circulation that do not effect standard, your example is off. Modern Masters was the special summer set, that's like someone using Commander's Arsenal as an example of it does make sense Darksteel Forge was reprinted because cards that don't fit standard were there in that set, so it is okay that this does not fit. M14 is an actual standard-legal set that is generally geared towards standard and providing a lot of staples to provide staples that supplement various archetypes, cards such as doomblade or cancel. Darksteel Forge would then make more sense being around an artifact set, but as some mentioned earlier perhaps they didn't reprint it then because they feared it would be too powerful.
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And please get rid of that "if you can't afford a 40$ card, Magic isn't right for you"-attitude. It's highly insulting and unnecessary
Well, it's the truth. I can't afford a Corvette, so I don't buy one. I don't go complaining to the company that they should make millions and millions of them so that I can buy one for 12k, I just don't buy it. Plain and simple. You can either afford something or you can't. The complaining about it is what is highly insulting and unnecessary. You have a choice to play the game. If you can't afford certain cards, don't complain about it. You chose to play, no one forced you.
A good couple of reprints if this pans out, and I'll go T1 duress, T3 flashback duress all day for those 3 months I get to
.....because you couldn't have done this for the last 11 months to begin with? Duress has been standard legal as it was in M13. Nothing new here being able to T1 Duress, Turn 3 Snapcaster + Duress.
I find Darksteel Forge very odd, but WotC has been doing this for EDH players recently. They also likely didn't want to put it into MM.
if true what meeh reprints, forge would probably be for EDH only, wished they had just reprinted Inquisition of Koziliek or hopefully thoughtsieze is still in.
This thread is full of idiots... Lightning Bolt is NOT being reprinted.
Many times has a writer in Wizards said so, because of the plain and simple fact that it's too powerful for what it costs. x/3 creatures shouldn't be able to die at instant speed for one mana without a signifigant drawback. (like PTE giving you a land)
I absolutely guarantee that LB will not be printed in M10, and you can quote me on that.
So the new wording would be "Artifacts have indestructible" or "Artifacts have indestructibility"? It takes me a little while to get used to word changings thanks to rules updates.
So the new wording would be "Artifacts have indestructible" or "Artifacts have indestructibility"? It takes me a little while to get used to word changings thanks to rules updates.
"have indestructible" just as something would say "has shroud" or "has hexproof"
wouldn't be "has shroudiness"
If they wanted to print more Darksteel Forge, why wouldn't they just do so in Modern Masters?
"have indestructible" just as something would say "has shroud" or "has hexproof"
wouldn't be "has shroudiness"
If they wanted to print more Darksteel Forge, why wouldn't they just do so in Modern Masters?
I think it would be more like "Creatures you control are shrouded" Hexproof would stay the same since it's kinda the same as indestructible from a grammar point of view. "Creatures are hexproof" "Creatures are indestructible" etc.... Also I agree with the guy who's waiting for "mill" to be keyworded.
"If fetch lands are reprinted I really believe they will be in allied colors (aka Onslaught fetches). If the fetch lands are reprinted you better believe that we'll all be fetching up basics. This would lead me to believe that the set after THS may have a reprint as the temples can't be fetched but it's pure speculation." - posted 03/22/2014 proved correct during Khans spoiler season.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Not sure if Thoughtseize was actually confirmed confirmed or what, but does anyone else feel a little icky about having Duress AND Thoughtseize in this core set? I feel like the presence of one precludes the other...
I think it would be more like "Creatures you control are shrouded" Hexproof would stay the same since it's kinda the same as indestructible from a grammar point of view. "Creatures are hexproof" "Creatures are indestructible" etc.... Also I agree with the guy who's waiting for "mill" to be keyworded.
Not sure if Thoughtseize was actually confirmed confirmed or what, but does anyone else feel a little icky about having Duress AND Thoughtseize in this core set? I feel like the presence of one precludes the other...
Isn't it icky having birds and elves in the same core set?
Because it is a solid casual reprint and core sets are great for that.
VIVA LA CASUAL!
Not only that, but Core Sets, I think, should often be directly used to counter Power Creep, by going Back To Basics.
I'm not sure if Wizards is doing 'exactly' this or not. They seem to be favoring 'Commander' when it comes to...well a lot of things. Which is partly a good thing and partly a bad thing:
Good Thing: Big Splashy effects are FUN. Inefficient Mana costs is "Fun in the meta-sense that, even though we rarely directly think about it, we like it when the Game isn't Too Spike". M10 brought us here by focusing on "Resonance."
The next good move for the Core Set is "Rusticness". Have the cards be "Useful in Played Formats", but, for example, Liliana of the Veil and Ajani, Caller of the Pride are not "Core worthy" in my book- they are a little too Spike and support Power Creep.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor is...very MELVIN, very POWERFUL, BUT I consider his 4-mana cost to be "Not Spike- you don't have to be Spike to be Good In Tournaments". AND he's ridiculously Iconic, and needs a Reprint...but the Core is bad for him only because he's Bad for Standard. I am so so close to thinking he's alright for the Core Set, but....just....not. really. quite.
NO.
I like him a LOT in Commander, which is halfway between Modern and Legacy. He's so extremely ICONIC BLUE, in a way that only himself and Arcanis the Omnipotent are. Either could take each other's place in a set and have it 'look right.' I'm not sure why I think Jace isn't Spike. Maybe he is too much for his CMC. UUUU would fix that.
Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded may cost 2, but he sucks, so he's OKay in the Core Set.
Jace Beleren I would say is the hardest for me to decide. I -personally- think he could be alright to match my notions of "Core", but other people that can tell me to "check yoself" might tell me that, judging by other sortings, Jace 1.0 is a little too "sharp-edged", just a little bit too much Spike, to be OK for the Core.
Bad Thing: A kind of overload on High Cost, High Effect cards, can get too caught up with itself and they might forget to make PERFECTLY GOOD, OLD SERVICEABLE cards, that do a very primitive, basic thing.
You know Millstone could have been Font of Mythos just as easily? I hope we never fully grow out of some cards-- I hope that the Core Set is regularly used to bring us "Back to Basics" by printing cards that easily could have been in, or WERE, in Alpha. Stuff that, frankly, is too low on ''Opportunity Cost" (see MaRo's Ornithopter Column) to ever be that great in Commander, but which are actually really really good mainstays of
"That loose thing which is a mixish of Standard and Legacy called Building on a Budget, or with Whatever the Heck is in our pockets, including our old collected random cards, back when we were trying to collect The Broken Necro Deck, The Broken Affinity Deck, or The Broken (insert Outdated Deck that pillaged and raped Standard here but sucks where it's cardlist is allowed) Deck.
I hope we get Millstone again, or Howling Mine, in 2015 too, because it's a REALLY good card for making a Core Set feel Alpha-y. Also, Serra Angel needs to be bumped up to Rare and given Double strike as errata to replace First strike. In such a way so that all previous Serra Angels now have Double Strike. Because I want the card to be named "Serra Angel" and will ask that the laws of Magic and Physics be bent to suit my whims. I have never had much respect for what my ideas mean for the Comprehensive Rulebook, and keep redesigning Barry's Land as well. My last idea for it was to call it the Blind Eternities and have it Sac instead of Tap. It would be basically the Land version of Lotus Petal, for colorless only. And it would not have Basic, because it's just not a BASIC Land, but it looks like a cool CORE common Land. Slight, tiny difference. Also would be printed as if it were a Basic, appear in that slot in Boosters, be added to the Basic Land pack of Fat Packs, but still just not have the Basic Type.
I know this all random and SOARINGLY off Topic, but do you people think Jace 2.0 is more Spike, more Melvin, or more "what Blue calls Timmy" ? A "Smasher" of sorts whose CMC/cost-benefits-vulnerabilities are mostly reasonable? It's hard to say about Crazy Blue cards, because the win the game SLOWLY, no matter how inevitably. . . :/
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
I think it would be more like "Creatures you control are shrouded" Hexproof would stay the same since it's kinda the same as indestructible from a grammar point of view. "Creatures are hexproof" "Creatures are indestructible" etc.... Also I agree with the guy who's waiting for "mill" to be keyworded.
They always use have. You can see it on many cards wit all kinds of keywords. About mill MaRo stated exactly the opposite: it's never going to be keyworded "mill"
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Not sure if Thoughtseize was actually confirmed confirmed or what, but does anyone else feel a little icky about having Duress AND Thoughtseize in this core set? I feel like the presence of one precludes the other...
Isn't it icky having birds and elves in the same core set?
The Core Set has always either had Birds + Elves, or one of those + Archdruid, or something else, *in addition to Green mana or land producing spells*, so that a critical mass is present and a Mono Green Stompy Deck can pretty easily be built. Different Core Sets can make different ones, but any two adjacent Core Sets (9th + Xth; M12 + M13) have been able to make Really Good casual decks of this kind.
It's a pretty casual Archetype.
We have not had the same pattern of a large amount of Discard in single Core Set. While it's as Symbolic of Black as Mana is to Green, it's also quite a bit more powerful to base your deck around Hypnotic Specter than it is to base your deck around Llanowar Elves.
4x Duress
4x Thoughtseize
4x Hypnotic Specter - a card normally I think considered 'on its way out' Power Creep wise- therefore a card that, in a Core Set WITHOUT Thoughtseize, we could almost expect to see at Uncommon now,
would be enough cheap-to-cast Discard in a single set, that the actual Standard environment we end up seeing might have a VERY powerful Discard deck of some kind.
Further, coming off of Innistrad Block (rotating I know), and Return to Ravnica (stays around even post-Theros release), those Discard spells can actually be used to help yourself as well as harming your opponent.
I think it is safe to say that Hypnotic Specter flatly can't be in the Core Set because it would be too much good Discard at once for both Limited and Standard. Even with Thoughtseize at 'Rare', the margin of error on Control is unforgiving: If you're wrong by a little bit, it can really really screw over gameplay a lot.
Just Thoughtseize and Duress? fine, but Thoughtseize is going to have the effect on Discard that Mana Leak did on Countering: It will pretty much be the only good spell of that kind around in Standard that you don't have to build around. We have seen a lot of weird 'build around' counters that pretty much suck outside of when they were in Standard recently.
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
I got a feeling TS will not be in M14 and be in Theros. My 3 reasons are:
1) It will be printed at mythic due to cost
2) Snapcaster and TS in standard would be too good
3) Duress is in M14
1) Wizards has stated previously utility is not mythic, and outside of Modern Masters, mythic is reserved for splashier effects. Think about it, if Snapcaster Mage was not mythic, and thoughtseize, which has been printed when mythics existed was a rare before, it will still be a rare. If mutavault wasn't bumped to mythic, neither will Thoughtseize. It will be a chase rare, ala Tusk or Snap, which will go for 15-20, maybe a little more, maybe even a few dollars less.
2) In this world of agro and current mana fixing, it take most likely 4 life for a turn one thought seize. Assuming a check land is one of the next two, you can snap it back again turn three, but you would be taking 6 life to do so. While it is an incredibly good card, I think an aggro deck might push through the other 14 if the player is not lucky. So I think due to the life hit, Wizards would be fine with a Snapcaster/TS double dip for only three months.
3) And while I think Duress does not eliminate Thoughtseize from M14, it does decrease it's likelihood.
Originally, I felt that when MM was spoiled, it seemed clear Seize and Vault would be in the next year. Because Vault felt so synergistic with Slivers & Wizards has said Core sets are for new players and new players do not like paying life, it seemed Vault would be in M14 and Seize in Theros with new art. But after Jeebus said he had on good authority Seize would be in M14, I still will wait and see until it is fully spoiled. Would love Seize mixed into the current meta for a few months.
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Jund
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Arcum Daggson
Sharuum The Hedgemon
Mishra...Shenanigans?
The card is mostly only used for casual play anyways so it's not like it matters that they would reprint it in an environment with few artifacts. Yeah it's a crap rare for limited but there are always crap rares in every limited environment.
Sorry to beat a dead horse but:
The Armor of Achilles, created by Hephaestus and said to be impenetrable except at the heel. (Greek mythology)
The Helm of Darkness (or Cap of Invisibility), created by the Cyclopes for Hades. It made the wearer invisible. Also used by Perseus. (Greek mythology)
The Aegis, Zeus' shield, often loaned to his daughter Athena, also used by Perseus. (Greek mythology)
Ancile, Shield of the roman god Mars. (Roman mythology)
Shield of Achilles (greek)
Shield of Ajax (greek)
Hades Pitchfork The Bident (greek)
Zeus Trident Zeus' power was omnipotent and he didn't need an instrument to use his power, but he is often associated with his trident. Also his power (along with Hades) was used to enslave the titans in Tartarus. (greek)
Poseidon's Trident, used to create horses and some water sources in Greece. It could cause earthquakes when struck on the ground. (Greek)
Apollo's bow, which could cause health or cause famine and death in sleep. (Greek and Roman mythology)
Artemis's bow, crafted by moonlight and silver wood or made of gold.(Greek and Roman mythology)
Heracles's bow, which also belonged to Philoctetes, its arrows had the Lernaean Hydra poison in them. (Greek mythology)
Caduceus, the staff carried by Hermes (or Mercury). It is a short staff entwined by two serpents, sometimes surmounted by wings. (Greek and Roman mythology)
Rod of Asclepius, a serpent-entwined rod wielded by the Greek god Asclepius, a deity associated with healing and medicine. (Greek mythology)
Thyrsus is a staff tipped with a pine cone and entwined with ivy leaves. These staffs were carried by Dionysus and his followers. (Greek mythology)
Cronus' sickle, made of Adamantine and able to cut through anything. Cronus was given this sword by Gaia so that he could slay Uranus. (Greek mythology)
The Thunderbolts of Zeus, given to him by the Cyclopes in Greek mythology, or by Vulcan in Roman mythology.
Harpe, the sword used by Perseus to decapitate the Medusa. (Greek mythology)
Sword of Attila, the legendary sword that was wielded by Attila the Hun; claimed to have originally been the sword of Mars, the Roman god of war or Ares the greek god of war. (Greek and Roman)
Sword of Peleus, a magic sword that makes its wielder victorious in the battle or the hunt. (Greek mythology)
Aphrodite's Magic Girdle, a magic material that made whoever you desired fall in love with you. (Greek mythology)
The Girdle of Hippolyta, sometimes called a magical girdle and sometimes a magical belt. It was a symbol of Hippolyta's power over the Amazons; given to her by Ares. Heracles' 9th Labor was to retrieve it. (Greek mythology)
The Hide of Leviathan was supposedly able to be turned into everlasting clothing or impenetrable suits of armor. (greek and roman)
The Hide of the Nemean lion, which Heracles earned overcoming the Nemean lion, was supposedly able to endure every weapon and was unbreakable. (Greek mythology)
Talaria, Hermes' winged sandals which allowed him to fly. (Greek mythology)
Necklace of Harmonia, allowed any woman wearing it to remain eternally young and beautiful, but also brought great misfortune to all of its wearers or owners. It was made by Hephaestus and given to Harmonia, the daughter of Aphrodite and Ares, as a curse on the House of Thebes for Aphrodite's infidelity. (Greek mythology)
Ring of Gyges is a mythical magical artifact that granted its owner the power to become invisible at will. Sounds familiar...... (Greek mythology, Tolkien)
The Argo, the ship of the Argonauts. Its bow could talk and it had the power of prophecy. (Greek mythology)
The Chariot of the Sea, the oceanic chariot teamed by hippocampi and/or dolphins, driven across the sky by the Greek god Poseidon.
The Chariot of the Sun, the fiery chariot driven across the sky by the Greek god Helios.
The Golden Fleece, sought by Jason and the Argonauts. (Greek mythology)
Pandora's box, the sealed box that contained all the evils of mankind. (Greek mythology)
The Sibylline Books described to have helped Rome in vast situations. (roman)
The Apple of Discord, the goddess Eris inscribed "to the fairest" and tossed in the midst of the festivities at the wedding of Peleus and Thetis. (Greek mythology)
The Clue of Ariadne, the magical ball of string given to Theseus by Ariadne to help him navigate the Labyrinth. (Greek Mythology)
The Cornucopia, or "Horn of Plenty", was the horn of the goat-nymph Amalthea from which poured an unceasing abundance of nectar, ambrosia and fruit. (Greek mythology)
The Palladium was a wooden statue that fell from the sky. As long as it stayed in Troy, the city-state could not lose a war. (Greek mythology)
Winnowing Oar is an object that appears in Books XI and XXIII of Homer's Odyssey. (Greek mythology)
To name a few
Also assuming that Theros is mythology-based, what's to say the next two expansions won't be?
Norse mythology anyone?
Want to equip the armor of Thor? Megingjörð a belt that doubled his strength, Járngreipr the iron glove used to wield his ultimate hammer Mjolnir
This set could have a MAJOR artifact influence and that's stating it lightly. WotC could just be laying the foundation for things to come and it wouldn't be the first time a core set card's true worth wasn't realized until a couple expacs in.
Anyone wanting to research any of the items can head here to do it.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Hey you never know! I think the Judge's Familiar (non promo) art kinda looks like that owl.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Haha! Maybe we'll get an Ornithopter reprint! I can see some type of artifact that represents the achievements of Daedalus and/or his son, Icarus', journey with wax wings.
I tend to believe that Darksteel Forge's reprint is plausible because Wizards recently made Indestructible a keyword.
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To be fair, while I agree with your idea that Wizards is probably just putting cards out there to increase circulation that do not effect standard, your example is off. Modern Masters was the special summer set, that's like someone using Commander's Arsenal as an example of it does make sense Darksteel Forge was reprinted because cards that don't fit standard were there in that set, so it is okay that this does not fit. M14 is an actual standard-legal set that is generally geared towards standard and providing a lot of staples to provide staples that supplement various archetypes, cards such as doomblade or cancel. Darksteel Forge would then make more sense being around an artifact set, but as some mentioned earlier perhaps they didn't reprint it then because they feared it would be too powerful.
Jeskai Black
Modern:
Jund
Legacy:
Esper Stoneblade
EDH:
5 color slivers
Arcum Daggson
Sharuum The Hedgemon
Mishra...Shenanigans?
Well, it's the truth. I can't afford a Corvette, so I don't buy one. I don't go complaining to the company that they should make millions and millions of them so that I can buy one for 12k, I just don't buy it. Plain and simple. You can either afford something or you can't. The complaining about it is what is highly insulting and unnecessary. You have a choice to play the game. If you can't afford certain cards, don't complain about it. You chose to play, no one forced you.
Or more likely Wizards recreation of Daedalus.
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.....because you couldn't have done this for the last 11 months to begin with? Duress has been standard legal as it was in M13. Nothing new here being able to T1 Duress, Turn 3 Snapcaster + Duress.
I find Darksteel Forge very odd, but WotC has been doing this for EDH players recently. They also likely didn't want to put it into MM.
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EDH:
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"have indestructible" just as something would say "has shroud" or "has hexproof"
wouldn't be "has shroudiness"
If they wanted to print more Darksteel Forge, why wouldn't they just do so in Modern Masters?
I think it would be more like "Creatures you control are shrouded" Hexproof would stay the same since it's kinda the same as indestructible from a grammar point of view. "Creatures are hexproof" "Creatures are indestructible" etc.... Also I agree with the guy who's waiting for "mill" to be keyworded.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
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"Have hexproof"
Isn't it icky having birds and elves in the same core set?
Not only that, but Core Sets, I think, should often be directly used to counter Power Creep, by going Back To Basics.
I'm not sure if Wizards is doing 'exactly' this or not. They seem to be favoring 'Commander' when it comes to...well a lot of things. Which is partly a good thing and partly a bad thing:
Good Thing: Big Splashy effects are FUN. Inefficient Mana costs is "Fun in the meta-sense that, even though we rarely directly think about it, we like it when the Game isn't Too Spike". M10 brought us here by focusing on "Resonance."
The next good move for the Core Set is "Rusticness". Have the cards be "Useful in Played Formats", but, for example, Liliana of the Veil and Ajani, Caller of the Pride are not "Core worthy" in my book- they are a little too Spike and support Power Creep.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor is...very MELVIN, very POWERFUL, BUT I consider his 4-mana cost to be "Not Spike- you don't have to be Spike to be Good In Tournaments". AND he's ridiculously Iconic, and needs a Reprint...but the Core is bad for him only because he's Bad for Standard. I am so so close to thinking he's alright for the Core Set, but....just....not. really. quite.
NO.
I like him a LOT in Commander, which is halfway between Modern and Legacy. He's so extremely ICONIC BLUE, in a way that only himself and Arcanis the Omnipotent are. Either could take each other's place in a set and have it 'look right.' I'm not sure why I think Jace isn't Spike. Maybe he is too much for his CMC. UUUU would fix that.
Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded may cost 2, but he sucks, so he's OKay in the Core Set.
Jace Beleren I would say is the hardest for me to decide. I -personally- think he could be alright to match my notions of "Core", but other people that can tell me to "check yoself" might tell me that, judging by other sortings, Jace 1.0 is a little too "sharp-edged", just a little bit too much Spike, to be OK for the Core.
Bad Thing: A kind of overload on High Cost, High Effect cards, can get too caught up with itself and they might forget to make PERFECTLY GOOD, OLD SERVICEABLE cards, that do a very primitive, basic thing.
You know Millstone could have been Font of Mythos just as easily? I hope we never fully grow out of some cards-- I hope that the Core Set is regularly used to bring us "Back to Basics" by printing cards that easily could have been in, or WERE, in Alpha. Stuff that, frankly, is too low on ''Opportunity Cost" (see MaRo's Ornithopter Column) to ever be that great in Commander, but which are actually really really good mainstays of
"That loose thing which is a mixish of Standard and Legacy called Building on a Budget, or with Whatever the Heck is in our pockets, including our old collected random cards, back when we were trying to collect The Broken Necro Deck, The Broken Affinity Deck, or The Broken (insert Outdated Deck that pillaged and raped Standard here but sucks where it's cardlist is allowed) Deck.
I hope we get Millstone again, or Howling Mine, in 2015 too, because it's a REALLY good card for making a Core Set feel Alpha-y. Also, Serra Angel needs to be bumped up to Rare and given Double strike as errata to replace First strike. In such a way so that all previous Serra Angels now have Double Strike. Because I want the card to be named "Serra Angel" and will ask that the laws of Magic and Physics be bent to suit my whims. I have never had much respect for what my ideas mean for the Comprehensive Rulebook, and keep redesigning Barry's Land as well. My last idea for it was to call it the Blind Eternities and have it Sac instead of Tap. It would be basically the Land version of Lotus Petal, for colorless only. And it would not have Basic, because it's just not a BASIC Land, but it looks like a cool CORE common Land. Slight, tiny difference. Also would be printed as if it were a Basic, appear in that slot in Boosters, be added to the Basic Land pack of Fat Packs, but still just not have the Basic Type.
I know this all random and SOARINGLY off Topic, but do you people think Jace 2.0 is more Spike, more Melvin, or more "what Blue calls Timmy" ? A "Smasher" of sorts whose CMC/cost-benefits-vulnerabilities are mostly reasonable? It's hard to say about Crazy Blue cards, because the win the game SLOWLY, no matter how inevitably. . . :/
People need to read this fanfiction, though:
www.hpmor.com
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
They always use have. You can see it on many cards wit all kinds of keywords. About mill MaRo stated exactly the opposite: it's never going to be keyworded "mill"
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Isn't it icky having birds and elves in the same core set?
The Core Set has always either had Birds + Elves, or one of those + Archdruid, or something else, *in addition to Green mana or land producing spells*, so that a critical mass is present and a Mono Green Stompy Deck can pretty easily be built. Different Core Sets can make different ones, but any two adjacent Core Sets (9th + Xth; M12 + M13) have been able to make Really Good casual decks of this kind.
It's a pretty casual Archetype.
We have not had the same pattern of a large amount of Discard in single Core Set. While it's as Symbolic of Black as Mana is to Green, it's also quite a bit more powerful to base your deck around Hypnotic Specter than it is to base your deck around Llanowar Elves.
4x Duress
4x Thoughtseize
4x Hypnotic Specter - a card normally I think considered 'on its way out' Power Creep wise- therefore a card that, in a Core Set WITHOUT Thoughtseize, we could almost expect to see at Uncommon now,
would be enough cheap-to-cast Discard in a single set, that the actual Standard environment we end up seeing might have a VERY powerful Discard deck of some kind.
Further, coming off of Innistrad Block (rotating I know), and Return to Ravnica (stays around even post-Theros release), those Discard spells can actually be used to help yourself as well as harming your opponent.
I think it is safe to say that Hypnotic Specter flatly can't be in the Core Set because it would be too much good Discard at once for both Limited and Standard. Even with Thoughtseize at 'Rare', the margin of error on Control is unforgiving: If you're wrong by a little bit, it can really really screw over gameplay a lot.
Just Thoughtseize and Duress? fine, but Thoughtseize is going to have the effect on Discard that Mana Leak did on Countering: It will pretty much be the only good spell of that kind around in Standard that you don't have to build around. We have seen a lot of weird 'build around' counters that pretty much suck outside of when they were in Standard recently.
People need to read this fanfiction, though:
www.hpmor.com
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
1) It will be printed at mythic due to cost
2) Snapcaster and TS in standard would be too good
3) Duress is in M14
1) Wizards has stated previously utility is not mythic, and outside of Modern Masters, mythic is reserved for splashier effects. Think about it, if Snapcaster Mage was not mythic, and thoughtseize, which has been printed when mythics existed was a rare before, it will still be a rare. If mutavault wasn't bumped to mythic, neither will Thoughtseize. It will be a chase rare, ala Tusk or Snap, which will go for 15-20, maybe a little more, maybe even a few dollars less.
2) In this world of agro and current mana fixing, it take most likely 4 life for a turn one thought seize. Assuming a check land is one of the next two, you can snap it back again turn three, but you would be taking 6 life to do so. While it is an incredibly good card, I think an aggro deck might push through the other 14 if the player is not lucky. So I think due to the life hit, Wizards would be fine with a Snapcaster/TS double dip for only three months.
3) And while I think Duress does not eliminate Thoughtseize from M14, it does decrease it's likelihood.
Originally, I felt that when MM was spoiled, it seemed clear Seize and Vault would be in the next year. Because Vault felt so synergistic with Slivers & Wizards has said Core sets are for new players and new players do not like paying life, it seemed Vault would be in M14 and Seize in Theros with new art. But after Jeebus said he had on good authority Seize would be in M14, I still will wait and see until it is fully spoiled. Would love Seize mixed into the current meta for a few months.
Jeskai Black
Modern:
Jund
Legacy:
Esper Stoneblade
EDH:
5 color slivers
Arcum Daggson
Sharuum The Hedgemon
Mishra...Shenanigans?