Who says that you aren't getting anything? Maybe there's another card in the set. Maybe there's a card in Theros. Who knows? You don't and I don't either. However, I'm growing sick and tired of players throwing hissy fits over a card that isn't specifically tailor made for their personal wishes and desires. It only gets worse when they actually start to think there is some sort of personal vendetta against a specific color. And yeah, I've had this discussion with disciples of all colors. The blue mages are just the most annoying bunch considering the amount of power they get shoved all the effing time.
Oh, and great job editing a strawman into your last post after I answered it. No, I'm not asking for FoW and Brainstorm to be banned in Legacy. We never even discussed Legacy in this thread. What I'm saying is that if players spent even half the time figuring out how to use the cards that are available to them that they spend on complaining about not having different cards we would have much healthier and more competitive formats. Or as I say, "quit *****ing, get brewing".
I don't think anyone is throwing a hissy fit, but people have the right to criticize the quality of the blue "cantrip like spells" being printed as of late. When you compare them to the quality of creature's like BTE and voice of resurgence being printed, i think they are right to feel that blue mages are being shelved to legacy.
But i hope you are right we need to wait and and see if theros/m14 brings some decent spells and not another Index reprint.
Define "as of late". RTR has Sphinx's Revelation, Supreme Verdict, Aetherling while Innistrad brought us Delver, Geist, Snapcaster. Definately blue mages get shafted all the time
As far as standard goes I'd take thragtusk, the angels, huntmaster, voice, thalia, emissary, garruck, abrupt decay, liliana over any of the cards you listed.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Define "as of late". RTR has Sphinx's Revelation, Supreme Verdict, Aetherling while Innistrad brought us Delver, Geist, Snapcaster. Definately blue mages get shafted all the time
I wouldn't say blue is getting shafted, but blue is changing/has changed. Blue can actually kill you now. It isn't all about control and manipulation. *not refuting your point Istreddify, just quoting to reinforce it*
It is true; blue doesn't have 2CMC counters any more or card filterers on the level of Ponder, Preordain, or Brainstorm. In that regard, yes, blue isn't as good as it used to be. BUT blue has gotten some upgrades in other areas! Standard and Modern still have a very healthy slice of blue decks.
It just isn't fair to say that blue is getting shafted. That's too much of an overarching statement. Counterspells and cantrips...yes, those have been shafted, and necessarily so.
And that's a good thing? Seriously, both Delver and Geist are the biggest mistakes since Faeries and those were the biggest mistake since Affinity. Let's not even mention Stalker.
Stalker as in invisible stalker? And you think that card is broken?? Now don't get me wrong, it's a powerful card. And it's very blue and very flavorful for its set but broken or "a mistake"? Lol
It's somehow surprising that good decks run good cards?
Delver is a card that requires a very particular archetype in order to function. That Archetype is basically the tempo-thresh from legacy where he happens to turn into a big threat earlier than most of the other cards, however Goyf/Goose are far more resilient than he is.
GoST is wizards pushing and pushing hexproof, it's not surpising that they created such a potent card as they like to push the envelope.
Snapcaster Mage is a good creature just like Eternal Witness was a good creature. Perhaps it should have costed UU to be a bit more restrictive.
If the whole complaint here is that WotC is pushing blue creatures and that they're crazy overpowered, where are the complaints that WotC isn't pushing color pie shifts in other colors? Like I mentioned before I'd like to see another black counterspell or nice cantrip.
Im already a hater of the new, so-called 'slivers'. They changed the mechanic, they changed the fact they're like a hive mind, their internal similaities, their uniqueness... if they also change the fact they're all 5 colors, they lack credibility as proper game disigners imo.
also, the new blue filter spell shows everything that's wrong with the new philosophy of wizards (not even taking NNWO into account)
The mechanic change could signify factions breaking out in the sliver hoard. That would mean that they only communicate with other slivers of their faction. That's probably a bit far-fetched, though.
A friend pointed out that you're generally going to be running green if you want to play Duskdale Worm. This can be played in anything with a goal of running a massive creature.
You know what the problem with too good counters is? You need to play blue to be able to do anything with them (apart from casting another copy of whatever was countered), and if you don't have them, you're screwed.
Perhaps they wouldn't complain so much if not for the endless choir of "blue gets shafted QQ"?
Alternatively you can learn to play around counterspells the same way you learn to play around removal spells and combat tricks. Countermagic is never really the problem. The problem is when they have good countermagic with hyper efficient creatures such as stoneforge mystic or delver or bitterblossom and good card selection to make it all consistent. Since the current design philosophies have really pushed creatures, the power of countermagic has seemed to be exceptionally strong at certain points of magic history, but at most points there have been other valid strategies than just the best blue deck.
Blue-based control decks are dominating the RTR Block Tournament right now. Without Carverns, Restos, and Thragtusks, blue is just doing silly, silly things with Aetherling.
And just like every other time, Planar Chaos does not represent current design philosophy. At all.
FIRST OF ALL lol black is a control color. Why shoul counterspells be limited to blue? Rapid hybridization is blue, and omfgzzzzz it's says "destroy"!!! Color pie!!! Baaaaaaaa
Also, I did say "or a nice cantrip". Or are those only allowed in blue too? Along with powerful format warping creatures...
and this is an uncommon which usually has a little more play is mana cost to effects unlike t he 3 commons im comparing it to
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Perhaps they wouldn't complain so much if not for the endless choir of "blue gets shafted QQ"?
I assume blue players complaining are just as unhappy with the creatures being too good as they are with the instants and sorceries not being good enough. It's probably rose tinted glasses for me, but I swear blue used to actually play a lot differently than the other colors and it feels like it's more and more about creatures, and it bores me. Same with black. It's just something people are not going to get over if they've been playing for a long time. The game isn't supposed to be Summons: The Gathering and Some Weak Magic Spells. I'm being overly critical, but I hope you can see why blue players don't like the direction they're taking it down, almost entirely because certain players can't get over blue winning with weak creatures.
As for people splashing blue's spells, well, yeah, I can see why every deck having counters handy is annoying, but I blame multicolor decks having too little of a drawback to find a quick reliable fix to stop silver bullets that would normally balance them, but that's a topic for another day.
I'm glad I'm not designing this game, I would pull my hair out trying to please everyone.
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Reprint Misdirection and Dominate . There, now you can you lose to your own cards instead of being mad at blue.
As for people splashing blue's spells, well, yeah, I can see why every deck having counters handy is annoying, but I blame multicolor decks having too little of a drawback to find a quick reliable fix to stop silver bullets that would normally balance them, but that's a topic for another day.
I'm glad I'm not designing this game, I would pull my hair out trying to please everyone.
another supporter of "reprint price of progress ":D
we all need to send mail to WOTC to reprint PrP(price of progress).
Grim Return seems decent, whilst Molten Birth could be ok in limited.
Rise of the Dark Realms is gonna be disgusting in commander. Same with Devout Invocation.
Also, Ajani's Chosen has some decent options.
I don't think anyone is throwing a hissy fit, but people have the right to criticize the quality of the blue "cantrip like spells" being printed as of late. When you compare them to the quality of creature's like BTE and voice of resurgence being printed, i think they are right to feel that blue mages are being shelved to legacy.
But i hope you are right we need to wait and and see if theros/m14 brings some decent spells and not another Index reprint.
As far as standard goes I'd take thragtusk, the angels, huntmaster, voice, thalia, emissary, garruck, abrupt decay, liliana over any of the cards you listed.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I wouldn't say blue is getting shafted, but blue is changing/has changed. Blue can actually kill you now. It isn't all about control and manipulation. *not refuting your point Istreddify, just quoting to reinforce it*
I remember when Rainbow Efreet was the best beater that blue got. Now we have Delver of Secrets, Geist of Saint Traft, and AEtherling. Blue is getting other quality cards as well; Jace, Architect of Thought, Dungeon Geists, Tamiyo, the Moon Sage, Far // Away, Sphinx's Revelation, Snapcaster Mage, etc (and this is just cards I saw that were sitting in a pile next to me)
It is true; blue doesn't have 2CMC counters any more or card filterers on the level of Ponder, Preordain, or Brainstorm. In that regard, yes, blue isn't as good as it used to be. BUT blue has gotten some upgrades in other areas! Standard and Modern still have a very healthy slice of blue decks.
It just isn't fair to say that blue is getting shafted. That's too much of an overarching statement. Counterspells and cantrips...yes, those have been shafted, and necessarily so.
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Stalker as in invisible stalker? And you think that card is broken?? Now don't get me wrong, it's a powerful card. And it's very blue and very flavorful for its set but broken or "a mistake"? Lol
Delver is a card that requires a very particular archetype in order to function. That Archetype is basically the tempo-thresh from legacy where he happens to turn into a big threat earlier than most of the other cards, however Goyf/Goose are far more resilient than he is.
GoST is wizards pushing and pushing hexproof, it's not surpising that they created such a potent card as they like to push the envelope.
Snapcaster Mage is a good creature just like Eternal Witness was a good creature. Perhaps it should have costed UU to be a bit more restrictive.
The mechanic change could signify factions breaking out in the sliver hoard. That would mean that they only communicate with other slivers of their faction. That's probably a bit far-fetched, though.
I'm not really. Wizards is to D&D as Wizards is to MTG.
If you read a little behind the new sliver's design, they've got plates and things on their body that shift around. Yeah. Transformer-y?
A friend pointed out that you're generally going to be running green if you want to play Duskdale Worm. This can be played in anything with a goal of running a massive creature.
You're trying to compare two cards that, while similar, will be played for different reasons (if the red one wil be played at all.)
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Alternatively you can learn to play around counterspells the same way you learn to play around removal spells and combat tricks. Countermagic is never really the problem. The problem is when they have good countermagic with hyper efficient creatures such as stoneforge mystic or delver or bitterblossom and good card selection to make it all consistent. Since the current design philosophies have really pushed creatures, the power of countermagic has seemed to be exceptionally strong at certain points of magic history, but at most points there have been other valid strategies than just the best blue deck.
And just like every other time, Planar Chaos does not represent current design philosophy. At all.
Teach us more.
FIRST OF ALL lol black is a control color. Why shoul counterspells be limited to blue? Rapid hybridization is blue, and omfgzzzzz it's says "destroy"!!! Color pie!!! Baaaaaaaa
Also, I did say "or a nice cantrip". Or are those only allowed in blue too? Along with powerful format warping creatures...
no card advantage like diviniation
one less card seen sorc speed and no flashback compared to forbidden alchemy
and one more mana for the same effect of stategic planning
and this is an uncommon which usually has a little more play is mana cost to effects unlike t he 3 commons im comparing it to
it's probably so that they don't get overwhelmed with it in draft, thank goodness
and blue is finally getting shafted
Thanks Argentleman;)
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I assume blue players complaining are just as unhappy with the creatures being too good as they are with the instants and sorceries not being good enough. It's probably rose tinted glasses for me, but I swear blue used to actually play a lot differently than the other colors and it feels like it's more and more about creatures, and it bores me. Same with black. It's just something people are not going to get over if they've been playing for a long time. The game isn't supposed to be Summons: The Gathering and Some Weak Magic Spells. I'm being overly critical, but I hope you can see why blue players don't like the direction they're taking it down, almost entirely because certain players can't get over blue winning with weak creatures.
As for people splashing blue's spells, well, yeah, I can see why every deck having counters handy is annoying, but I blame multicolor decks having too little of a drawback to find a quick reliable fix to stop silver bullets that would normally balance them, but that's a topic for another day.
I'm glad I'm not designing this game, I would pull my hair out trying to please everyone.
Reprint Misdirection and Dominate . There, now you can you lose to your own cards instead of being mad at blue.
another supporter of "reprint price of progress ":D
we all need to send mail to WOTC to reprint PrP(price of progress).
Thanks Argentleman;)
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People just don't get it. Price of Progress would RUIN Modern. It's way too good in the format, and a staple of Legacy Burn.dec
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