Technically they could make an exception with lightning bolt no matter what since the card is from alpha.
Right I forgot about no Zendikar though so scratch off those two cards.
but I think they are only printing cards from 8th through Alara Block. If so, I'd think M10 would be out, but it's kind of borderline.
who knows?
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I think the commons and uncommons are going to be the cards that see the big price drop. If a card like Kitchen Finks is reprinted at uncommon, it will probably fall to the 1.49-1.99 range, even at a limited print run.
I think the commons and uncommons are going to be the cards that see the big price drop. If a card like Kitchen Finks is reprinted at uncommon, it will probably fall to the 1.49-1.99 range, even at a limited print run.
It depends Rancor was just reprinted and obviously has shown up in some other random side products and stuff and its value is pretty stable across all versions. Sure rancor might have been 5+ dollar card if it never saw reprint, but its funny that any version of rancor costs about $2.50 on the low end.
M13 put a lot more rancors on the market but it didn't cause fluctuation of the price of Rancor much at all. M13 Rancors did dip slightly after it came out but then 2-3 sets later it was back to its old price no matter the version.
I think the commons and uncommons are going to be the cards that see the big price drop. If a card like Kitchen Finks is reprinted at uncommon, it will probably fall to the 1.49-1.99 range, even at a limited print run.
with half G / or W decks playing then
With look they can drop to 5.29 - 12.00
Modern Masters isn't going to see any big cards dropping in price by much, Kitchen Finks will still be 5+, Goyfs 90+. etc
Limited run won't affect supply enough, specially given how demand will likely go up, not down, as the cards will be easier to get relatively speaking for players wanting into Modern.
Modern Masters isn't going to see any big cards dropping in price by much, Kitchen Finks will still be 5+, Goyfs 90+. etc
Limited run won't affect supply enough, specially given how demand will likely go up, not down, as the cards will be easier to get relatively speaking for players wanting into Modern.
Commons and uncommons will drop more based on math.
There are more commons and uncommons in packs so they will be easier to get, pushing prices down.
How much is yet to be seen, but it will be more than rares/mythics.
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7*24 = $168
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Your crazy if you don't think you're going to make money off the average box. If the average price of a rare in this set is 5 bucks, thats major money....
on average those mythics will give you $49 of value per box. That still leaves you $119 short of breaking even. Set's with the best EV's don't tend to have their value in mythics, but rares and uncommons.
This set is likely to have the best common/uncommon selection of all time, and a fairly decent average value per rare assuming you are paying retail for the box so 7 bucks a pack you will need to make up 88 dollars discounting those 3 mythics.
I expect to see the large majority of money uncommons/commons which it seems everyone forgets how expensive those cards are...
Some of these like Finks are more expensive then the vast majority of rares in any given set. Even if their value drops a bit, compared to old versions they will still be worth quite a bit more then nearly any common/uncommon from sets like RTR or GTC etc...
If there is money to be made by opening this set then the values of these will tank. When for each goyf opened you get 6 spell snares that's going to crash the price of spell snare if the set is printed a reasonable amount.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Modern Masters isn't going to see any big cards dropping in price by much, Kitchen Finks will still be 5+, Goyfs 90+. etc
Limited run won't affect supply enough, specially given how demand will likely go up, not down, as the cards will be easier to get relatively speaking for players wanting into Modern.
5+ months ago no one around my play group was even talking Modern. Now those that have a decent play set for Standard are looking more and more at Modern. I think the format is going to really start to explode as time goes on becoming as popular as extended was in its heyday. Not talking total numbers here just % of the people that play it and have a deck or two, of those playing tournaments type of thing.
To prove this point despite being already revealed as in the set, Tarmos are now going for 120.49 mid value on magiccards.info.
This card was mid value 93ish just 2 months ago roughly...
I thought I'd jump in this topic with my thoughts on Modern.
I first started playing Magic back in 93 and played until I finished school in 96. This was the age when we regarded Moxes as "bad" and Shivan Dragon was the be all and end all of collections. I don't have any of my cards from back then (all thrown out by my parents).
Now having started playing Magic again 16 years later with the release of Return to Ravnica I find the Modern Format to be excellent for me. It provides that nice step-up from standard, introducing a wealth of cards to me without breaking the bank. Only a few cards are very expensive and those cards are not essential to be competitive. In my area, Modern is only getting bigger, while surprisingly standard is almost no where to be seen.
For my part, I also looked getting in to Legacy, but the sheer cost of buying Dual Lands, let alone any other top cards, made it rather inaccessible straight away. And to be honest the pool of players around the world is not huge, and will not grow. For me it seems to be a Pro only format, where these players are the only ones who can justify the expenditure due to the potential for prize money.
Not bad mouthing Legacy here as it is a great format and if you like it, excellent. But trying to compare it with Modern and saying it's a better format is rather silly. Modern is simply a different format. I can't see any reason why they both can't exist.
Shouldn't this be updated to include City of Brass, a card we have confirmed information on? Just because we don't know the rarity necessarily, the fact they are making card sleeves for it should mean that it's confirmed enough to be put in the initial post.
Shouldn't this be updated to include City of Brass, a card we have confirmed information on? Just because we don't know the rarity necessarily, the fact they are making card sleeves for it should mean that it's confirmed enough to be put in the initial post.
I don't disagree with this at all, most people (if not all) are in agreement that City of Brass is in Modern Masters. If for no other reason than the sleeves.
We have an artwork that most of us are 99% sure is City of Brass, but it's not "confirmed" in the sense that we've seen an actual card or received information from a reliable source (or whatever criteria they use here to "confirm" something).
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While i wasn't super excited for this, seeing as Goyf is now 130$ at SCG...Modern is looking worse than legacy to enter into.
I don't know how anyone can make that claim.
Every expensive Modern staple is also a Legacy staple. You save no money going from Modern Jund to Legacy Jund, for example.
The only thing you get price wise from going from Modern to Legacy is a manabase that is 10 times more expensive.
There is no way you can say Legacy is cheaper than Modern. For a like to like deck, Legacy will ALWAYS be more expensive, since it will play the same expensive cards the Modern version runs, AND it will have duals.
I have asked around to actual humans (moving beyond emails and phone) and nobody can confirm the amount of boxes yet. I've asked people who tell me about their inventory bluntly -- no real idea on quantity. Stores are going to have a very difficult time budgeting boxes. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't buy a box at all due to limited quantity. I hope the run isn't THAT small.
If you look earlier in the thread, it really depends on your LGS. I already pre-ordered one box from mine. At its exact MSRP cost, no special mark up.
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Modern Masters isn't going to see any big cards dropping in price by much, Kitchen Finks will still be 5+, Goyfs 90+. etc
Limited run won't affect supply enough, specially given how demand will likely go up, not down, as the cards will be easier to get relatively speaking for players wanting into Modern.
Older printing prices will go down, but probably not by much. Newer printings will be substantially less expensive.
We have an artwork that most of us are 99% sure is City of Brass, but it's not "confirmed" in the sense that we've seen an actual card or received information from a reliable source (or whatever criteria they use here to "confirm" something).
How often do we add things to spoilers before we actually see a card? Sometimes, spoilers are spoilers without seeing cards. Oh well, if it's not "confirmed" then that needs to be made very, very clear over at the City of Brass sleeves thread. You can't have one thread claiming that it's in modern masters, and then it be completely absent from another.
How often do we add things to spoilers before we actually see a card? Sometimes, spoilers are spoilers without seeing cards. Oh well, if it's not "confirmed" then that needs to be made very, very clear over at the City of Brass sleeves thread. You can't have one thread claiming that it's in modern masters, and then it be completely absent from another.
The art is in modern masters.
The card is City of Brass.
How do we know this? Because Wizards expects us to know this.
Because it is pretty clearly art for City of Brass, and no one has offered any other card it could be the art of.
I mean, honestly, it almost seems like it is this artists interpretation of the 7th edition art of the card.
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Every expensive Modern staple is also a Legacy staple. You save no money going from Modern Jund to Legacy Jund, for example.
The only thing you get price wise from going from Modern to Legacy is a manabase that is 10 times more expensive.
There is no way you can say Legacy is cheaper than Modern. For a like to like deck, Legacy will ALWAYS be more expensive, since it will play the same expensive cards the Modern version runs, AND it will have duals.
In legacy my decks will probably always be good and the trend is for my cards to increase in value. In modern your deck may be gone after one banning and your card may plummet in price quickly.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Except for the fact that WotC isn't making this product widely available in a fashion to tie in to or support that.
They don't *intend* for John Q. Public to buy Modern Masters by the box.
I am not sure John Q. Public is buying full booster boxes either...especially of Modern Masters. But I know, it was just a idea I got when i saw the post about the Dragon Maze Buy a Box and the Modern Masters post together.
In legacy my decks will probably always be good and the trend is for my cards to increase in value. In modern your deck may be gone after one banning and your card may plummet in price quickly.
To be fair they have yet to do a banning that caused any card to drop to insignificance that wasn't already insignificant prior. Yes some were artificially propped up by absurd turn 1 or turn 2 kills, but everyone knew those were going to get the ban hammer.
I'm one of those hopefuls that wants to see everything decrease slightly, but I mainly want the big uncommons/commons fall in price a bit (Finks, Remand, Tron, Chromatics, etc...). By looking at different percentages, it determines which one is safer to put X of whatever cards into the pool.
Examples:
10% card increase/per card= 10:1 ratio, meaning every 2.5 playsets of any given card (Goyf for example), one more will be added, so for every 5 is 2, 10 is 4, etc.
20%= 5:1 ratio, so 5 of a copy of Goyf nets 1 into the pool, 10 gets 2, so on.
25% is probably where it pushes the limit, since it'd be a 4:1 ratio. Every playset of Goyf is one more, 8 is 2, 12 is 3, and 4 sets makes another.
Going by these, hypothetically saying that there are currently 1,000,000 Goyfs available in the world (this is either off by a lot or who knows what), and by those percentages:
10% increase = 100,000 more Goyfs available
20% = 200,000 more available
25% = 250,000 more available.
And by these numbers, it's probably very easy to deduce that they probably won't add 25% of the modern card pool, but somewhere between 10-20%.
In the same way you can tell someone is from the XVIII century because he is arroused by ankles, you can tell someone is from USA because he feels nipples disturbing.
I'm one of those hopefuls that wants to see everything decrease slightly, but I mainly want the big uncommons/commons fall in price a bit (Finks, Remand, Tron, Chromatics, etc...). By looking at different percentages, it determines which one is safer to put X of whatever cards into the pool.
Examples:
10% card increase/per card= 10:1 ratio, meaning every 2.5 playsets of any given card (Goyf for example), one more will be added, so for every 5 is 2, 10 is 4, etc.
20%= 5:1 ratio, so 5 of a copy of Goyf nets 1 into the pool, 10 gets 2, so on.
25% is probably where it pushes the limit, since it'd be a 4:1 ratio. Every playset of Goyf is one more, 8 is 2, 12 is 3, and 4 sets makes another.
Going by these, hypothetically saying that there are currently 1,000,000 Goyfs available in the world (this is either off by a lot or who knows what), and by those percentages:
10% increase = 100,000 more Goyfs available
20% = 200,000 more available
25% = 250,000 more available.
And by these numbers, it's probably very easy to deduce that they probably won't add 25% of the modern card pool, but somewhere between 10-20%.
If it doesn't increase it by 50% or more, then MM is a failure at getting more cards into more hands.
I say this because there is probably anywhere between a 50-100% increase in demand for a card like Tarmogoyf since modern was announced. Maybe even more.
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but I think they are only printing cards from 8th through Alara Block. If so, I'd think M10 would be out, but it's kind of borderline.
who knows?
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It depends Rancor was just reprinted and obviously has shown up in some other random side products and stuff and its value is pretty stable across all versions. Sure rancor might have been 5+ dollar card if it never saw reprint, but its funny that any version of rancor costs about $2.50 on the low end.
M13 put a lot more rancors on the market but it didn't cause fluctuation of the price of Rancor much at all. M13 Rancors did dip slightly after it came out but then 2-3 sets later it was back to its old price no matter the version.
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with half G / or W decks playing then
With look they can drop to 5.29 - 12.00
Limited run won't affect supply enough, specially given how demand will likely go up, not down, as the cards will be easier to get relatively speaking for players wanting into Modern.
Commons and uncommons will drop more based on math.
There are more commons and uncommons in packs so they will be easier to get, pushing prices down.
How much is yet to be seen, but it will be more than rares/mythics.
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on average those mythics will give you $49 of value per box. That still leaves you $119 short of breaking even. Set's with the best EV's don't tend to have their value in mythics, but rares and uncommons.
If there is money to be made by opening this set then the values of these will tank. When for each goyf opened you get 6 spell snares that's going to crash the price of spell snare if the set is printed a reasonable amount.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
5+ months ago no one around my play group was even talking Modern. Now those that have a decent play set for Standard are looking more and more at Modern. I think the format is going to really start to explode as time goes on becoming as popular as extended was in its heyday. Not talking total numbers here just % of the people that play it and have a deck or two, of those playing tournaments type of thing.
To prove this point despite being already revealed as in the set, Tarmos are now going for 120.49 mid value on magiccards.info.
This card was mid value 93ish just 2 months ago roughly...
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Now having started playing Magic again 16 years later with the release of Return to Ravnica I find the Modern Format to be excellent for me. It provides that nice step-up from standard, introducing a wealth of cards to me without breaking the bank. Only a few cards are very expensive and those cards are not essential to be competitive. In my area, Modern is only getting bigger, while surprisingly standard is almost no where to be seen.
For my part, I also looked getting in to Legacy, but the sheer cost of buying Dual Lands, let alone any other top cards, made it rather inaccessible straight away. And to be honest the pool of players around the world is not huge, and will not grow. For me it seems to be a Pro only format, where these players are the only ones who can justify the expenditure due to the potential for prize money.
Not bad mouthing Legacy here as it is a great format and if you like it, excellent. But trying to compare it with Modern and saying it's a better format is rather silly. Modern is simply a different format. I can't see any reason why they both can't exist.
I don't disagree with this at all, most people (if not all) are in agreement that City of Brass is in Modern Masters. If for no other reason than the sleeves.
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I don't know how anyone can make that claim.
Every expensive Modern staple is also a Legacy staple. You save no money going from Modern Jund to Legacy Jund, for example.
The only thing you get price wise from going from Modern to Legacy is a manabase that is 10 times more expensive.
There is no way you can say Legacy is cheaper than Modern. For a like to like deck, Legacy will ALWAYS be more expensive, since it will play the same expensive cards the Modern version runs, AND it will have duals.
If you look earlier in the thread, it really depends on your LGS. I already pre-ordered one box from mine. At its exact MSRP cost, no special mark up.
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Older printing prices will go down, but probably not by much. Newer printings will be substantially less expensive.
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How often do we add things to spoilers before we actually see a card? Sometimes, spoilers are spoilers without seeing cards. Oh well, if it's not "confirmed" then that needs to be made very, very clear over at the City of Brass sleeves thread. You can't have one thread claiming that it's in modern masters, and then it be completely absent from another.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/218
The art is in modern masters.
The card is City of Brass.
How do we know this? Because Wizards expects us to know this.
Because it is pretty clearly art for City of Brass, and no one has offered any other card it could be the art of.
I mean, honestly, it almost seems like it is this artists interpretation of the 7th edition art of the card.
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In legacy my decks will probably always be good and the trend is for my cards to increase in value. In modern your deck may be gone after one banning and your card may plummet in price quickly.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Except for the fact that WotC isn't making this product widely available in a fashion to tie in to or support that.
They don't *intend* for John Q. Public to buy Modern Masters by the box.
I am not sure John Q. Public is buying full booster boxes either...especially of Modern Masters. But I know, it was just a idea I got when i saw the post about the Dragon Maze Buy a Box and the Modern Masters post together.
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To be fair they have yet to do a banning that caused any card to drop to insignificance that wasn't already insignificant prior. Yes some were artificially propped up by absurd turn 1 or turn 2 kills, but everyone knew those were going to get the ban hammer.
Examples:
10% card increase/per card= 10:1 ratio, meaning every 2.5 playsets of any given card (Goyf for example), one more will be added, so for every 5 is 2, 10 is 4, etc.
20%= 5:1 ratio, so 5 of a copy of Goyf nets 1 into the pool, 10 gets 2, so on.
25% is probably where it pushes the limit, since it'd be a 4:1 ratio. Every playset of Goyf is one more, 8 is 2, 12 is 3, and 4 sets makes another.
Going by these, hypothetically saying that there are currently 1,000,000 Goyfs available in the world (this is either off by a lot or who knows what), and by those percentages:
10% increase = 100,000 more Goyfs available
20% = 200,000 more available
25% = 250,000 more available.
And by these numbers, it's probably very easy to deduce that they probably won't add 25% of the modern card pool, but somewhere between 10-20%.
If it doesn't increase it by 50% or more, then MM is a failure at getting more cards into more hands.
I say this because there is probably anywhere between a 50-100% increase in demand for a card like Tarmogoyf since modern was announced. Maybe even more.
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