among others Aurochs Herd would like to have a word:
no "if you do" on the may ability. besides, wordings will change / evolve. getting simpler and simpler. and they have been known to make short cuts to fit longer texts.
this has been discussed many times before but nissa revane, for example, has no art protruding outside the border. so that argument doesn't hold.
maybe a mod should update the first post with this sort of information.
might i add my statement was i have REASON TO BELIEVE not saying it is set in stone not real i'm just saying. though it is an interesting planeswalker i would've chosen a different first 2 abilities
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The question is - why in the hell a Planeswalker would not only have a mechanic which doesn't belong to the set but also, share it with another Planeswalker (Garruk from INN)? When I realised that I was like "oh, you fake fakey!"
A ) You can't possibly know what doesn't belong in GTC, as the only evidence we have of what belongs is the card you're calling fake.
B ) Planeswalkers have shared abilities before in the past.
C ) The ability you're talking about isn't shared with Garruk. Two creatures fight for Domri's ability, while Garruk fights a creature for his.
They have for a couple of days-
Interestingly, they've sold out of Domri several times,
but haven't changed his price,
while Aurelia has already jumped 50%.
Starcity never had any kind of logic in setting the prices in the first place. I'm kinda used to it.
$25 dollars for a new planeswalker seems like an excellent price, even if some people think he won't be good. He has nowhere to go but up. I for one think this guy will jump up to 35-40 leading up to the release. Naya/Gruul should be a really strong deck post GTC.
$25 dollars for a new planeswalker seems like an excellent price, even if some people think he won't be good. He has nowhere to go but up. I for one think this guy will jump up to 35-40 leading up to the release. Naya/Gruul should be a really strong deck post GTC.
Well, rather than having no where to go but up, he does in fact have the possibility of going down, as almost every PW ever to be released has done.
Vraska isn't terrible, she just hasn't found the correct home in the current standard condition. Domri looks promising in the right deck, too.
Yea Vraska suffers a ton from the fact that Dreadbore / Detentionsphere and Restoration Angel / Thragdusk are played, which is like the complete metagame that speaks against it.
Overall she is overcosted removal and her +1 is pretty meaningless and worthless in the format, also the ultimate is quite random and might actual kill yourself in worst.
This makes it a 5 mana removal, which is plain bad as we have so much high quality point removal running around and mass removal is also quite good.
Shes not "bad" , but the kind of removal in this format is either undercosted or super efficient for its targets.
Its actual very unlikely for her to see play in her time in standard, which so much conflicting cards right beside her.
And she is even more meaningless in older formats, so only casual fodder.
Something else on topic of the spoilers.
It is kinda bad that 5 mythics of which 2 guildmasters, are spoiled.
This will make the spoilerperiod much worse.
This is not like the godbook incident, but 5 mythics 3 months before a set is released is still pretty severe.
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Something else on topic of the spoilers.
It is kinda bad that 5 mythics of which 2 guildmasters, are spoiled.
This will make the spoilerperiod much worse.
This is not like the godbook incident, but 5 mythics 3 months before a set is released is still pretty severe.
The new planeswalker is incredibly strong.
Card advantage for a 3 cmc planeswalker? Yes please
Targeted creature destruction? Yes please
card advantage that is worse than the last tezzeret in terms of reliability, even if you run nearly all creatures, and a small creature killing mechanic unless you want to trade with your opponent.
Well I think we could speculate around the basis that we know there will be some +1 counters, and probably in green. So going off this I expect Grull or Simic to have counters in the mechanic, and Grull seems very likely to me.
So if we were to start speculation I would choose to start on the basis that Grull will include +1 counters.
card advantage that is worse than the last tezzeret in terms of reliability, even if you run nearly all creatures, and a small creature killing mechanic unless you want to trade with your opponent.
The abilities are limited
Creatures > artifacts in non eternal formats, also why do you compare a 3 cmc PW vs 4 cmc PW.
What did people expect, an impulse for creatures?
Do I have to remind you that we recently rotated out of a format where we had a T1 naya deck with 32-34 creatures?
Also Naya will rotate in gatecrash with 2 guilds, and selesnya is a very strong guild in RTR.
In Naya mid-range you can easily expect your creatures to trump your opponents, and with 34 creatures you have a near 3/4th chance to draw one.
Also green kinda has the ability to filter lands out of your deck.
If the grul guildleader is any indication we will see more creatures with land fetch in gatecrash, and we already have woodland ranger.
Being able to draw thragtusks, resto angels, huntmasters, sigarda host of herons on a +1 ability is crazy.
Last of all Tezzeret is a very strong PW. If it did not have the company of the 2 strongest decks in std history, I am pretty certain Tezz would have reached T1 status.
However as we all know it is pretty hard to compete with caw-go and delver.
In any case, a PW that generates onesided card advantage (conditional or not), in a colour that can easily cast it turn 2, has amazing potential.
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Creatures > artifacts in non eternal formats, also why do you compare a 3 cmc PW vs 4 cmc PW.
What did people expect, an impulse for creatures?
Do I have to remind you that we recently rotated out of a format where we had a T1 naya deck with 32-34 creatures?
Also Naya will rotate in gatecrash with 2 guilds, and selesnya is a very strong guild in RTR.
In Naya mid-range you can easily expect your creatures to trump your opponents, and with 34 creatures you have a near 3/4th chance to draw one.
Also green kinda has the ability to filter lands out of your deck.
If the grul guildleader is any indication we will see more creatures with land fetch in gatecrash, and we already have woodland ranger.
Being able to draw thragtusks, resto angels, huntmasters, sigarda host of herons on a +1 ability is crazy.
Last of all Tezzeret is a very strong PW. If it did not have the company of the 2 strongest decks in std history, I am pretty certain Tezz would have reached T1 status.
However as we all know it is pretty hard to compete with caw-go and delver.
In any case, a PW that generates onesided card advantage (conditional or not), in a colour that can easily cast it turn 2, has amazing potential.
You're going to have a hard time fighting any of the relevant creatures in standard right now that aren't small without trading anything. maybe some new good creatures come along for G/R, but as it is I don't see too many fights that will matter at the high end. Show me some good fights if you disagree.
As for the first ability, you'll get a 2/3 chance at best, even with filtering the lands out. And there will be times where you get unlucky and whiff 3+ times in a row and he just sits there looking silly. The comparison to Tezzeret was to try and point this out, not an actual comparison of the two. I played Tezz.deck and know how good he was, with all three abilities, including the ultimate, being relevant, unlike this guy who like most walkers has two abilities and a rarely used ultimate( which doesn't even do much when you're behind).
I hope Borborygmos indicates the Gruul will have a ramp theme this time around. Its previous theme, Bloodthirst, didn't give much of a mechanical identity to RG: we are the color that likes to get through damage? Isn't that all of them? But RG is such a good fit for a ramp strategy.
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I hope Borborygmos indicates the Gruul will have a ramp theme this time around. Its previous theme, Bloodthirst, didn't give much of a mechanical identity to RG: we are the color that likes to get through damage? Isn't that all of them? But RG is such a good fit for a ramp strategy.
probably not, it's just another mythic that was overcosted, even if R/G is a good ramp color. A sub-theme is the best we could hope for I think.
Yeah the fact that Domri doesn't pop out of the frame in any way AND doesn't have any part of the art semivisible in the area of his abilities is pretty damning evidence that he's fake(the only planeswalker to not have part of their art show up outside the frame is Nissa). Other than that they did a good job coming up with abilities and flavor text that seem at least sort of plausible. Here are my thoughts.
Hellkite Tyrant: Ok so this steals all your opponents artifacts when he hits them that kind of is a dragon thing to do, hoarding treasures. Not really relevant at all since there are hardly any artifacts in standard right now that matter but I guess people play lots in edh and everyone loves alternate win conditions.
Aurelia: At first glance she seems plausible but the more i think about it I'm not sure they would really print a 6 mana creature that gives you an extra combat every turn for no additional investment, seems bonkers good especially with haste and vigilance.
Damri: Abilitywise seems totally plausible.
Borborygmos Enraged: Mmmm not sure on this guy. The fact that he mini mulches every time he hits and gives you a pretty silly good outlet for all those extra lands youll be getting seems almost too much.
Enter the Infinite: Seems like a really dumb card to print especially considering M13 gave us omniscience, can't really see WOTC overlooking that interaction.
Overall this smells fishy and by fishy I mean fake. OH well what did I expect?
edit: well now we just have to wait for someone to see the cards in person and take a look with a jewelers loup(if that's even necessary they should be pretty obviously fake in person even without I'd think). Not looking good for their legitimacy right now though.
Hellkite Tyrant is awesome in artifact decks or a good sideboard card
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might i add my statement was i have REASON TO BELIEVE not saying it is set in stone not real i'm just saying. though it is an interesting planeswalker i would've chosen a different first 2 abilities
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WUG Midrange Lifegain
Modern
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Legacy
RG Valakut Lands
WG Maverick
R Burn
EDH
G Azusa, Lost but Seeking
A ) You can't possibly know what doesn't belong in GTC, as the only evidence we have of what belongs is the card you're calling fake.
B ) Planeswalkers have shared abilities before in the past.
C ) The ability you're talking about isn't shared with Garruk. Two creatures fight for Domri's ability, while Garruk fights a creature for his.
Starcity never had any kind of logic in setting the prices in the first place. I'm kinda used to it.
Well, rather than having no where to go but up, he does in fact have the possibility of going down, as almost every PW ever to be released has done.
True, if you're willing to play a bunch of bad cards you could make her better. Or you could accept she's very good on her own and not play bad cards.
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Usually only several months after the release. If you wanna play with Domri right away, it looks like now might be the best time to order.
Several months? As in under 2? Vraksa is under $15, and she started at $35.
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I can't imagine Vraska is better than Domri by a longshot.
They are both pretty terrible...
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Well, it's my opinion that Domri is excellent.
Vraska isn't terrible, she just hasn't found the correct home in the current standard condition. Domri looks promising in the right deck, too.
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You really should stop evaluating planeswalkers.
The new planeswalker is incredibly strong.
Card advantage for a 3 cmc planeswalker? Yes please
Targeted creature destruction? Yes please
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Yea Vraska suffers a ton from the fact that Dreadbore / Detentionsphere and Restoration Angel / Thragdusk are played, which is like the complete metagame that speaks against it.
Overall she is overcosted removal and her +1 is pretty meaningless and worthless in the format, also the ultimate is quite random and might actual kill yourself in worst.
This makes it a 5 mana removal, which is plain bad as we have so much high quality point removal running around and mass removal is also quite good.
Shes not "bad" , but the kind of removal in this format is either undercosted or super efficient for its targets.
Its actual very unlikely for her to see play in her time in standard, which so much conflicting cards right beside her.
And she is even more meaningless in older formats, so only casual fodder.
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It is kinda bad that 5 mythics of which 2 guildmasters, are spoiled.
This will make the spoilerperiod much worse.
This is not like the godbook incident, but 5 mythics 3 months before a set is released is still pretty severe.
Give irony and sarcasm, when ignorance and stupidity is found.
The whip is kept for special occasions
I'd take the godbook any day, personally.
card advantage that is worse than the last tezzeret in terms of reliability, even if you run nearly all creatures, and a small creature killing mechanic unless you want to trade with your opponent.
The abilities are limited
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So if we were to start speculation I would choose to start on the basis that Grull will include +1 counters.
Creatures > artifacts in non eternal formats, also why do you compare a 3 cmc PW vs 4 cmc PW.
What did people expect, an impulse for creatures?
Do I have to remind you that we recently rotated out of a format where we had a T1 naya deck with 32-34 creatures?
Also Naya will rotate in gatecrash with 2 guilds, and selesnya is a very strong guild in RTR.
In Naya mid-range you can easily expect your creatures to trump your opponents, and with 34 creatures you have a near 3/4th chance to draw one.
Also green kinda has the ability to filter lands out of your deck.
If the grul guildleader is any indication we will see more creatures with land fetch in gatecrash, and we already have woodland ranger.
Being able to draw thragtusks, resto angels, huntmasters, sigarda host of herons on a +1 ability is crazy.
And who knows, we might see an oracle of muldaya equivalent back into gatecrash.
Last of all Tezzeret is a very strong PW. If it did not have the company of the 2 strongest decks in std history, I am pretty certain Tezz would have reached T1 status.
However as we all know it is pretty hard to compete with caw-go and delver.
In any case, a PW that generates onesided card advantage (conditional or not), in a colour that can easily cast it turn 2, has amazing potential.
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The whip is kept for special occasions
You're going to have a hard time fighting any of the relevant creatures in standard right now that aren't small without trading anything. maybe some new good creatures come along for G/R, but as it is I don't see too many fights that will matter at the high end. Show me some good fights if you disagree.
As for the first ability, you'll get a 2/3 chance at best, even with filtering the lands out. And there will be times where you get unlucky and whiff 3+ times in a row and he just sits there looking silly. The comparison to Tezzeret was to try and point this out, not an actual comparison of the two. I played Tezz.deck and know how good he was, with all three abilities, including the ultimate, being relevant, unlike this guy who like most walkers has two abilities and a rarely used ultimate( which doesn't even do much when you're behind).
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probably not, it's just another mythic that was overcosted, even if R/G is a good ramp color. A sub-theme is the best we could hope for I think.