Buy-a-Box Promo: Nightveil Specter

  • #26
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  • #27
    Based on the name I'd say it's reasonable to assume it is a creature which does some form of discard (like all specters).
    Most likely 4 mana if it is repetative (liliana's one was a one-time discard, most other specters are 4 mana).

    The name also suggests that it might be hexproof, which would fit well, because then it would be a Dimir card and a discard hexproof guy definitely has a Dimir vibe.
    Also, there hasn't been a hexproof specter before, so it's a very easy fit (not too complex either).

    So something like:
    2BU
    Flying, Hexproof
    Whenever ~this~ deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card.
    2/3
  • #28
    I'd wager a spectre (opponent discards card) with evasion (nightveil sounds like it will be unblockable) plus an additional ability
  • #29
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    Black is not good at Flying. It's in the middle of the pack, really (and that's discounting the "Dragon bonus" in Red).


    specters, demons, spirits, horrors, vampires, etc. Black historically has a leg up on White in terms of flyers, though the recent block has given us a plethora of angels and spirit flyers. White was very much relegated to the "angel bonus" until the original ravnica, actually. Now white has archons, spirits, pegasii, flying cats, too many angels, and birds.
  • #30
    it must be orzhov
  • #31
    NIGHT - Black
    VEIL - Black

    SPECTER - Black

    All signs point to black.
  • #32
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    NIGHT - Black
    VEIL - Black

    SPECTER - Black

    All signs point to black.


    Night - White Nightguard Patrol Midnight Haunting or WGR Winter's Night

    Veil - RGU Moonveil Dragon Master of the Veil Autumn's Veil

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  • #33
    It's Either Dimir or mono black. I see nothing in this name that has anything to do with the orchov other then that specters are black and orchov is partly black.

    A discardarting flyer with shroud or hexproof or something. And let it be 2 mana. Long live powercreep!
  • #34
    Quote from Razorgore
    specters, demons, spirits, horrors, vampires, etc. Black historically has a leg up on White in terms of flyers, though the recent block has given us a plethora of angels and spirit flyers. White was very much relegated to the "angel bonus" until the original ravnica, actually. Now white has archons, spirits, pegasii, flying cats, too many angels, and birds.

    White has always had birds as a very primary flying tribe. Black only had Vampires and even then a lot of those do not fly.

    Its name reminds me of Vela the Night-Clad, another Dimir card. Being a specter it will fly, and with a discard clause, specters are made for attacking. That means an unblockability clause will make the flying obsolete, which is kind of bad design.

    I would rather think this specter has some kind of removal protection, maybe akin to the Dimir mechanic. That is why I think it will be partially blue, as mono-black specters do not really have a lot of design space left to make interesting promo's.
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  • #35
    Quote from Fumar
    NIGHT - Black
    VEIL - Black

    SPECTER - Black

    All signs point to black.


    Autumn's Veil. This guy is gonna be mono-green flyer that can't be countered!
  • #36
    It doesn't sound epic enough to be some beastly specter, but if it's a buy-a-box promo, it ought to be halfway decent. It could be a specter ala Drainpipe Vermin and have a conditional activated discard ability. Something like:

    When ~ deals combat damage to an opponent or a planeswalker an opponent controls, you may pay B. If you do, that play discards a card at random.

    Since it will be a rare, I'm guessing it will have an aggressive cost (CMC 2, either BB or 1B) and some sort of evasion, be it flying, unblockable, or intimidate.

    I wouldn't expect it to be a multicolored card for the reasons already mentioned, but I could be wrong since the Buy-a-Box promo for RtR was Supreme Verdict. It might be a nice way to introduce Dimir in GTC...if that's the case, UB mana cost with my specs above would make for a pretty nice card!

    All of that, of course, is baseless speculation.
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  • #37
    Are you guys even seriouis! This is a promo for Gatecrash. A set based around guilds with two colors. Do you really think it is going to be mono colored? lol

    I really can't picutre that happpening.

    Cyriss07
  • #38
    this is definitely Dimir aligned. don't know why people would think a Specter (which is about cards) fits into Orzhov (which is about life and grave).
    "Nightveil" says one of 2 things to me: hexproof (as a previous poster suggested) or, my own guess, unblockable. which on a specter would be awesome.
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  • #39
    my dimir guess is they have some sort of unblockable ability, or some sort of ninjutsu variant

    this dood will have unblockable pump
  • #40
    I personally think it will be dimir. Is the name confirmed?

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  • #41
    Quote from Takon
    my dimir guess is they have some sort of unblockable ability, or some sort of ninjutsu variant

    this dood will have unblockable pump
    Shade is the creature type that always gets a sort of pump, not Specter.
  • #42
    "Nightveil" sounds kinda sneaky to me which is the reason I'd say it's Dimir. Probably multicolored because of the set theme, but I wouldn't strictly exclude mono-black.
    My takes are these two versions:

    1UB
    (Flying)
    ~ is unblockable.
    Whenever ~ deals combat damage to an opponent, that player discards a card.
    2/2

    1UB
    Flying, hexproof
    Whenever ~ deals combat damage to an opponent, that player discards a card.
    2/2
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  • #43
    I don't care which guild it belongs to. I just hope it makes Shrieking Affliction.dec a thing. Smile
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  • #44
    It will be dimir.

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    Veil (U)
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  • #45
    I'm gonna be stoked if it is a hexproof flying discard guy. It's just a powerful ability.
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  • #46
    Quote from Razorgore
    specters, demons, spirits, horrors, vampires, etc. Black historically has a leg up on White in terms of flyers, though the recent block has given us a plethora of angels and spirit flyers. White was very much relegated to the "angel bonus" until the original ravnica, actually. Now white has archons, spirits, pegasii, flying cats, too many angels, and birds.
    No it wasn't. White has always had way more fliers than black. If you look at all the sets before Ravnica - the line you drew - White has over 60% more flying creatures than black. White has always been one of the two best colors at flying, with black a distant, distant third.

  • #47
    "Veil" certainly suggests something hidden or concealed, aka, House Dimir.
  • #48
    Quote from cyriss07
    Are you guys even seriouis! This is a promo for Gatecrash. A set based around guilds with two colors. Do you really think it is going to be mono colored? lol

    I really can't picutre that happpening.

    Cyriss07


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  • #49
    It sounds like an agent of the Dimir to me. Blue would add looking at the opponent's hand (something black has anyway, but it is in both colours flavour), shroud. hexproof and unblockable. Every Specter ever printed has had flying, I don't expect that to change, so I would count unblockable out.

    At the power level we've seen in recent years these seem likely:

    Nightveil Spector 1BU
    Creature - Spector
    Flying
    When ~ deals damage to an opponent, that player reveals his/her hand, choose a card revealed this way, that player discards the card.
    2/3

    Nightveil Spector 2BU
    Creature - Spector
    Flying, Shroud
    When ~ deals damage to an opponent, that player reveals his/her hand, choose a card revealed this way, that player discards the card.
    2/3

    The problem with the power level of specters we've seen in recent years is that it is just too low. 4 mana specters are unplayable and anything more powerful than a Hypnotic Specter has been costed at 4 mana (except maybe Sedraxis Specter, but that was 3 colour). The thing is Hypie is not that powerful itself. It has a reputation from the early days of Magic, but that was due to Dark Ritual, not Hypie itself and also creatures are much stronger now, while specters have been left in the dark. We need something at a level higher than Hypie that costs 3 or less. I would like to see something like these:

    Nightveil Spector 1BU
    Creature - Spector
    Flying, Shroud
    When ~ deals damage to an opponent, that player reveals his/her hand, choose a card revealed this way, that player discards the card.
    2/2

    Nightveil Spector BU
    Creature - Spector
    Flying
    When ~ deals damage to an opponent, that player reveals his/her hand, choose a nonland card revealed this way, that player discards the card.
    1/1

    I don't think either would be format breaking, but would see play. The first wouldn't get to atteack until T4 so it can't do a lot of harm and targeting lands wouldn't be a problem, the second is fragile and can't remove lands.
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  • #50
    This actually could be pretty cool as a dimir card in messing with the mechanic my buds and I came up with.

    Reconaissance: When ~ deals damage (lets say the shade) to a player, you may look at the top X cards of their library and put them back in the same order.

    But with a specter, it could be that you could have them trash one. A bit of a variation to the "spectre" ability that fits a keyword maybe?
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