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Judges are having a conference about this, while we speak :).
Regeneration is indeed a replacement effect under 419.6b, and the "put a counter" part it does not come with a timing restriction (for example regenerate THEN do something). Some judges believe that he creature will survive, others express no opinion and look for precedent.
Edit: On the other hand, some judges suggest that the word "instead" should exist at the end of the replacement effect, since it's not simply regeneration.
If it used the word instead, then destroy effects would do nothing even if his regeneration was prevented. It's definitely worded oddly for a replacement effect, because it doesn't actually fully replace being destroyed. That leads me further to believe it's a fake, although it could just be Wizards toying around with new things.
Judges are having a conference about this, while we speak :).
Regeneration is indeed a replacement effect under 419.6b, and the "put a counter" part it does not come with a timing restriction (for example regenerate THEN do something). Some judges believe that he creature will survive, others express no opinion and look for precedent.
Edit: On the other hand, some judges suggest that the word "instead" should exist at the end of the replacement effect, since it's not simply regeneration.
Good to know. Most likely answer will end up being "check back once it's officially released", but I think I lean towards the "it will survive" end of things.
As far as whether it's fake or not... I think we're grasping at straws at the moment. Yes, the picture could be better quality, but I personally think the bit where it's not green where it should be is probably due to shadowing and poor quality more than "it's fake". That said, I don't think it's confirmed either, and am just going to speculate on how the rules would work if it is printed.
Edit: As far as the whole 'it should have an instead', then it wouldn't interact properly with things like Incinerate. For an example, see again Mossbridge Troll
Why is the artwork's frame completely black on the top half? If it were real, the frame would be split Black/Green right in the middle.
There's no arguing here, the photo itself shows the correct depiction on the bottom of the artwork's frame (B/G) while the top entirely black. Yeah, pretty much fake or a mock-up.
This. How so many people looked past that I have no idea.
Yes, the picture could be better quality, but I personally think the bit where it's not green where it should be is probably due to shadowing and poor quality more than "it's fake".
As a photographer I agree with this. Improper white balance and color temperature is likely responsible.
As a photographer I agree with this. Improper white balance and color temperature is likely responsible.
I mean.... you can clearly see the green above and below his type line, and yet somehow the "white balance" and "color temperature" or "blurriness" obscures the green from the entire top right half of the card?
Look how bright and obvious the green is above "Troll Warrior". How do you go from that to straight black?
You can even see some green down at the bottom near his power/toughness, so kinda hard to swallow any of these "it's the angle / quality of the photograph" arguments.
The name text seems to be way too bold than it should be (given that card names are bolder than normal text anyway but this is way too bold)
Like others have said the colors are wrong along the top border (even if that part wasn't in the light the green would still be noticeable)
The expansion symbol seems really off to me (could be because we can't see the other part of the card)
The 2nd set of quotation marks seem too off (could just be an error, crazier **** has happened)
Hmm a Troll being spoiled on April 1st very puzzling and its from 4chan.
With all of this information we have here I have to sadly say, being a fan since the beginning, that this is fake. I just hope the real deal is just a good as this mockup.
One thing I like about this guy, if someone does the double pillar of flame, just doom blade it in response!
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One thing I like about this guy, if someone does the double pillar of flame, just doom blade it in response!
That's unnecessary. Pillar of Flame won't exile this guy because he'd never die from it. "Dies" specifically means go from the battlefield to the graveyard. A creature that's regenerated never leaves the battlefield.
I also find the typeline odd. Specifically, "Legendary" is much farther to the left than on Obzedat, Ghost Council] or Prime Speaker Zegana. Both of those have sufficiently long typelines that I think they would be similar. In fact, a quick search of recent sets didn't show any that put the start of the types that far left. Note I didn't do anything exhaustive.
The center of the photo could have been the target of the auto-focus, so everything moving away from that reading point could diminish.
It is possible that darker greens vanish completely while lighter greens preserve, even become more prominent.
Color, especially when shooting under incandescent or fluorescent, is very finicky.
Other legendaries don't use the full name in the second effect. See Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord.
Happens all the time.
Many legends truncate names for references beyond the first in their text: Animar, Soul of Elements.
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Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
This card lacks symmetry.
Even the bad quality of the photo is no excuse -- the green should be obvious.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/507
No. Thrun was in Mirrodin Besieged which came out in Feb 2011. So, couldn't have happened.
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Redhead + Tsundere = Win
Shimapan + Thigh Highs = Win
This is not true because Thrun was in a middle set so he couldn't have been spoiled in april.
If this wasn't the case, he'd suck.
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Yeah, I'm calling fake for the same reason. Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord and Dreg Mangler have the black/green split throughout.
I always thought the font looked off, anyway, and at least a faker should have put the already known artist's name in.
If it used the word instead, then destroy effects would do nothing even if his regeneration was prevented. It's definitely worded oddly for a replacement effect, because it doesn't actually fully replace being destroyed. That leads me further to believe it's a fake, although it could just be Wizards toying around with new things.
Good to know. Most likely answer will end up being "check back once it's officially released", but I think I lean towards the "it will survive" end of things.
As far as whether it's fake or not... I think we're grasping at straws at the moment. Yes, the picture could be better quality, but I personally think the bit where it's not green where it should be is probably due to shadowing and poor quality more than "it's fake". That said, I don't think it's confirmed either, and am just going to speculate on how the rules would work if it is printed.
Edit: As far as the whole 'it should have an instead', then it wouldn't interact properly with things like Incinerate. For an example, see again Mossbridge Troll
Yeah that would be pretty sad I agree.
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This. How so many people looked past that I have no idea.
As a photographer I agree with this. Improper white balance and color temperature is likely responsible.
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However, 3 things;
1) Wrong Green color on the frame's edge. Too saturated. See Borbygymos Enraged as reference.
2) Name/Type plate is too bright, ala Rav 1.0 vs 2.0. Compare Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord to Sisters of Stone Death.
3) Font is off. The spacing on 'V' is too great. This is called kerning. The spacing of the lines is too great too.
4) There seems to be a space at the end of the flavor text. ( you. " vs you." )
I mean.... you can clearly see the green above and below his type line, and yet somehow the "white balance" and "color temperature" or "blurriness" obscures the green from the entire top right half of the card?
Look how bright and obvious the green is above "Troll Warrior". How do you go from that to straight black?
You can even see some green down at the bottom near his power/toughness, so kinda hard to swallow any of these "it's the angle / quality of the photograph" arguments.
Fake.
The name text seems to be way too bold than it should be (given that card names are bolder than normal text anyway but this is way too bold)
Like others have said the colors are wrong along the top border (even if that part wasn't in the light the green would still be noticeable)
The expansion symbol seems really off to me (could be because we can't see the other part of the card)
The 2nd set of quotation marks seem too off (could just be an error, crazier **** has happened)
Hmm a Troll being spoiled on April 1st very puzzling and its from 4chan.
With all of this information we have here I have to sadly say, being a fan since the beginning, that this is fake. I just hope the real deal is just a good as this mockup.
The center of the photo could have been the target of the auto-focus, so everything moving away from that reading point could diminish.
It is possible that darker greens vanish completely while lighter greens preserve, even become more prominent.
Color, especially when shooting under incandescent or fluorescent, is very finicky.
Modern
RBig RedR
GMean GreenG
WWW AlliesW
BGScavengeBG
WUVenser SilenceWU
EDH
RWAurelia 1 vs 1RW
GWURoonGWU
GWSaffiGW