Buy-a-Box Promo: Nightveil Specter

  • #51
    Clearly Dimir, wb wouldn't have any specters that use the night and darkness to attack their enemies.
  • #52
    I know Wizards has been trying to move away from Hexproof + Evasion lately, so I'm not sure we'll be getting a cheap, flying hexproof creature. I could be wrong, though. I'm not sure when they implemented the changes.
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  • #53
    Dimir Cutpurse with evasion would make me faint with ecstasy.
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  • #54
    I'm trying to figure out what determines when the moderators care about custom card creation in this forum.
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  • #55
    Serpos, it's a bit of a subjective call for each mod, but for me, just a card is CCC. If you're explaining an idea, and show it in card form, you're good to go. The other mods would have to comment on their thinking.

    For example, this post is fine (note I shortened it just for my own typing sake)
    I'd like to see a specter that encompasses UB's qualities, like discard and mill
    Dimir Specter UB
    Flying
    When this deals combat damage, target player discards a card, then mills a card.


    However, this would not be
    My guess:
    Dimir Specter UB
    Flying
    When this deals combat damage, target player discards a card, then mills a card.


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  • #56
    Quote from Ogrefoot
    Dimir Cutpurse with evasion would make me faint with ecstasy.


    This is what i would like to see. A fixed playeble cutpurse that can compete in this powercreep.
  • #57
    Nightveil Specter UBB
    Creature - Specter Shade
    Flying
    Whenever Nightveil Specter deals combat damage to a player you may draw a card. If you do reveal it, each oppenent discards cards equal to that cards converted mana cost.
    2/2

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  • #58
    Quote from Griselbrand
    Nightveil Specter UBB
    Creature - Specter Shade
    Flying
    Whenever Nightveil Specter deals combat damage to a player you may draw a card. If you do reveal it, each oppenent discards cards equal to that cards converted mana cost.
    2/2


    Ouch.
    I suppose drawing you would translate into 'Each opponent discards his/her hand'?
  • #59
    Quote from Griselbrand
    Nightveil Specter UBB
    Creature - Specter Shade
    Flying
    Whenever Nightveil Specter deals combat damage to a player you may draw a card. If you do reveal it, each oppenent discards cards equal to that cards converted mana cost.
    2/2

    Supreme Verdict was a 4 drop Uncounterable Wrath, Silverblade Paladin was a Twin Doublestriker, so over powered is meant for a buy a box


    This wouldn't work as you worded it. Player's can't be forced to preform actions that require hidden knowledge. This is the same problem Wizards had with trying to make Miracle triggers mandatory, how will you know your opponent discarded all the cards of that manacost that they have in hand?
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  • #60
    Well depends could be safe by drawing a land. Look how much gravecrawler affects Magic now? You just got to go with it dude
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  • #61
    Maybe a better wording would be: "When ~ deals combat damage to a player, you may reveal the top card of your library. If you do, each opponent discards cards equal to the CMC of the revealed card, then put that card into your hand"?
  • #62
    Quote from AtheistGod
    This wouldn't work as you worded it. Player's can't be forced to preform actions that require hidden knowledge. This is the same problem Wizards had with trying to make Miracle triggers mandatory, how will you know your opponent discarded all the cards of that manacost that they have in hand?


    I don't think he meant they have to to discard all cards that share their CMC with the revealed card, I think they have to discard cards equal to the revealed card's CMC. I.E. if you revealed a Desecration Demon, your opponents would have to discard four cards. It seems a little too powerful to me, but then again we've had some rather powerful Buy-a-Box promos of late, so who knows?
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  • #63
    Specters are typically hand discard themed, eh? That fits Orzhov a lot more than Dimir (mill)
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  • #64
    Don't you guys think it'll have dimir or orshovs ability? So we wont know what it actually does
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  • #65
    Quote from Ratinyourwalls
    Specters are typically hand discard themed, eh? That fits Orzhov a lot more than Dimir (mill)


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  • #66
    Quote from Serpos of Urug
    I'm trying to figure out what determines when the moderators care about custom card creation in this forum.


    Pretty much CCC is fine by me as long as your post consists of more than just the card. An explanation as to why you think the card would have those effects at that CMC. As long as your post is meaningful you can create a hundred cards for all I care.
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  • #67
    Quote from Boros_Archangel
    Pretty much CCC is fine by me as long as your post consists of more than just the card. An explanation as to why you think the card would have those effects at that CMC. As long as your post is meaningful you can create a hundred cards for all I care.


    Isn't that "speculation" or "baseless speculation", not a rumor? I read Rumor Mill for specific reasons, and people trying to justify their aggressively costed hexproof evasive card advantage machines as "keeping up with power creep" isn't one of them.
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  • #68
    Quote from Ratinyourwalls
    Specters are typically hand discard themed, eh? That fits Orzhov a lot more than Dimir (mill)


    Dimir are about information. So drawing cards makes just as much sense as making others discard. Keeping valuable information away from others to preserve your own secret seems very dimir.

    I still hope for a stricktly better dimir cutpurse
  • #69
    Dimir Cutpurse sounds cool, but let's be realistic! Why is a specter helping you out? What is it getting? "Cutpurse" is clearly indicative of stealing something, Nightveil Specter is not.

    "Nightveil" = black/Dimir, unblockable/evasion, small chance of shroud
    "Specter" = discard with combat damage

    shroud might be okay as long as its body is fragile, it has flying (not unblockable) and the discard isn't random. what's funny is that "shroud" and "veil" are synonyms, if you're going to take it literally.
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  • #70
    This is talk about the Dimir Mechanic being the same effect that Crossguild Courier has.

    Something along the line of...
    *Dimir Keyword* (When this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may instead discard that many cards from the top of that player's deck).

    Sure, the wording I put there is alittle clunky....but this seems like it could be a very dangerous ability if the Dimir cards allow for heavy Mill theme and support to make it more viable than just dealing damage like normal...because its pretty obvious right now that dealing 20 damage is easier than milling 53 cards.
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  • #71
    Quote from ArchAvalon
    This is talk about the Dimir Mechanic being the same effect that Crossguild Courier has.

    Something along the line of...
    *Dimir Keyword* (When this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may instead discard that many cards from the top of that player's deck).

    Sure, the wording I put there is alittle clunky....but this seems like it could be a very dangerous ability if the Dimir cards allow for heavy Mill theme and support to make it more viable than just dealing damage like normal...because its pretty obvious right now that dealing 20 damage is easier than milling 53 cards.


    I dont think the Dimirs main ability is to mill your opponants. In limited people very often choose a tri-color deck to play with in Rtr and because gatecrash is going to be no diffrend in structure i expect people to do te same there.

    House dimir will be able to work perfectly with both simic and orchov. They may not have any real synergy but atleast they wont have abilities that conflict with one another.
    So i say no to a dmg replacement effect for now.
  • #72
    Box toppers have a tendency to showcase something, as the last one was multicolour I'm thinking this will interact with gates in some way (unblock able if OP has gate?) and be mono black.
  • #73
    Quote from jonnybgood23
    Dimir Cutpurse sounds cool, but let's be realistic! Why is a specter helping you out? What is it getting? "Cutpurse" is clearly indicative of stealing something, Nightveil Specter is not.


    First of all the specter can just work for someone (in this case the dimir) and so may get stuff for the dimir. Second: Going on the word cutpurse is meaningless as it's not the card we are discussing.
    The dimir needs information and specter are great at making people lose their minds. The dimir can simply instruct (or teach) the specter to take what was lost back. The less the enemy knows and the more they know the better.

    Not everyting word in a cards name means there will be an ability that embraces that.
    Night: it works at night or is just very mystirious.
    Veil: it shrouds itself wether that may be by night or some sort of cloaking device.
    Specter: it's a specter, a flying grimreaper looking kind of creature that flies on a huge winged horrific creature scaring people so bad they lose fragments of their minds.

    Specter stealing your thoughts seems totaly reasonable as long as they work for house dimir.
  • #74
    Maybe the promo has a spector type of ability with discarding. Either way it should be a decent card. Sounds epic to me . Maybe a four drop 2/2 intimidate, deals combat damage opponent discards a card or something along the likes of that. Not too overpowered, but pretty powerful nontheless.
  • #75
    Quote from The_Exiler_v2.0
    Maybe the promo has a spector type of ability with discarding. Either way it should be a decent card. Sounds epic to me . Maybe a four drop 2/2 intimidate, deals combat damage opponent discards a card or something along the likes of that. Not too overpowered, but pretty powerful nontheless.


    Spectors often fly, so it would probably have flying as well.

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