This seems good to me. R/G midrange with Domri and Garruk as a card advantage engine.
Garruk does protect himself too. Play him for 6, -3 him to put down a blocker. Then +1 him after that to start feeding yourself cards every turn. Being in a color that naturally has blockers, it may even be possible to +1 him from the turn he comes in and build to the emblem.
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Been hand testing this for a little while today and it seems very consistant. Getting a turn 3/4 Primordial/Wurm is not hard and if you do go turn 3 Primordial with Garruk... you have the setup for hardcasting another Primordial next turn. :| Craterhoof is also really good with Garruk since you don't have to tap the dorks to bring him out, etc.
I'm kinda stuck on the other 4 spots though. They could be either Thragtusk, Wolfir Silverheart, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, or Primeval Bounty. I was using Wolfir since it seems a lot more aggressive then Thrag and 8T is a pretty big blocker but on the other hand I feel its lacking. Ruric could be the spot but his burn could backfire on me... maybe? Primeval Bounty seems really good, especially with all the dorks, but at the same time it seems kinda overkill, in a sense.
I guess you could alternatively play the Garruk, Primal Hunter as well, especially with the new Walker rule making it so he could be abused hard. +1 on turn 3, -3 on turn 4, draw 3 and drop Caller, drop a guy.
Also, Huntmaster of the Fells is high up there as well, especially since he works well with Cratehoof and Garruk (for the drop a guy from my hand thing). Also, is a good body BUT I would drop him turn 4 regardless of how good my ramp is so that makes me kinda want to think of about him. On the other hand, ramp is not always equal so he could be good on those times I don't get the fine/good/perfect ramp. idk
I think I just convinced myself to play Primal Hunter though. lol
Deck is fun.
I am liking that this Garruk is the first of the four to not be using creature tokens. Not to say it's any better than the last 3, because they are miles ahead of this guy.
I wouldn't dismiss his power level while we have big creatures in Standard.
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Yeah, that's not so good. He might be pretty good in a Elf Ball style deck over the summer though now that I think about it.
Travis Woo's Green Summer was a decent player in last year's metagame over the summer. While some of the crazier ramp elements are gone, there's plenty of tools for power plays like Garruk into Craterhoof Behemoth (or, you know, just ramping out a Behemoth and overruning your opponent with Elves, which wins). How viable is it? Guess we'll see once people start testing seriously and we have the entire set to work with.
Oh, and I agree with you when you noted that these supposed auto wins on turn 4 are not the rule, but the exception. yes, Naya Blitz could kill you that fast, but if this was always happening then Esper Control wouldn't have won the last SCG 5k, and Reanimator likely wouldn't even be a deck 'cause it'd be too slow. And seriously, do people intentionally forgot that tournament matches have sideboards so you can tune your deck against its vulnerable spots in games 2 and 3? It's not like there haven't been other decks in Stdanrd in, well, forever, which were weak against one archetype but solid againstthe rest of field in game 1, and can be tuned to beat those decks that prey on it game 2. The argument "I have draw my nut and you lose so those cards are bad" is even more inane and generally irrelevant as "dies to removal".
it may have already been said on this thread, but with the new legend rule/planeswalker rule coming in m14, you can play Garruk, Primal Hunter, +1 him at least, then next turn -3 him and drop Garruk, Caller of Beasts out and depending on board state, either -3 him to drop a blocker or +1 him toward the ultimate if you already have a blocker. I've been testing a deck using him and he seems really powerful in that deck. If you have the dorks out, you can drop two huge creatures in one turn with him (assuming you +1 Garruk, Caller of Beasts when he came out)
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So like, who is Garruk PH and who is Relentless in this comparison? Furthermore, I wonder what the MTG equivalent is to being slightly above average during the regular season but clutch in the playoffs. Whatever the equivalent is, that must mean you like the upside of this latest version.
So like, who is Garruk PH and who is Relentless in this comparison? Furthermore, I wonder what the MTG equivalent is to being slightly above average during the regular season but clutch in the playoffs. Whatever the equivalent is, that must mean you like the upside of this latest version.
I do like the upside of Caller of Beasts, and he could certainly close out a lot of games that are close. Seems like a fitting Eli Manning analogy (and I hate that I just complimented Eli Manning).
Travis Woo's Green Summer was a decent player in last year's metagame over the summer. While some of the crazier ramp elements are gone, there's plenty of tools for power plays like Garruk into Craterhoof Behemoth (or, you know, just ramping out a Behemoth and overruning your opponent with Elves, which wins). How viable is it? Guess we'll see once people start testing seriously and we have the entire set to work with.
Oh, and I agree with you when you noted that these supposed auto wins on turn 4 are not the rule, but the exception. yes, Naya Blitz could kill you that fast, but if this was always happening then Esper Control wouldn't have won the last SCG 5k, and Reanimator likely wouldn't even be a deck 'cause it'd be too slow. And seriously, do people intentionally forgot that tournament matches have sideboards so you can tune your deck against its vulnerable spots in games 2 and 3? It's not like there haven't been other decks in Stdanrd in, well, forever, which were weak against one archetype but solid againstthe rest of field in game 1, and can be tuned to beat those decks that prey on it game 2. The argument "I have draw my nut and you lose so those cards are bad" is even more inane and generally irrelevant as "dies to removal".
Mhmm I posted this on Adam Yurchik's article on tcgplayer.
"Don't forget we still get all those mana elves PLUS primeval bounty PLUS beck//call PLUS Craterhoof PLUS New Garruk. I could see some weird Elf Ball style list(kind of like Travis Woo's Green Summer list from last year) pop up that at first glance seems like it could be quite hilarious. (Since beck will trigger off of Garruk's -3) however, I think the best thing you could do is
+1 him the turn he comes in, do whatever, pass.
Cast Beck.
-3 putting Soul of the Harvest into Play.
Draw tons of cards.
Win. "
I do like the upside of Caller of Beasts, and he could certainly close out a lot of games that are close. Seems like a fitting Eli Manning analogy (and I hate that I just complimented Eli Manning).
Yeah, you'll never find me throwing compliments in Eli's direction although I think the comparison is sound, oddly enough. I just find it funny that people are treating him like JaMarcus Russel in this thread. Garruk 4.0 isn't the Jamarcus Russel of PWs.
Yeah, you'll never find me throwing compliments in Eli's direction although I think the comparison is sound, oddly enough. I just find it funny that people are treating him like JaMarcus Russel in this thread. Garruk 4.0 isn't the Jamarcus Russel of PWs.
This whole line of commentary has had me ROFL. Seriously. Love you guys.
Also, I agree that this Garruk has potential. I suspect that we'll be seeing more Avatars (Wizards seems averse to using "God" as a subtype) in the near future. Theros will be littered with them, I expect.
Mhmm I posted this on Adam Yurchik's article on tcgplayer.
"Don't forget we still get all those mana elves PLUS primeval bounty PLUS beck//call PLUS Craterhoof PLUS New Garruk. I could see some weird Elf Ball style list(kind of like Travis Woo's Green Summer list from last year) pop up that at first glance seems like it could be quite hilarious. (Since beck will trigger off of Garruk's -3) however, I think the best thing you could do is
+1 him the turn he comes in, do whatever, pass.
Cast Beck.
-3 putting Soul of the Harvest into Play.
Draw tons of cards.
Win. "
If memory serves right doesn't Simic Charm also work as a sort of card draw enabler also?
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I think people are severely underestimating this card here. Your opponent will generally only get to see one card per turn. With this guy out, you get to see 6 cards per turn, starting the turn he comes out. You also get to put all creatures into your hand for five of those cards. That's insane card advantage. I mentioned this in the other thread, but I think this guy will be boss with sylvan primordial. -3, destroy a land, and get a land. Congratulations, you are now two turns ahead in terms of land (more if you ramped). If Junk reanimator is robust enough that it regularly gets to hardcast its threats (and it does), there's no reason this won't see play. You get to look at more than 10% of your deck every single turn that it's on the field. That's colossal.
I think this will find its way into some play in standard. Its quiet powerful. Ramp into him then drop an elderscale wurm or even better a worldspine and your laughing. and you still have him around to draw you cards. He isnt as good as the other Garruks but they have all been awesome so he is playable i think.
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Yeah cuz playing T3 Primeval Titans in Standard was such a losing strategy.
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Not a great strategy unless you had flying spaghetti monsters to bring to the party.
I saw someone wrote an article about running 4 new Garruks and 22 lands + 4 mana dorks as well as bunch of 6+ drops. That seems pretty bad.
Garruk does protect himself too. Play him for 6, -3 him to put down a blocker. Then +1 him after that to start feeding yourself cards every turn. Being in a color that naturally has blockers, it may even be possible to +1 him from the turn he comes in and build to the emblem.
Yeah, that's not so good. He might be pretty good in a Elf Ball style deck over the summer though now that I think about it.
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Been hand testing this for a little while today and it seems very consistant. Getting a turn 3/4 Primordial/Wurm is not hard and if you do go turn 3 Primordial with Garruk... you have the setup for hardcasting another Primordial next turn. :| Craterhoof is also really good with Garruk since you don't have to tap the dorks to bring him out, etc.
I'm kinda stuck on the other 4 spots though. They could be either Thragtusk, Wolfir Silverheart, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, or Primeval Bounty. I was using Wolfir since it seems a lot more aggressive then Thrag and 8T is a pretty big blocker but on the other hand I feel its lacking. Ruric could be the spot but his burn could backfire on me... maybe? Primeval Bounty seems really good, especially with all the dorks, but at the same time it seems kinda overkill, in a sense.
I guess you could alternatively play the Garruk, Primal Hunter as well, especially with the new Walker rule making it so he could be abused hard. +1 on turn 3, -3 on turn 4, draw 3 and drop Caller, drop a guy.
Also, Huntmaster of the Fells is high up there as well, especially since he works well with Cratehoof and Garruk (for the drop a guy from my hand thing). Also, is a good body BUT I would drop him turn 4 regardless of how good my ramp is so that makes me kinda want to think of about him. On the other hand, ramp is not always equal so he could be good on those times I don't get the fine/good/perfect ramp. idk
I think I just convinced myself to play Primal Hunter though. lol
Deck is fun.
Every Walker is
I wouldn't dismiss his power level while we have big creatures in Standard.
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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
True, but him moreso than some others.
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Travis Woo's Green Summer was a decent player in last year's metagame over the summer. While some of the crazier ramp elements are gone, there's plenty of tools for power plays like Garruk into Craterhoof Behemoth (or, you know, just ramping out a Behemoth and overruning your opponent with Elves, which wins). How viable is it? Guess we'll see once people start testing seriously and we have the entire set to work with.
Oh, and I agree with you when you noted that these supposed auto wins on turn 4 are not the rule, but the exception. yes, Naya Blitz could kill you that fast, but if this was always happening then Esper Control wouldn't have won the last SCG 5k, and Reanimator likely wouldn't even be a deck 'cause it'd be too slow. And seriously, do people intentionally forgot that tournament matches have sideboards so you can tune your deck against its vulnerable spots in games 2 and 3? It's not like there haven't been other decks in Stdanrd in, well, forever, which were weak against one archetype but solid againstthe rest of field in game 1, and can be tuned to beat those decks that prey on it game 2. The argument "I have draw my nut and you lose so those cards are bad" is even more inane and generally irrelevant as "dies to removal".
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So like, who is Garruk PH and who is Relentless in this comparison? Furthermore, I wonder what the MTG equivalent is to being slightly above average during the regular season but clutch in the playoffs. Whatever the equivalent is, that must mean you like the upside of this latest version.
I do like the upside of Caller of Beasts, and he could certainly close out a lot of games that are close. Seems like a fitting Eli Manning analogy (and I hate that I just complimented Eli Manning).
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Mhmm I posted this on Adam Yurchik's article on tcgplayer.
"Don't forget we still get all those mana elves PLUS primeval bounty PLUS beck//call PLUS Craterhoof PLUS New Garruk. I could see some weird Elf Ball style list(kind of like Travis Woo's Green Summer list from last year) pop up that at first glance seems like it could be quite hilarious. (Since beck will trigger off of Garruk's -3) however, I think the best thing you could do is
+1 him the turn he comes in, do whatever, pass.
Cast Beck.
-3 putting Soul of the Harvest into Play.
Draw tons of cards.
Win. "
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Yeah, you'll never find me throwing compliments in Eli's direction although I think the comparison is sound, oddly enough. I just find it funny that people are treating him like JaMarcus Russel in this thread. Garruk 4.0 isn't the Jamarcus Russel of PWs.
This whole line of commentary has had me ROFL. Seriously. Love you guys.
Also, I agree that this Garruk has potential. I suspect that we'll be seeing more Avatars (Wizards seems averse to using "God" as a subtype) in the near future. Theros will be littered with them, I expect.
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If memory serves right doesn't Simic Charm also work as a sort of card draw enabler also?
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I anticipate something similar to occur here.
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