Thx, I've processed all the numbers from the spoiler thread now.
Some observations:
The case of the Shandalar Knight is very strange indeed
Kalonian Tusker #181 had another number than originally deduced (#182)
Out are: Guardian Lions, Healer of the Pride, Serra Avatar, Serra Avenger, all Rings, Staff of Nin
The Slivers not on that position, or no extra Slivers period?
Other question: is Angelic Wall now really confirmed?
My source said that those numbers aren't slivers. My guess would be that your prospective slivers are just at different slots.
Angelic Wall is confirmed unless my source is really screwing with me (they don't usually).
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Shandalar palladin might just be a BLUE card. Remember the artwork on the booster pack? We are still missing the name of the knight that should be blue according to symmetry. I personally believe it is a blue common/uncommon with cool art. Hopefully even a bit playable.
While the Knight on the booster could be blue, assuming this set is following the traditional booster art pattern, Shandalar Paladin is definitely not a blue card. It is a two of card in the Mono-white Ajani deck for DOTP 2014. Sometimes the decks aren't that great, but I think putting a Blue card in a Mono-White deck is a bit of a stretch even for DOTP :D.
Also, while it would be cool to see a playable Blue Knight, given the history of Blue Knights, I would have my doubts. Assuming that booster knight is blue I would like the following: "Booster Knight" UU First Strike When "Booster Knight" comes into play, Draw a Card. 2/2. Or something like that.
I think it's more like Lyciana said, and the numbers are slightly off (main Show of Valor being #35 instead of #34) as the numbers for most cards aren't confirmed. I think the name is pretty much a given as it was released by Wizards_Sean on their DOTP forum, and I'm pretty sure they'd only give out the card's actual name.
Do I understand the number crunch correct in that Aven Mindcensor could be in the set?
Theoretically, yes. But for it to be in the set, the last ability would have to be relevant. There's practically no tutoring around right now. More tutoring in Theros? Who knows. If legends matter, that would be a good reason to not have so many copies of the same legendary greature in a deck. All completely baseless speculation, of course.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
I'm pretty sure the source just said that #33 was not called Shandalar Paladin, not that Show of Valor was #33, unless it was in another post that I missed (which is very possible). I'm guessing that #34 is probably Shandalar Paladin and #35 is Show of Valor, and #33 is another card we don't know about.
If you are referring to the Knight art on the booster pack, it very well could be (though it doesn't look very phantomy). There is a card called Shandalar Paladin in M14 though, it's in one of the DOTP 2014 decks that is mono-white.
I'm pretty sure the source just said that #33 was not called Shandalar Paladin, not that Show of Valor was #33, unless it was in another post that I missed (which is very possible). I'm guessing that #34 is probably Shandalar Paladin and #35 is Show of Valor, and #33 is another card we don't know about.
More info about the numbering was worked into the spoilerlist
What's the source for Show of Valor's numbering? In the photo in which it was spoiled, only the top of the card is shown.
Theoretically, yes. But for it to be in the set, the last ability would have to be relevant. There's practically no tutoring around right now. More tutoring in Theros? Who knows. If legends matter, that would be a good reason to not have so many copies of the same legendary greature in a deck. All completely baseless speculation, of course.
I'm going to have to agree with Limovrak and Istreddify, I couldn't see Wizards printing Mindcensor in M14, unless they were printing a whole cycle of tutors in the set that we haven't seen ay evidence of yet (or Theros turns out to be loaded with tutors). Even then, it seems like a bit of an advanced card for a core set.
Reprinting cards that are useful in Modern in core sets I can definitely see, but I'd think they would also have to be useful in Standard (such as Mutavault).
One example doesn't invalidate limovrak's statement.
This reason makes it a MM card, not a M14 choice.
Yep, since they will never print Modern cards in sets not named Modern Masters.
And yeah, my "one example" is pretty relevant considering that Farseek is one of the best cards in Standard and shows up almost everywhere, not to mention they could easily print more search cards for Standard. The fact that you think they wouldn't put staples for other formats in a Core Set just blows my mind though.
"z0mg Master of the Pearl Trident is here! Time to rock Standard with Merfolk with this new sweet lord obviously meant for Standard!"
Fetches in Theros? That'd be a good enough reason for Mindcensor.
I would agree that if they do Fetches in Theros Mindcensor would definitely become a valid print. As much as I'd like though, I don't think we'll see fetches in Theros. Standard's mana base already is way too solid for multicolor and putting fetches in the same standard as shocks would result in some pretty absurd consistency for multicolor decks (which I believe is what WOTC is trying to get rid of by not printing duals in M14).
MotPT could have more Standard applications than Mindcensor. I'm not saying thay will never print Modern cards outside of MM - but if a card would be printed only for it's Modern appeal, which set fits better, MM or Core?
Except MotPT wasn't printed for Standard. Obviously.
It wouldn't take many playable search cards to make Mindcensor playable either as long as they're played a lot and frequently, like fetches.
Why would mindcensor even be relevant? It isn't very expensive, there aren't a lot of tutoring abilities that will make it practical, and very few people would be excited about a reprint.
It seems a lot more likely in M15 or Huey, when many people are expecting some sort of fetch to see a reprint. Mindcensor to counter farseek is way too narrow to bother with.
Why would mindcensor even be relevant? It isn't very expensive, there aren't a lot of tutoring abilities that will make it practical, and very few people would be excited about a reprint.
It's a $10 uncommon. That's Remand levels of pricing, and people complain about that. I also love how you say "very few people would be excited" even though no one would argue about there being more of a not easily obtainable uncommon available.
I'm not super sure about these, but some cards appeared in the DOTP14 Sealed Campaign video that aren't on the crunch, and given it's sealed and not a normal campaign, I assumed they might be in the actual packs.
That said, I could also be horribly horribly wrong. My apologies if that's the case.
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Is there any word on Shandalar Paladin's status yet? It has to be monowhite because it's in a monowhite deck; its card name is 100% known; and yet it can't fit in the crunch based on confirmed collector numbers.
The sole possibility seem to be that it's... Card number 217, an artifact creature.
My source said that those numbers aren't slivers. My guess would be that your prospective slivers are just at different slots.
Angelic Wall is confirmed unless my source is really screwing with me (they don't usually).
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While the Knight on the booster could be blue, assuming this set is following the traditional booster art pattern, Shandalar Paladin is definitely not a blue card. It is a two of card in the Mono-white Ajani deck for DOTP 2014. Sometimes the decks aren't that great, but I think putting a Blue card in a Mono-White deck is a bit of a stretch even for DOTP :D.
Also, while it would be cool to see a playable Blue Knight, given the history of Blue Knights, I would have my doubts. Assuming that booster knight is blue I would like the following: "Booster Knight" UU First Strike When "Booster Knight" comes into play, Draw a Card. 2/2. Or something like that.
I think it's more like Lyciana said, and the numbers are slightly off (main Show of Valor being #35 instead of #34) as the numbers for most cards aren't confirmed. I think the name is pretty much a given as it was released by Wizards_Sean on their DOTP forum, and I'm pretty sure they'd only give out the card's actual name.
Theoretically, yes. But for it to be in the set, the last ability would have to be relevant. There's practically no tutoring around right now. More tutoring in Theros? Who knows. If legends matter, that would be a good reason to not have so many copies of the same legendary greature in a deck. All completely baseless speculation, of course.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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I'm pretty sure the source just said that #33 was not called Shandalar Paladin, not that Show of Valor was #33, unless it was in another post that I missed (which is very possible). I'm guessing that #34 is probably Shandalar Paladin and #35 is Show of Valor, and #33 is another card we don't know about.
May be this art is for Phantom Warrior?
If you are referring to the Knight art on the booster pack, it very well could be (though it doesn't look very phantomy). There is a card called Shandalar Paladin in M14 though, it's in one of the DOTP 2014 decks that is mono-white.
More info about the numbering was worked into the spoilerlist
Oh I understand, sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks for keeping this thing up to date :).
Farseek.
Plus they could just print Mindcensor for it's Modern purposes as it's a $10 card.
Reprinting cards that are useful in Modern in core sets I can definitely see, but I'd think they would also have to be useful in Standard (such as Mutavault).
Its a $10 card, that makes it a modern masters card?? What in god's name are you talking about?
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Yep, since they will never print Modern cards in sets not named Modern Masters.
And yeah, my "one example" is pretty relevant considering that Farseek is one of the best cards in Standard and shows up almost everywhere, not to mention they could easily print more search cards for Standard. The fact that you think they wouldn't put staples for other formats in a Core Set just blows my mind though.
"z0mg Master of the Pearl Trident is here! Time to rock Standard with Merfolk with this new sweet lord obviously meant for Standard!"
I would agree that if they do Fetches in Theros Mindcensor would definitely become a valid print. As much as I'd like though, I don't think we'll see fetches in Theros. Standard's mana base already is way too solid for multicolor and putting fetches in the same standard as shocks would result in some pretty absurd consistency for multicolor decks (which I believe is what WOTC is trying to get rid of by not printing duals in M14).
Except MotPT wasn't printed for Standard. Obviously.
It wouldn't take many playable search cards to make Mindcensor playable either as long as they're played a lot and frequently, like fetches.
It seems a lot more likely in M15 or Huey, when many people are expecting some sort of fetch to see a reprint. Mindcensor to counter farseek is way too narrow to bother with.
It's a $10 uncommon. That's Remand levels of pricing, and people complain about that. I also love how you say "very few people would be excited" even though no one would argue about there being more of a not easily obtainable uncommon available.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
That said, I could also be horribly horribly wrong. My apologies if that's the case.
Safe Passage
Belltower Sphinx
Faerie Invaders
Fog Bank
Turn to Frog
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Rise from the Grave
Taste of Blood
Tectonic Rift
Turn to Slag
Protean Hydra
Brittle Effigy
The sole possibility seem to be that it's... Card number 217, an artifact creature.
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