In the past they have done it 1-2 weeks before it got released, at least in recent times. Before that they were far more open about the content at an earlier date.
Secondly, Tibalt is really unpopular. WotC brought back Elspeth and Sorin because they were well-liked. So unless Tibalt's popularity improves, or unless someone in the creative department finds a good use for him in-story, Tibalt ever getting a second card seems unlikely.
Why would they wait for Tibalt's popularity to increase before making a new version of him? Why not reverse the cause/effect formula, and print a new version of him, with the hope that the new version may increase his popularity?
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Atleast we can hope for some good ozhov cards along with some skullcracks. Though sometimes cards from new sets barely show up kinda like Koth vs Venser
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All these people saying Tibalt is crap need to proxy up a set and try him. The card draw in mono-red is nuts. In a deck with a very low mana curve and lots of redundancy (BURN) you can stop dropping lands when you hit 3-4 and just discard them to Tibalt. All the while he's representing a clock to your opponents.
Tibalt's +1 is something you do every turn you're not taking counters off him, but its not just an autopilot move. Sometimes you'll want to play your land first. Sometimes you guess that you are going to draw an excess land, and hold one back so your chance of discarding one increases. Sometimes you'll want to get the best card out of your hand before +1. Sometimes you won't be able to unless you +1, get a land and dont discard it or the other card. Tibalt's +1 requires extra thought on the part of the mono-red player, and offers extra choices as its reward. Sometimes Tibalt makes you throw away your best card and shafts you, but all the times he helps you out will be worth it.
Tibalt is AWESOME. Sleeve some up today!
Q: How is drawing a card and discarding one at random each turn good?
A: It's not.
I've come to think that the people who -really- haven't seen Tibalt in action are the folks who think he is good. Everyone else seems to have come to a consensus.
Q: How is drawing a card and discarding one at random each turn good?
A: It's not.
I've come to think that the people who -really- haven't seen Tibalt in action are the folks who think he is good. Everyone else seems to have come to a consensus.
It isn't good unless you build your deck to take advantage of it. Such as with madness, flashback, the anger cycle, or my personal hope- dragon breath
I think Wizards knows what they're doing and this deck will be fun and good. i personally am expecting wheel of fate. wheel of fortune would be cooler, but fate seems more likely.
It isn't good unless you build your deck to take advantage of it. Such as with madness, flashback, the anger cycle, or my personal hope- dragon breath
I think Wizards knows what they're doing and this deck will be fun and good. i personally am expecting wheel of fate. wheel of fortune would be cooler, but fate seems more likely.
Still not very good, even with madness and flashback. Wild Mongrel would have been absolute rubbish back in the day if you had to discard at random. I would rather have Wild Mongrel and Aquamoeba in any madness deck than tibalt.
Still not very good, even with madness and flashback. Wild Mongrel would have been absolute rubbish back in the day if you had to discard at random. I would rather have Wild Mongrel and Aquamoeba in any madness deck than tibalt.
random discard certainly isn't ideal, but wild mongrel never once gained control of all creatures.
Why would they wait for Tibalt's popularity to increase before making a new version of him? Why not reverse the cause/effect formula, and print a new version of him, with the hope that the new version may increase his popularity?
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that WotC is waiting for Tibalt to become popular before giving him a new card. I'm saying that giving that printing another Tibalt card probably isn't even on the table, and that it would take a sudden rise in his popularity (or, as I said, someone in creative finding a good use for him in-story) for them to start considering it. After all, why print a new version of Tibalt, and hope that it makes people like him, when they can just bring back a different planeswalker that WotC knows people like? Or they could come up with a new planeswalker, one that would appeal to the same sort of people that Tibalt appeals to, but would be free of the negative stigma surrounding Tibalt.
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Q: How is drawing a card and discarding one at random each turn good?
A: It's not.
I've come to think that the people who -really- haven't seen Tibalt in action are the folks who think he is good. Everyone else seems to have come to a consensus.
He sounds great on paper, but I have to agree that discarding a card at random is absolutely not good. If it read draw a card; discard a card, it would have been insanely better. Random is (or at least usually) never good.
Tibalt is the wrong choice, it would have made much more sense if it where domri rade or Vraska, the unseen i mean the ravnica guild battles, orzhov vs golgari/gruul, interesting? I do think so
They already kind of did something like that with Niv and Jarad though.
I think it makes sense to have a dual deck set focusing on the Innistrad block, and that leaves them with only a few choices if they wanted to match Sorin up against someone; Tamiyo is a bad choice because she wouldn't fight Sorin, and Tibalt is enough of an idiot to try. He's an upstart, and likely wants to increase his power by taking on someone as old and powerful as Sorin. (Of course all of that is only my interpretation.)
In the end while I may not like Tibalt very much, he is not why most of us would buy this product. He's a terrible planeswalker, but so? He's one card in 120 cards (-44 to 50 or so cards for lands.)
Tibalt is the wrong choice, it would have made much more sense if it where domri rade or Vraska, the unseen i mean the ravnica guild battles, orzhov vs golgari/gruul, interesting? I do think so
Next year- they have a pattern pretty well established here.
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On the subject of Wild Mongrel in Madness Decks compared to Tibalt:
Wild Mongrel Pros:
-You can pick any card to discard to Wild Mongrel, thus making your madness dudes or your Circular Logics come out when you want them to.
-Wild Mongrel attacks for 2 or more each turn.
-You can't attack a Wild Mongrel to death.
-Wild Mongrel's discard ability is instant speed, which is very relevant in Madness. End of opponents turn dudes are scary. Not to mention, [CARD]Circular Logic
[/CARD], which can't be used with Tibalt.
-Wild Mongrel has an easier casting cost, and is in the same colour as Basking Rootwalla.
Wild Mongrel Cons:
-Discard ability is card disadvantage.
-Can't do Tibalt's other highly situational abilities.
I think anyone that says that Tibalt is good in Madness decks doesn't really know what made Madness decks good.
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that WotC is waiting for Tibalt to become popular before giving him a new card. I'm saying that giving that printing another Tibalt card probably isn't even on the table, and that it would take a sudden rise in his popularity (or, as I said, someone in creative finding a good use for him in-story) for them to start considering it. After all, why print a new version of Tibalt, and hope that it makes people like him, when they can just bring back a different planeswalker that WotC knows people like? Or they could come up with a new planeswalker, one that would appeal to the same sort of people that Tibalt appeals to, but would be free of the negative stigma surrounding Tibalt.
Perhaps that is true, but there have been four cards that depict Jace, and three of numerous other planeswalkers, while there has been only one of Tibalt. I find it difficult to believe that those planeswalkers are so popular with the players that their popularity is the sole reason for their numerous reprints; i.e., I believe that WotC is attempting to make them popular with the numerous reprints, rather than simply observing if the players truly are fond of those characters. That is terribly unfair to Tibalt, in my mind, as I find him to be an interesting character and would very much like to see him further developed as a character in the story of the game.
With that being said, have not the staff of WotC stated that each card that depicts a planeswalkers depicts only a portion of their full power and personality? The four cards that depict Jace each show a different fraction of his full self (i.e., his abilities and his character), so I shall presume that Tibalt is not such a one-dimensional character that his card is the full depiction of his power and personality, either. Surely, someone at WotC will wish to further develop him as a character at some point in the future?
I believe that WotC is attempting to make them popular with the numerous reprints, rather than simply observing if the players truly are fond of those characters. That is terribly unfair to Tibalt, in my mind, as I find him to be an interesting character and would very much like to see him further developed as a character in the story of the game.
I personally liked Nissa and would of liked to see Nissa vs Sorin but noooo wizards wanted to include a even crapper planeswalker cause I dont know maybe they like keeping there things in the same set. Meh meh meh FAVOR BE DAMMED!
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I think if this is just a reprint of the current Tibalt then this is just another bad decision by WoTC / Hasbro. I. e. very limited run of FtV: Realms, even more limited run of Commanders Arsenal, price hike on the new Ravnica Block.
I think if this is just a reprint of the current Tibalt then this is just another bad decision by WoTC / Hasbro. I. e. very limited run of FtV: Realms, even more limited run of Commanders Arsenal, price hike on the new Ravnica Block.
The official materials for the decks make it pretty clear this battle happens on/during Innistrad.
They aren't going to retcon either PW to a different version than was printed in-block.
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I personally liked Nissa and would of liked to see Nissa vs Sorin but noooo wizards wanted to include a even crapper planeswalker cause I dont know maybe they like keeping there things in the same set. Meh meh meh FAVOR BE DAMMED!
Unfortunately, half of the first Duel Deck was elves, and that's all Nissa does. Maybe in ten years it'll be Nissa vs. All Three Eldrazi when she gets a second version.
I'm personally holding out for the Duel Deck Nissa vs. Tamiyo: Planeswalker Pillow Fight. It's time Magic earned that 'Ages 13 and Up' rating.
The last 4 Duel decks (including Tibalt/Sorin) were about Planeswalkers.
I really want a new duel deck with different theme.
Like Divine/Demonic, Angels/Demons, Elves/Goblins.. weren't these awesome?
They alternate between Planeswalker vs. Planeswalker and a different theme. Golgari vs. Izzet and Knights vs. Dragons were the last two non-planeswalker duel decks.
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I find it difficult to believe that those planeswalkers are so popular with the players that their popularity is the sole reason for their numerous reprints
I never said that. As I said, planeswalkers also get new cards because they're featuring in the block's story. Jace gets used in the story a lot, (and he's one of the Lorwyn five; WotC is trying to push them as the face of MtG) so he gets a lot of cards. Tibalt hasn't featured in the story at all; he was basically just an experiment to see if a two mana planeswalker could be done. It's possible that someone in creative will find a brilliant use for Tibalt in-story, and that he'll get an awesome new card, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
Surely, someone at WotC will wish to further develop him as a character at some point in the future?
Maybe. But you know what everyone (who works on MtG) at WotC really wants to do? Get people excited about buying boosters in the hope of pulling cool cards. Tibalt failed to do that before, so why risk the possibility of him doing that again?
You have to keep in mind the fact that it's WotC's job to be in tune with what their players like and what their players dislike. The block we're in the middle of is a testament to that fact. Note how there's never been a "Return to Ulgrotha" block, despite the fact that the ending to Homelands was a cliffhanger, and an obvious sequel hook.
Like Divine/Demonic, Angels/Demons, Elves/Goblins.. weren't these awesome?
1) Divine vs Demonic was the Angels/Demons duel deck. You named the same duel deck twice.
2) Have you actually played the Divine vs Demonic duel decks? They're terrible.
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Why did they change their policy?
Why would they wait for Tibalt's popularity to increase before making a new version of him? Why not reverse the cause/effect formula, and print a new version of him, with the hope that the new version may increase his popularity?
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Speculation concerns, most likely.
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Q: How is drawing a card and discarding one at random each turn good?
A: It's not.
I've come to think that the people who -really- haven't seen Tibalt in action are the folks who think he is good. Everyone else seems to have come to a consensus.
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It isn't good unless you build your deck to take advantage of it. Such as with madness, flashback, the anger cycle, or my personal hope- dragon breath
I think Wizards knows what they're doing and this deck will be fun and good. i personally am expecting wheel of fate. wheel of fortune would be cooler, but fate seems more likely.
Still not very good, even with madness and flashback. Wild Mongrel would have been absolute rubbish back in the day if you had to discard at random. I would rather have Wild Mongrel and Aquamoeba in any madness deck than tibalt.
Juju Alters - Altered MTG Cards
random discard certainly isn't ideal, but wild mongrel never once gained control of all creatures.
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that WotC is waiting for Tibalt to become popular before giving him a new card. I'm saying that giving that printing another Tibalt card probably isn't even on the table, and that it would take a sudden rise in his popularity (or, as I said, someone in creative finding a good use for him in-story) for them to start considering it. After all, why print a new version of Tibalt, and hope that it makes people like him, when they can just bring back a different planeswalker that WotC knows people like? Or they could come up with a new planeswalker, one that would appeal to the same sort of people that Tibalt appeals to, but would be free of the negative stigma surrounding Tibalt.
On the other hand, Tibalt doesn't attack for two or more each turn.
Wild Mongrel's ability to attack is something you can rely on, Tibalt's Insurrection is not.
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I know this because people keep telling me to take him out.
HA!
Yeah, I'd be pretty disappointed as well,
opening a cube Mythic only to discover freaking Tibalt!
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
He sounds great on paper, but I have to agree that discarding a card at random is absolutely not good. If it read draw a card; discard a card, it would have been insanely better. Random is (or at least usually) never good.
They already kind of did something like that with Niv and Jarad though.
I think it makes sense to have a dual deck set focusing on the Innistrad block, and that leaves them with only a few choices if they wanted to match Sorin up against someone; Tamiyo is a bad choice because she wouldn't fight Sorin, and Tibalt is enough of an idiot to try. He's an upstart, and likely wants to increase his power by taking on someone as old and powerful as Sorin. (Of course all of that is only my interpretation.)
In the end while I may not like Tibalt very much, he is not why most of us would buy this product. He's a terrible planeswalker, but so? He's one card in 120 cards (-44 to 50 or so cards for lands.)
Next year- they have a pattern pretty well established here.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Duel Decks: Ral Zareck Vs. Domri Rade
or even
Jace Vs Domri Rade
Wild Mongrel Pros:
-You can pick any card to discard to Wild Mongrel, thus making your madness dudes or your Circular Logics come out when you want them to.
-Wild Mongrel attacks for 2 or more each turn.
-You can't attack a Wild Mongrel to death.
-Wild Mongrel's discard ability is instant speed, which is very relevant in Madness. End of opponents turn dudes are scary. Not to mention, [CARD]Circular Logic
[/CARD], which can't be used with Tibalt.
-Wild Mongrel has an easier casting cost, and is in the same colour as Basking Rootwalla.
Wild Mongrel Cons:
-Discard ability is card disadvantage.
-Can't do Tibalt's other highly situational abilities.
I think anyone that says that Tibalt is good in Madness decks doesn't really know what made Madness decks good.
Juju Alters - Altered MTG Cards
Perhaps that is true, but there have been four cards that depict Jace, and three of numerous other planeswalkers, while there has been only one of Tibalt. I find it difficult to believe that those planeswalkers are so popular with the players that their popularity is the sole reason for their numerous reprints; i.e., I believe that WotC is attempting to make them popular with the numerous reprints, rather than simply observing if the players truly are fond of those characters. That is terribly unfair to Tibalt, in my mind, as I find him to be an interesting character and would very much like to see him further developed as a character in the story of the game.
With that being said, have not the staff of WotC stated that each card that depicts a planeswalkers depicts only a portion of their full power and personality? The four cards that depict Jace each show a different fraction of his full self (i.e., his abilities and his character), so I shall presume that Tibalt is not such a one-dimensional character that his card is the full depiction of his power and personality, either. Surely, someone at WotC will wish to further develop him as a character at some point in the future?
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I personally liked Nissa and would of liked to see Nissa vs Sorin but noooo wizards wanted to include a even crapper planeswalker cause I dont know maybe they like keeping there things in the same set. Meh meh meh FAVOR BE DAMMED!
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
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I don't usually state things with this much confidence here,
but it *will* be Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded (and Sorin, Lord of Innistrad).
The official materials for the decks make it pretty clear this battle happens on/during Innistrad.
They aren't going to retcon either PW to a different version than was printed in-block.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Unfortunately, half of the first Duel Deck was elves, and that's all Nissa does. Maybe in ten years it'll be Nissa vs. All Three Eldrazi when she gets a second version.
I'm personally holding out for the Duel Deck Nissa vs. Tamiyo: Planeswalker Pillow Fight. It's time Magic earned that 'Ages 13 and Up' rating.
They alternate between Planeswalker vs. Planeswalker and a different theme. Golgari vs. Izzet and Knights vs. Dragons were the last two non-planeswalker duel decks.
I never said that. As I said, planeswalkers also get new cards because they're featuring in the block's story. Jace gets used in the story a lot, (and he's one of the Lorwyn five; WotC is trying to push them as the face of MtG) so he gets a lot of cards. Tibalt hasn't featured in the story at all; he was basically just an experiment to see if a two mana planeswalker could be done. It's possible that someone in creative will find a brilliant use for Tibalt in-story, and that he'll get an awesome new card, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
Maybe. But you know what everyone (who works on MtG) at WotC really wants to do? Get people excited about buying boosters in the hope of pulling cool cards. Tibalt failed to do that before, so why risk the possibility of him doing that again?
You have to keep in mind the fact that it's WotC's job to be in tune with what their players like and what their players dislike. The block we're in the middle of is a testament to that fact. Note how there's never been a "Return to Ulgrotha" block, despite the fact that the ending to Homelands was a cliffhanger, and an obvious sequel hook.
Izzet vs Golgari is hurt that you forgot about it so soon.
1) Divine vs Demonic was the Angels/Demons duel deck. You named the same duel deck twice.
2) Have you actually played the Divine vs Demonic duel decks? They're terrible.