... except you aren't shuffling any cards. You are just enumerating targets, rolling a die and off you go. Are you even thinking about this or are you just reacting?
lol rude
also hope you have a dx, where x is the number of possible targets
I always assumed it was
1. Use a die with at least N sides
2. Roll die
3. If rolled number was greater than N, roll again
So 7 or 9 are easy to do on a D10, but 11 means you need to go up to a D20
"OK. Let's line up our creatures, so we can count them properly." Boom! Chaos orb hits the table and activates!
There is a special place in Hell for people like you. Satan's even got a pitchfork reserved just for you. This scenario is so vile and evil, words can't discribe it. I love it.
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All this convoluted die rolling... why not just roll a D20 for each possible target, with the highest roll being the one targeted? Can't take any longer than assigning everything a number.
That's all I thought when I saw this card. It's weird enough that I'll probably try to squeeze any fun i can get out of it. But nuking me or my dudes doesn't sound fun :lol:
All this convoluted die rolling... why not just roll a D20 for each possible target, with the highest roll being the one targeted? Can't take any longer than assigning everything a number.
320 die rolls against a Rith player. Yeah. Can't possibly take longer
Then you roll 76 20's, and have to reroll them.
I'm not going to do any of those things you mentioned. You for some reason assume my aim is some sort of DQ-griefing which is perplexing. As I've written here - if an opponent will resolve this ability in a timely manner, godspeed. I'm expecting otherwise and I will act accordingly if so.
As for judges resolving every activation on 7+-targets board every-time some mediocre player with no dice decides he should have some 'fun' - I surely hope they won't have to, because by the 3rd 4-round prerelease flight in the same day they usually don't have extra energy - but that won't stop me from calling a judge whenever my opponent taps a goblin and starts wasting my match time trying to come up with a way to emulate d13.
I mean, I get what you are trying to say, the Goblin will be in a faq, and it'll list ways to determine a target - but it does NOT means anyone will get a free pass on slow play.
Also, as an offtopic, what does 'to know somebody passing well' means?
Emulating a d13 is pretty easy actually. Roll a d20, throw out any results from 14-20 and reroll. Though if it took more than two rolls I'm sure you'd complain to a judge...
The card is okay, but I really hoping for another 1-2 good cards to make Izzet Standard playable...I mean in retrospect, this whole 'The Izzet are unpredictable" simply is a flavor some are tired of, myself included on this forum. The Izzet are the smartest minds in Ravnican Science, not everything they do has to be this random. Cmmmmonnn Dragon's Maze, don't let down, Izzet needs to get love in Standard! Every other color combo is looking beast with a solid strategy... Perhaps Izzet simply doesn't have one.
The card is okay, but I really hoping for another 1-2 good cards to make Izzet Standard playable...I mean in retrospect, this whole 'The Izzet are unpredictable" simply is a flavor some are tired of, myself included on this forum. The Izzet are the smartest minds in Ravnican Science, not everything they do has to be this random. Cmmmmonnn Dragon's Maze, don't let down, Izzet needs to get love in Standard! Every other color combo is looking beast with a solid strategy... Perhaps Izzet simply doesn't have one.
I'm pretty sure this card isn't so random because it's Izzet, it's so random because it's an Izzet Goblin.
wait didn't they refuse to print any of the microprose cards on the basis that all the random oriented abilities made the game confusing and difficult and then we get this guy?
where's my aswan jaguar damnit.
edit: screw aswan jaguar. i want golbin polka band
wait didn't they refuse to print any of the microprose cards on the basis that all the random oriented abilities made the game confusing and difficult and then we get this guy?
where's my aswan jaguar damnit.
edit: screw aswan jaguar. i want golbin polka band
I'm pretty sure this card isn't so random because it's Izzet, it's so random because it's an Izzet Goblin.
Good Point. I am just ripping my hair out wanting Izzet to get good Standard Playable cards since this block started. If you look at the other guilds, they have distinct staples for the upcoming meta-game, all competitive.
We have yet to see all the spoilers, and several more Izzet cards to come, but what Izzet really needs is an Electrolyze. Not a reprint, but something that does Effect A, while doing Effect B: Draw Card. This color Combination needs card advantage as it eats through spells. The Izzet Champion is great. But at 6 CMC we cannot be too sure yet if he will find a place in standard. Possibly in Grixis?
Does anybody agree with me on this fact we need a card like Electrolyze in this set? Ill be as happy as anybody else to see a reprint though.
Good Point. I am just ripping my hair out wanting Izzet to get good Standard Playable cards since this block started. If you look at the other guilds, they have distinct staples for the upcoming meta-game, all competitive.
We have yet to see all the spoilers, and several more Izzet cards to come, but what Izzet really needs is an Electrolyze. Not a reprint, but something that does Effect A, while doing Effect B: Draw Card. This color Combination needs card advantage as it eats through spells. The Izzet Champion is great. But at 6 CMC we cannot be too sure yet if he will find a place in standard. Possibly in Grixis?
Does anybody agree with me on this fact we need a card like Electrolyze in this set? Ill be as happy as anybody else to see a reprint though.
You're not wrong, the Izzet 'random' back in Old Rav was far more 'one good thing happens or one different good thing happens', but you lacked control of it. Odds portion of Odds & Ends, Development half of Research & Development both cover this. As they did something to your advantage, just you didn't know what.
Stitch in Time was the only 'random' card without a second upside, but it wasn't a downside. Either you got an extra turn or it did nothing.
This is definitely the worst wording of a card I've seen since The Dark. Is it
Target is completely random among all creatures and players? I sorta doubt it as this is an absolute PITA to resolve in any game that isn't a duel, and WotC has been paying too much attention to multiplayer to let something like that slip I would hope.
You choose a target creature and player and it has a 50% chance of hitting one or the other which lines up much better with how its costed. WotC still prints the occasional jank but they've made it a point since the last Ravnica block to make every card count in some major format between constructed, limited and commander.
Target creature and all players at random?
The wording is just flat out awful and ambiguous as Hell. This thing is worse for the kitchen table than Recurring Nightmare when it comes to rules arguments and finding itself misplayed. And trust me, no matter the final ruling on this card, a lot of casual players will misplay this - the wording is just too bad to avoid that.
As to the quality of the card itself, it depends on what WotC intended. I expect an errata on this card once it becomes clear how confusing this critter is.
I know bad cards have to exist from a power standpoint - but bad cards from an ease to play standpoint do not have to exist. Plop this down late game in a 5 player multiplayer game and it will slow the game down fairly resolving it far more than Sensei's Divining Top or Sharazad. Indeed, if it works according to the first interpretation it will eventually be banned - not because it is powerful but because it can be used to stalemate games trying to resolve it.
I think I've parsed it out after thinking on it for a few hours.
(Which is sad, no card should take that much thought time to parse out).
I believe the way they want the reading to break up is...
target creature
or
player chosen at random
If the intent of the card was for players to be randomly targeted it would have read
"target creature or target player chosen at random"
Or more likely, there would be a comma in there
"target creature or target player, chosen at random"
Choosing a random player is easy enough - flip a coin in a duel, and polyhedral dice or drawing lots works in multiplayer.
Also, that reading makes the costing make sense. It's a 3 CMC critter that has a 2 reliable point plink on critters, and a less reliable plink on players.
2 damage against creatures only for 3 CMC is enough to make it constructed playable - that it flies and can plink players randomly is gravy.
Which is, to be fair, housebanned in quite some places.
And also, to be fair, was long before WotC paid much attention to multiplayer. Grip of Chaos will never see a reprint nor will a similar card ever be printed.
Imagine how much less disappointing this would be if it was "T: Deal 2 damage to target random opponent or creature you don't control." It would be cool without needing to be absurdly unplayable. It's a shame, because I was really hoping to see a cool Izzet card to go along with the art when it was first shown in Uncharted Realms.
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"OK. Let's line up our creatures, so we can count them properly." Boom! Chaos orb hits the table and activates!
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lol rude
also hope you have a dx, where x is the number of possible targets
Yeah absolutely. Most can be done easily, but some numbers are tricky, like 7, 9 and 11.
E.g:
2 targets: flip a coin, or evens/odds on any die
3 targets: 3 sided die (if you have one), or use a six-sided die 1-2, 3-4 and 5-6
4 targets: 4-sided die, or 20-sided die divided into 4 sets.
5 targets: 10 sided die divided into 5 sets of 2 numbers, or 20 sided die divided into 5 sets of 4 numbers.
6 targets: 6 sided die
7 targets: You can buy 7 sided dice, but they are odd and whether they are fair is up for debate.
8 targets: 8 sided die
9 targets: your best bet is one of those tube-dice that roll along one axis. You can get 9 sided ones. Otherwise, use an electronic program.
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1. Use a die with at least N sides
2. Roll die
3. If rolled number was greater than N, roll again
So 7 or 9 are easy to do on a D10, but 11 means you need to go up to a D20
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That's all I thought when I saw this card. It's weird enough that I'll probably try to squeeze any fun i can get out of it. But nuking me or my dudes doesn't sound fun :lol:
320 die rolls against a Rith player. Yeah. Can't possibly take longer
Then you roll 76 20's, and have to reroll them.
EDH is a CASUAL format. Get with the program, or GTFO.
Emulating a d13 is pretty easy actually. Roll a d20, throw out any results from 14-20 and reroll. Though if it took more than two rolls I'm sure you'd complain to a judge...
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I'm pretty sure this card isn't so random because it's Izzet, it's so random because it's an Izzet Goblin.
where's my aswan jaguar damnit.
edit: screw aswan jaguar. i want golbin polka band
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Good Point. I am just ripping my hair out wanting Izzet to get good Standard Playable cards since this block started. If you look at the other guilds, they have distinct staples for the upcoming meta-game, all competitive.
We have yet to see all the spoilers, and several more Izzet cards to come, but what Izzet really needs is an Electrolyze. Not a reprint, but something that does Effect A, while doing Effect B: Draw Card. This color Combination needs card advantage as it eats through spells. The Izzet Champion is great. But at 6 CMC we cannot be too sure yet if he will find a place in standard. Possibly in Grixis?
Does anybody agree with me on this fact we need a card like Electrolyze in this set? Ill be as happy as anybody else to see a reprint though.
Context - was reponse to this.
Because Every Set is Terrible!
i'd fill that deck with so many beebles.
I laugh at the fool who tries to play this anywhere other than limited and casual. Then feel a bit sorry for the rest of his playgroup.
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i know a guy who will stick it in every single deck he plays... with krark's thumb
...god i miss that playgroup.
edit: wait this guy doesn't flip coins... well the point was that the entire defck would be random whatever i've been drinking.
You're not wrong, the Izzet 'random' back in Old Rav was far more 'one good thing happens or one different good thing happens', but you lacked control of it. Odds portion of Odds & Ends, Development half of Research & Development both cover this. As they did something to your advantage, just you didn't know what.
Stitch in Time was the only 'random' card without a second upside, but it wasn't a downside. Either you got an extra turn or it did nothing.
This is definitely the worst wording of a card I've seen since The Dark. Is it
The wording is just flat out awful and ambiguous as Hell. This thing is worse for the kitchen table than Recurring Nightmare when it comes to rules arguments and finding itself misplayed. And trust me, no matter the final ruling on this card, a lot of casual players will misplay this - the wording is just too bad to avoid that.
As to the quality of the card itself, it depends on what WotC intended. I expect an errata on this card once it becomes clear how confusing this critter is.
I know bad cards have to exist from a power standpoint - but bad cards from an ease to play standpoint do not have to exist. Plop this down late game in a 5 player multiplayer game and it will slow the game down fairly resolving it far more than Sensei's Divining Top or Sharazad. Indeed, if it works according to the first interpretation it will eventually be banned - not because it is powerful but because it can be used to stalemate games trying to resolve it.
(Which is sad, no card should take that much thought time to parse out).
I believe the way they want the reading to break up is...
If the intent of the card was for players to be randomly targeted it would have read
"target creature or target player chosen at random"
Or more likely, there would be a comma in there
"target creature or target player, chosen at random"
Choosing a random player is easy enough - flip a coin in a duel, and polyhedral dice or drawing lots works in multiplayer.
Also, that reading makes the costing make sense. It's a 3 CMC critter that has a 2 reliable point plink on critters, and a less reliable plink on players.
2 damage against creatures only for 3 CMC is enough to make it constructed playable - that it flies and can plink players randomly is gravy.
And also, to be fair, was long before WotC paid much attention to multiplayer. Grip of Chaos will never see a reprint nor will a similar card ever be printed.