Sorin vs. Tibalt (Decklist Update March 1st)

  • #51
    Punishing Fire has the added bonus of working well against the life gain that will inevitably be in Sorin's deck if he is Sorin 2.0 (And he really most likely is).

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    I'm not getting why people are saying this is a "random" pairing. They're both native to Innistrad. Last we saw them, they were both on Innistrad. They have clashing personalities. They have opposing goals. If the two of them did meet on Innistrad (not unlikely) they would definitely not get along, and would likely end up fighting one another.

    It's more that Tibalt and Sorin had no previous contact in the storyline (There's also a huge mismatch in power). I guess that would put them in the Elspeth vs Tezzeret category, but people didn't care because Elspeth is the second best Planeswalker ever printed.
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  • #52
    Tibalt is fun in EDH though...sure the random discard is pretty bad, but do you know how much fun it is to Insurrection with Thraximundar on the field, sacrifice all of your opponent's creatures to a Fallen Angel, and then kill two people in one turn with an overwhelming field presence to fight the third with?

    Let me tell you, it feels good. Tibalt's card isn't SUPER fantastic, but I still like this DD.
  • #53
    If it has sorin, lord of innistrad i will get one, been wanting one of him since DKA
  • #54
    release date march :*(
    oh well, maybe i won't be poor by then.

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    damn straight! this guy. (mostly just because i hope it's Sorin 2.0 seeing as that was one of two cards i really wanted out of Dark Ascension and never got, despite opening tons of product)

    Quote from luminum can
    It wouldn't make much sense for Tibalt to be using Avacynian magic. Miracles in general wouldn't make sense for Tibalt's deck for that reason and because his +1 ability draws a second card on your turn. Duel decks built around planeswalkers are made to have synergy with the planeswalker's abilities and match their general flavor and mechanical themes.


    which is exactly why i think Devil's Play is probably a shoe-in.
    Fiery Temper would be a nice inclusion, as well. (madness cards in general, especially if the deck isn't simply mono-red)

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    Look at Koth v Venser. Both Mirran, but wanted to do it THEIR way. So they have to fight about it.


    Venser isn't/wasn't Mirran. he's from Dominaria (Urborg).
    speaking of Koth, though, that brings me to my last thought on the subject: surely....suuuuurely they aren't making yet...another...mono-red Duel Deck.
    ....surely....right?

    i could see Tibalt being B/R (not saying a new pw card, necessarily; just his deck).
    idk, anything. anything but another stale mono-red Duel Deck.
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  • #55
    Tibalt? Seriously Wizards? Unless the deck is packing serious heat to complement his less than stellar abilities, I can see this being a massive flop
  • #56
    Quote from Unskilled Ninja
    Punishing Fire has the added bonus of working well against the life gain that will inevitably be in Sorin's deck if he is Sorin 2.0 (And he really most likely is).


    It's more that Tibalt and Sorin had no previous contact in the storyline (There's also a huge mismatch in power). I guess that would put them in the Elspeth vs Tezzeret category, but people didn't care because Elspeth is the second best Planeswalker ever printed.


    It makes more sense that Tibalt and Sorin would meet than Elspeth and Tezzeret, at the time of their duel deck. Tezzeret had left Esper and the rest of the shards before the Conflux happened, and didn't return there until after Alara Reborn happened, so they couldn't have met there. They met on Mirrodin, but the duel deck takes place before then, and was printed before Scars of Mirrodin.
  • #57
    Quote from Unskilled Ninja
    People really hate random abilities (Unless the random hits your opponent), and with good reason. Chandra Naalar is bad, but she's at least fun in casual and maybe EDH. Tibalt is horrible. Even when you design a deck around his + ability, you still have a deck that works better replacing him.

    His character is pretty nice, his art is great, his card design is awful.


    I don't see that at all. How is Chandra fun at all? She's easily the most boring planeswalker card. Oooh, turn 5 I get to start pinging people, hooray. Even her ulti is boring, whereas Tibalt has probably the strongest EDH card out as his ult. The only reason Chandra has a spot in my Lyzolda EDH deck is because I have an anime Chandra, but Tibalt would have a spot regardless.
  • #58
    Worst duel deck ever.
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  • #59
    I hope the lists are good for this I would love to pick up an alternate art Tibalt but if the only decent card is Sorin I might skip it.

    Quick wish list of thing, Vexing Devil, Vindicate, Zealous Persecution, thats all I can think of

    The problem is if Tibalt's deck is mono red there are only so many valuable or chase cards that are mono red so how do you print cards that people want especially without stepping on the toes of other such products. Anger would be perfect for a Tibalt deck but can or should it be put in just after being in KothvsVensor.

    Oh I got it alternate art faithless looting with a kick ass picture of Tibalt

    I have loved some of the alternate arts from the duel decks, they had a sweet Anger in Koth deck and great copies of both Punishing Fire and Seething Song in dragons so another sweet alternate art would be nice especially since Tibalt really does have a sweet character design
  • #60
    Perhaps they'll make Tibalt's deck a U/R one? His +1 works a lot better when you have access to more flashback cards, of which U has a lot of.
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  • #61
    Sigh I really would like a duel deck where it isnt mono R or has R in it.

    Its possible Tibalt might be R/ but I really would of prefered Nissa. A new take on Elves vs Vampires would of been decent. The story lines feels even less plausable than Venser vs Koth. Even Tamyio as others have said makes more sense as Sorin could be angry at her for merely sitting and watching. (Something about doing nothing is worse than doing something bad).

    Im not that upset though ill be interested to see how they will work with Tibalts abiltys Im guessing alot of hellbent cards. Lol the one thing that I noticed who is Kelly Digges? can I dig it?

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  • #62
    Quote from Landrid
    The story lines feels even less plausable than Venser vs Koth. Even Tamyio as others have said makes more sense as Sorin could be angry at her for merely sitting and watching. (Something about doing nothing is worse than doing something bad).


    I have no idea how this pairing makes less sense to you than that. What exactly is implausible about these two meeting and getting in a fight?
  • #63
    Maybe Tibalt sneaks off to Ravnica and joins up with the Rakdos cult and we'll get a BR Tibalt in this deck. AWESOME

    Really though. I love Sorin and Sorin 2 is one of my favorite Planeswalker cards, but I just don't know about this one. I think I'd almost have rather seen another Garruk (veil-cursed) vs Liliana (of the Veil) deck instead.

    I'll wait until the deck lists of course, but since I tend to generally hate mono-red decks and we've already had two mono-red and a UR duel deck now, I can't really think of anything exciting that Tibalt's deck could do. Also hoping Sorin's deck won't just be vampire tribal. Would be nice to see a Vindicate in it, but I don't know if Wizards would want to put a spell that destroys a Planeswalker in a Planeswalker DD. Debtors' Knell would be great too, but that doesn't seem like something Sorin could cast.


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  • #65
    Quote from luminum can
    I have no idea how this pairing makes less sense to you than that. What exactly is implausible about these two meeting and getting in a fight?


    Well venser vs koth did atleast meet and interact with each other lot. The coloes were enemys I.e blue and white vs red. The fighting made sense on maybe not a pyshical level but the clash of methods was there. With Sorin vs tibalt and sorin doesn't make sense color wise. And especially since tibalt sounds really black in the discription
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  • #66
    Definitely did not see THIS coming....

    I sincerely hope that this will be indeed Sorin, Lord of Innistrad included.Considering the flavor background, Sorin Markov would not make sense, and including Sorin Markov and Tibalt would hardly be an incentive to buy this product.

    Leaves me wondering if there is anything coming in Ravnica that is going to make Tibalt playable, because if they designed a DD with him, they must be sure (or take it as high probability) that people would WANT Tibalt...
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  • #67
    It doesn't matter what the colours of the decks are. Sorin's a good guy, Tibalt's a bad guy. That's really all it comes down to.
  • #68
    I can kind of see sorins deck being a token swarm or even some kind of black white control fitting sorin,while the tibalt deck will be a pile of crap no one wants to pick up that's worth less than a bus pass.
  • #69
    So... if it's about good paring or not... I guess I will say as characters they are. Opposing ideal, Same background in which both of them are from Innistrad, One for Protection of th human while the other is giving pain. I think it makes more sense than vs Tamiyo.

    Yes, they can make a Sorin vs Nissa since they had some grudges. But I would say what if the wizards decided to give her a 2.0 during RTR? (Well... I guess Nissa for Golgari makes some sense since there are some elves there in Golgari)

    As a story lover, I love how Tibalt had ignited his spark. So as a character I would love him to come back as much as he can. So this duel deck is a shutupandtakemymoney choice
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  • #70
    I hope this deck is as good quality as the Izzet vs Golgari one. Ill probably pick it up for alternate art sorin though.


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  • #71
    Quote from jhneoh
    Perhaps they'll make Tibalt's deck a U/R one? His +1 works a lot better when you have access to more flashback cards, of which U has a lot of.


    Or B/R, with madness cards. Then again blue has good madness cards too. I'd expect Tibalts deck (if the Tibalt is the AVR Tibalt, and not a preview) to have some madness and flashback in it.
  • #72
    My thoughts in a nutshell

    Anyway, there's virtually 0% chance of me getting this. Wizards would have to do something awesome to get my money, and at this point I don't see how they could.
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  • #73
    Rolleyes <- My face when they reveal Chain Lightning and alt art Vampiric Tutor, Vindicate & Blood Moon and suddenly this is worth a gazillion dollars.

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    Leaves me wondering if there is anything coming in Ravnica that is going to make Tibalt playable, because if they designed a DD with him, they must be sure (or take it as high probability) that people would WANT Tibalt...


    A Megrim on steroids that deals 3 damage to an oponent when you discard a card? Sounds Rakdos to me.

    Tibalt sucks but not even Venser vs Koth sucked as much as the drama queens in this forum want to believe. It had a couple good cards, planeswalkers included, and was fun.
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  • #74
    Unearth would also work well with Tibalt.

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    I can't believe anyone is excited about this card. It is absolutely unplayable. I wouldn't even play her in LIMITED. Easily the worst walker printed since the green elf one. Absolutely terrible.
  • #75
    Quote from fnord
    They probably thought it would be attractive because they thought Tibalt would be worth ten times as much as he actually is.


    This is almost certainly what happened. Which doesn't surprise me, because R&D has been doing a pretty miserable job lately when it comes to evaluating card power level correctly.
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