[QUOTE=abraxas;/comments/5629786]You have to draw an Omniscience, though, in order for Enter the Infinite to do anything, though. a Dream Halls would work, too. [QUOTE]
FALSE. If you are DRAWING. YOUR DECK. IN E. D. H. YOU WILL WIN.
Because your deck will know that it wants to draw itself. It will be Riku Colored, Period. It will have a Singleton of Omniscience, sure, because...SRSLY, why the ruddy hell NOT, but it WILL also have a TON of Land Stuff. Prime Time is gone, but Oracle of Mul Daya and a heck of a lot of other things are NOT, plus when you DRAW. YOUR. DECK. you can maybe find a crazy convoluted combo that doesn't LOOK like it gets you lands at first, but it ends up doing so.
And Mana Crypt and Sol Ring happen to be legal there.
You WILL have the Mana to play, maybe not your WHOLE deck, but what you Need, surely. Whether the costs become "0" or remain "as reprinted", Enter the Infinite causes you to cast a HELL of a lot of cards. It also is Mind's Desire #2 in Knowledge Pool.Lose your Multiplayer friends.dec
OK, so you need Omniscience too to REALLY build "Mind's Desire #2", but still
Look, just think about this way. Ignore the casting cost, the colors, and the card type. This is a Necropotence that does not cause you to lose life. What is good with Necropotence, is good with this. It's a little harder to 'get there', but Necropotence players regularly draw far more cards than they can necessarily USE....
Oh...lol HAI...here's another :3
Living Death in Grixis-Nicol Bolas
Draw Your Deck, Flush it down the Toilet, then bring the whole thing back at once. Why do this? Because Living Death costs 5, Omniscience costs 10, and you get the same effect.
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
But Borborygymos is a really good homage to the original. And that plansewalker is awesome! And cool to see another EDH mythic. The dragon is quite interesting. Seems like a good...and weird...build around me card.
FALSE. If you are DRAWING. YOUR DECK. IN E. D. H. YOU WILL WIN.
Honestly, other points aside, I gotta agree here. I've had that much mana, mid game, when every player has done balls-all to keep each other in check (no combo players kinda does that to a game), and it's just too easy to drop that card, and AT WORST play an elixir of immortality, reliquary tower - well, it's your deck, it's not hard to see how it's an auto-win by virtue of just being blue. I'm just saying, unless someone has clear board control, it's pretty rare in most games for me NOT to see that much mana, and not "already be winning".
If Worldfire was banned, assuming this is real, I really really hope this is too.
Card draw wins games.
Worldfire is banned because you can float all your mana, cast Worldfire, then send your General to the command zone and immediately recast it after Worldfire just nuked everything else.
Combine it with a General that gut-shots everyone on CITP, it`s an instant-win.
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The kitchen table Johnny in me is looking forward to Hellkite Tyrant + Mycosynth Lattice. Nom nom. And of course Omniscience + Enter the Infinite should be sexy anywhere, and probably quite viable in casual EDH.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
Lol, you really believe that that walker is real?
a) it looks uber fake
b) it is too early for spoilers
c) without the confirmation from the mothership, all is fake
d) check the source of the spoiler? I know u all want to believe, but they are fake.
a) doesn't look fake to me
b) the guy stole them from a printing factory
c) so every spoiler is fake until its confirmed? makes no sense
d) you will eat crow.
The amount of time, skill, and knowledge it would take to fake these cards is incomprehensible.
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The art looks genuine, and that is something most fakes get quite wrong - artist misattriubtion is not an issue here.
Terese Nielsen's style is easily identifable.
Aleksi Briclot's Borborygmos Enraged art has the correct attibution and matches the previous spoiled art, though the preview was more zoomed in than the card.
To me these cards are all real. If these are fakes they are the best fakes yet seen. Would be interesting to know how someone got their hands on five foil mythics, but good on him.
Shame Borby doesn't preview the Gruul guild ability. I really like that green/red planeswalker.
I feel a bit sad that we didn't get a glance at any of the guild mechanics, or any Orzhov/Dimir/Simic stuff, for that matter. Though having perfect guild symmetry in this leak would probably only happen if it was fake.
I like Borb the most out of this batch; his beauty is that you don't even have to attack with him, the simple fact that each and every card you draw becomes a threat is enough. Sure, he costs 8 mana in the colors that are supposed to end the game much earlier than that, but his overall design is still great.
The planeswalker certainly wants to have as many utility effects on his creatures to have less non-creature spells in the deck. Something like Flametongue Kavu would be perfect to print with him, and the Gruul will certainly have enough toys for him to draw. He looks decent, but requires a deck to be built around him.
Aurelia is a bit boring in a vacuum, but does fits the image of a Boros guild leader. The guild doesn't really have my favorite playstyle, but those of you who love to play lots of small creatures and smash face with them will probably love her.
Hellkite Tyrant combines the two most impressive words that can be in a dragon's name, but the card itself is far from feeling as impressive as, I dunno, Dragon Tyrant. He might be an interesting combo deck with Mycosynth Lattice and even play well in EDH, but it still feels like a name wasted.
Enter the Infinite is, uhhh, weird. It doesn't feel as much as a "Draw your library" spell than a mega-tutor to me. You don't really want to play all the cards you've drawn, you probably just need some of them. The Niv-Mizzet or even Lorescale Coatl interaction is certainly there, though there are better ways to abuse those.
As for the whole "Fake or not" debate going on, my rule of thumb stays the same: as long as no one can find the artwork on these cards on the Internet, they are real.
I...I don't even know what to say. Except that I'm miffed/stoked that we have already gotten spoilers. (Also, I don't think I have ever used the words miffed or stoked before.) Stoked because we got spoilers this early, and they are awesome. Not awesome like every one is playable, but awesome in terms of "wow factor." Splashy. Thats the word I'm looking for. Splashy.
And I am miffed because we got spoilers this early, and they are awesome.
Seriously, now I am going to religiously check the spoiler page 2-10 times a day, and be disappointed day after day, until the spoilers start rolling in at the normal time. *Sigh* Why must I be such a spoiler addict? I need to spoiler support group.
EDIT: Oh, and these are totally real. If they are fake, I will eat a playset of JTMS. (Assuming somebody pays for them, because I don't have any.)
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Storyline nerd, sliver-lover, vegan, anarchist, pansexual, role-playing, tattoo-covered, punk kid. Those are all the applicable labels I can think of, I will add more as they pop up.
Current decks:
:symr::symw: Allies-Modern
:symg::symu: Infect-Old Standard that I need to update
And trying to decide what my next EDH will be.
I am a :symg::symrg::symr::symur::symu::symug: 'walker all the way.
Kind of sad to see Wizards lose 5 such big spoilers.
I don't think it's enough to piss them off, but as we all know, you spoil too much and you get an investigation.
This situation reminds me of a parallel to the subject of hacking. It's not illegal to do it-- it's illegal to get caught. And this whole case looks at face value to be somebody who stole something they didn't realize 1) it could be traced and proven to be stolen and 2) somebody cares enough to turn them in (Wizards).
I mean, just imagine if someone had gotten their hands on the latest DmC: Devil May Cry game months and months before release, and were selling it on craigslist. Do you think Capcom wouldn't take action?
If these cards are real, I have bad news for this craigslist guy and anybody who has dealings with him.
Why are people arguing if EtI wins in EDH? All you need is Dream Halls + Enter the Infinite to win. In Mono Blue. Cast Dream Halls for 5 (5!!). Pitch any blue card, cast Enter the Infinite. Draw your deck. Put Laboratory Maniac/Beacon of Tomorrows in your library. With your deck in your hand, pitch any other blue card to cast Omniscience. Play your deck and win. There really should be no argument on this.
That being said, these cards are really awesome, and they've got me excited for Gatecrash. Almost certainly real.
Domri Rade - Good card for aggro. +1 is good, ultimate should win games. He has a crap name, and a dumb face, though. Aurelia, the Warleader - Pretty much what I'd expect from the R/W guild leader. Effective, but not nearly enough to make me stop playing Gisela. Might shove her in the 99 to help win, but she doesn't excite me. Hence, might. Hellkite Tyrant - Damn. Hellkite Tyrant + Mycosynth Lattice is the coolest. He's amazing, even without the YWtG clause. Art's slick, too, dunno what some of you are talking about. Borborygmos Enraged - Not seeing it, guys. Okay, so he's a top for lands (good, and it will happen every time), can three-shot (good), and can burn utils late game (also good). He's really huge and badass, but I guess (to me) he's only good for someone looking for a really huge badass. Efficient, but boring, so not for me. I do have a pretty cool image in my head of this guy swinging that beatstick at a massive chuck of land, sending it flying into some poor shmuck. Enter the Infinite - Won't last long.
Even thou I visit Rumor Mill everyday hoping to see some new spoiler from GTC, but 5 mythic and 1 of them PW. That's too much for me. I wish the PW was spoiled during the preview week instead of months ahead. This really killed the fun where many would be expecting for Kiora to be the second PW.
Anyhow, I love those 2 guild leaders.
Aurelia, The Warleader definitely brings back that original Ravnica feeling from years past. That is an awesome angel with an equally awesome set of abilities.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
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FALSE. If you are DRAWING. YOUR DECK. IN E. D. H. YOU WILL WIN.
Because your deck will know that it wants to draw itself. It will be Riku Colored, Period. It will have a Singleton of Omniscience, sure, because...SRSLY, why the ruddy hell NOT, but it WILL also have a TON of Land Stuff. Prime Time is gone, but Oracle of Mul Daya and a heck of a lot of other things are NOT, plus when you DRAW. YOUR. DECK. you can maybe find a crazy convoluted combo that doesn't LOOK like it gets you lands at first, but it ends up doing so.
And Mana Crypt and Sol Ring happen to be legal there.
You WILL have the Mana to play, maybe not your WHOLE deck, but what you Need, surely. Whether the costs become "0" or remain "as reprinted", Enter the Infinite causes you to cast a HELL of a lot of cards. It also is Mind's Desire #2 in Knowledge Pool.Lose your Multiplayer friends.dec
OK, so you need Omniscience too to REALLY build "Mind's Desire #2", but still
Look, just think about this way. Ignore the casting cost, the colors, and the card type. This is a Necropotence that does not cause you to lose life. What is good with Necropotence, is good with this. It's a little harder to 'get there', but Necropotence players regularly draw far more cards than they can necessarily USE....
Oh...lol HAI...here's another :3
Living Death in Grixis-Nicol Bolas
Draw Your Deck, Flush it down the Toilet, then bring the whole thing back at once. Why do this? Because Living Death costs 5, Omniscience costs 10, and you get the same effect.
People need to read this fanfiction, though:
www.hpmor.com
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
Counterlash an enchantment (the main issue), drop an Omniscience, cast Enter the Infinite, GG
It's potentially feasible in standard in a heavy control shell.
You could Counterlash a sorcery, but drawing your whole deck doesn't mean much if you only have 6-10 mana available and have to win THAT TURN.
I guess you could Counterlash your own enchanment. that might work.
Yes this is a 3-4 card combo, but it wins the game.
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But Borborygymos is a really good homage to the original. And that plansewalker is awesome! And cool to see another EDH mythic. The dragon is quite interesting. Seems like a good...and weird...build around me card.
RGGruul Aggro
WSoul Sisters
WBTokens
BUGRRestore Balance
BMono-Black Infect
EDH:
RGWMayael, the Anima
GWURoon of the Hidden Realm
BDrana, Kalastria Bloodchief
Honestly, other points aside, I gotta agree here. I've had that much mana, mid game, when every player has done balls-all to keep each other in check (no combo players kinda does that to a game), and it's just too easy to drop that card, and AT WORST play an elixir of immortality, reliquary tower - well, it's your deck, it's not hard to see how it's an auto-win by virtue of just being blue. I'm just saying, unless someone has clear board control, it's pretty rare in most games for me NOT to see that much mana, and not "already be winning".
If Worldfire was banned, assuming this is real, I really really hope this is too.
Card draw wins games.
Combine it with a General that gut-shots everyone on CITP, it`s an instant-win.
—Neerdiv, fallowsage
They are real bro, what are you talking about?
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I love how almost every casual Johnny combo involves Mycosynth Lattice.
It's so awesome.
Decks:
GWMidrangeGW
URBurning VengeanceUR
EDH:
URNin, the Pain ArtistUR
BROlivia VoldarenBR
WIsamaru, Hound of KondaW
RGWRith, the AwakenerRGW
WUBRGCromatWUBRG
You should be able to win before that, you don't want to have to rely on giving the opponent a turn to find an answer.
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Dude, you can just play a couple copies of him and then play draw spell. Provided you have omniscience out, which I plan to.
Well to be fair, in this case it's the only thing which makes all permanents artifacts, right? :-S
That takes 7-9 mana right there though, Omni costs 10. Might as well skip that idea.
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a) doesn't look fake to me
b) the guy stole them from a printing factory
c) so every spoiler is fake until its confirmed? makes no sense
d) you will eat crow.
The amount of time, skill, and knowledge it would take to fake these cards is incomprehensible.
PM me about signature artwork or any other artwork.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
Terese Nielsen's style is easily identifable.
Aleksi Briclot's Borborygmos Enraged art has the correct attibution and matches the previous spoiled art, though the preview was more zoomed in than the card.
To me these cards are all real. If these are fakes they are the best fakes yet seen. Would be interesting to know how someone got their hands on five foil mythics, but good on him.
Shame Borby doesn't preview the Gruul guild ability. I really like that green/red planeswalker.
Modern: Jund Legacy: RUG Delver EDH: Captain Sisay
I like Borb the most out of this batch; his beauty is that you don't even have to attack with him, the simple fact that each and every card you draw becomes a threat is enough. Sure, he costs 8 mana in the colors that are supposed to end the game much earlier than that, but his overall design is still great.
The planeswalker certainly wants to have as many utility effects on his creatures to have less non-creature spells in the deck. Something like Flametongue Kavu would be perfect to print with him, and the Gruul will certainly have enough toys for him to draw. He looks decent, but requires a deck to be built around him.
Aurelia is a bit boring in a vacuum, but does fits the image of a Boros guild leader. The guild doesn't really have my favorite playstyle, but those of you who love to play lots of small creatures and smash face with them will probably love her.
Hellkite Tyrant combines the two most impressive words that can be in a dragon's name, but the card itself is far from feeling as impressive as, I dunno, Dragon Tyrant. He might be an interesting combo deck with Mycosynth Lattice and even play well in EDH, but it still feels like a name wasted.
Enter the Infinite is, uhhh, weird. It doesn't feel as much as a "Draw your library" spell than a mega-tutor to me. You don't really want to play all the cards you've drawn, you probably just need some of them. The Niv-Mizzet or even Lorescale Coatl interaction is certainly there, though there are better ways to abuse those.
As for the whole "Fake or not" debate going on, my rule of thumb stays the same: as long as no one can find the artwork on these cards on the Internet, they are real.
And I am miffed because we got spoilers this early, and they are awesome.
Seriously, now I am going to religiously check the spoiler page 2-10 times a day, and be disappointed day after day, until the spoilers start rolling in at the normal time. *Sigh* Why must I be such a spoiler addict? I need to spoiler support group.
EDIT: Oh, and these are totally real. If they are fake, I will eat a playset of JTMS. (Assuming somebody pays for them, because I don't have any.)
:symg::symu: Infect-Old Standard that I need to update
And trying to decide what my next EDH will be.
I am a :symg::symrg::symr::symur::symu::symug: 'walker all the way.
I don't think it's enough to piss them off, but as we all know, you spoil too much and you get an investigation.
This situation reminds me of a parallel to the subject of hacking. It's not illegal to do it-- it's illegal to get caught. And this whole case looks at face value to be somebody who stole something they didn't realize 1) it could be traced and proven to be stolen and 2) somebody cares enough to turn them in (Wizards).
I mean, just imagine if someone had gotten their hands on the latest DmC: Devil May Cry game months and months before release, and were selling it on craigslist. Do you think Capcom wouldn't take action?
If these cards are real, I have bad news for this craigslist guy and anybody who has dealings with him.
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That being said, these cards are really awesome, and they've got me excited for Gatecrash. Almost certainly real.
Domri Rade - Good card for aggro. +1 is good, ultimate should win games. He has a crap name, and a dumb face, though.
Aurelia, the Warleader - Pretty much what I'd expect from the R/W guild leader. Effective, but not nearly enough to make me stop playing Gisela. Might shove her in the 99 to help win, but she doesn't excite me. Hence, might.
Hellkite Tyrant - Damn. Hellkite Tyrant + Mycosynth Lattice is the coolest. He's amazing, even without the YWtG clause. Art's slick, too, dunno what some of you are talking about.
Borborygmos Enraged - Not seeing it, guys. Okay, so he's a top for lands (good, and it will happen every time), can three-shot (good), and can burn utils late game (also good). He's really huge and badass, but I guess (to me) he's only good for someone looking for a really huge badass. Efficient, but boring, so not for me. I do have a pretty cool image in my head of this guy swinging that beatstick at a massive chuck of land, sending it flying into some poor shmuck.
Enter the Infinite - Won't last long.
Anyhow, I love those 2 guild leaders.
BTdubbs, her name is now Areola.