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  • #27
    Quote from mozerdozer
    Stuff like this is why I have a hard time respecting WotC's apathy towards MTGO. They could easily make it slightly more expensive and non-phantom and then vintage would actually exist on MTGO. They already coded everything. They simply arbitrarily do not want certain cards on MTGO.


    You apparently did not read the full article. Specifically the letter at the end of the article.
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  • #29
    Nice art on Mana Vault. I hope to see it as a judge foil someday!
  • #30
    I just hope they will have normal prizes for these instead of those terrible cube tickets. Last time cube drafts costed 6$, and first place was... 6$.
  • #31
    Love it. Smile
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  • #32
    I hate how Wizards has handled bringing these older cards to MTGO. The letter at the end. While we all knew it was coming one day or another to the program, how they are going to get these in players hands? They don't want them to be "common place"? I want to play a vintage style format that doesn't cost a zillion dollars to be competitive. Sounds to me that these are going to be given away as prizes or going to be in an ultra limited FTV style set.

    (I'm talking specifically about the end letter bit of the article)

    I won't be playing cube. Just doesn't really seem that fun to me.
    I just want people who redraft to admit this:

    "I can't draft objectively unless I am able to guarantee that I receive at least 3 rares. I am also better than most average/new players so I want to make sure that I get the best rares and they end up with worse ones. I care more about the monetary value of cards than actually playing the game for decent prizes."


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  • #33
    Quote from urzishra
    I hate how Wizards has handled bringing these older cards to MTGO. The letter at the end. While we all knew it was coming one day or another to the program, how they are going to get these in players hands? They don't want them to be "common place"? I want to play a vintage style format that doesn't cost a zillion dollars to be competitive. Sounds to me that these are going to be given away as prizes or going to be in an ultra limited FTV style set.


    Pretty much every single thing Wizards does related to card availability makes complete sense if you assume they don't want Eternal formats to be too accessible, because then it takes away from Standard/Limited....the main cash cows.

    Let's face it, if Modern/Legacy/Vintage were all relatively accessible, what happens when a Standard season is bad (Caw-Blade) or a Limited format blows (Return to Ravnica)? Demand for current sets would tank as people migrate en masse to Eternal formats. Tons of product sits on the shelves, store owners get hurt, and in turn, so does WotC. They want to make sure the primary competitive formats are Standard/Limited. It keeps pack sales up.
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  • #34
    I understand they have to keep getting players to buy cards which means buy packs instead of just parking a deck online and just playing one deck forever with minimum updates.

    I think Modern is pretty accessible right now. You can hate out the top decks and most decks outside of Jund, are comparable in price to Standard decks. Affinity is still comparatively cheap to make.

    But if Eternal formats were more accessible, then people would play the limited formats that had the cards for eternal formats (and MED sets need to be much better, the really awful rares need to be removed). I hope a lot of players on MTGO are able to get P9. I hope it is more on the majority of players are able to get them rather than anything less than 20 percent of the players.

    If more classic events fire, than it means more cards are needed for older formats, which means the classic draft queues fill up rather than going stagnant. Right now 1 or 2 Legacy/Classic events fire in a week. It's like for every 100 Standard events, maybe 2 or 3 Classic events fire.

    There is room for both and I think they could afford to grow that segment of the market. IMO. Most Standard/Limited players are playing to gear up for Pro Tours, FNM, GPs, other high level paper events. Classic is a very die hard group of people, I would love to see that segment grow a little bit more. There won't be a paper equal.
    I just want people who redraft to admit this:

    "I can't draft objectively unless I am able to guarantee that I receive at least 3 rares. I am also better than most average/new players so I want to make sure that I get the best rares and they end up with worse ones. I care more about the monetary value of cards than actually playing the game for decent prizes."


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  • #35
    This is going to be awesome! Can't wait for this to roll around.

    Also, Urza block drafts, whoo!
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  • #36
    One can dream with that Mana Vault or even a Mana Drain as judge foils. Rolleyes
  • #37
    Quote from citynoise
    Taking lotus or recall? I loled. These guys know nothing. Obviously slamming library or ring.

    As neat as this is I really have no faith in WOTC's ability to design a cube I would approve of.


    A little arrogant, no? I think in any given pack you're lucky to see even one piece of power or should-be power. You're likely to take it over anything else. Lotus and recall is on par with your "obvious" picks, I think it's debatable.
  • #38
    Quote from Lectrys
    I wonder if Classic will become extinct on MODO and Vintage will rise.


    Yes, it will. Classic has always been a placeholder format.

    Quote from citynoise
    Taking lotus or recall? I loled. These guys know nothing. Obviously slamming library or ring.

    As neat as this is I really have no faith in WOTC's ability to design a cube I would approve of.


    The people who put together the cubes online play more than enough Powered cubes. I've watched them. Perhaps not the fellow who wrote the article.
  • #39
    I would kill for promotional gold-border packs of these cube reprints. I think these will eventually come out in some way/shape/form in paper. Probably will take several more years.
    That Lotus art is just incredible. I love it. Really nice to see that 'ultimate' pack with all the iconic P9 + friends having the same modern card face.
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  • #40
    Quote from Warden
    I would kill for promotional gold-border packs of these cube reprints. I think these will eventually come out in some way/shape/form in paper. Probably will take several more years.
    That Lotus art is just incredible. I love it. Really nice to see that 'ultimate' pack with all the iconic P9 + friends having the same modern card face.


    I really doubt they would put them out in paper, mostly because it doesn't seem like there's a good, balanced way they can do it.

    Do it in too limited a fashion and you've upset two sets of players- one group of people because you did print it, and another because you printed it in such a ridiculously low volume that it effectively changes nothing- there's no real supply of them for people wanting them for cube drafting, or "official" proxies for vintage.

    Do it in too broad a fashion and the cards lose a bit of their mystique.
    Just like the letter in that article leads to, these aren't just cards that have been driven up in scarcity and value just because of the increase of popularity and play of their format... these are Magic's crown jewels.

    Treading lightly is the key, as bells can't be unrung... and if mishandled, this could be one MAJOR disaster.
  • #41
    Quote from thundrio
    At the end of the article, Wizards mentions that you will be able to collect P9 by the end of 2013. That is what I was referring to.

    here is the relevant article:

    http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/223b


    Quote from jturphy
    You apparently did not read the full article. Specifically the letter at the end of the article.


    You might want to go back and read it again....

    The exact quote is:
    Quote from Chris Kiritz »
    That said, with Magic's 20th anniversary on the horizon, I can't think of a better way to celebrate than letting our fans collect—and build decks with—these amazing cards before the end of 2013.
    He's leading everyone on - and they'll be able to come back and say "Nothing was promised"

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    Step 1:Make them gold bordered
    Step2: Make them physical cards/packs
    Step3: Shut up and take my money.
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  • #42
    Quote from thundrio
    At the end of the article, Wizards mentions that you will be able to collect P9 by the end of 2013. That is what I was referring to.

    here is the relevant article:

    http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/223b


    Actually it doesn't, it says that they need "more brainstorming, meetings, and planning" to find a way to bring the Power Nine to Magic Online.
  • #43
    Quote from vatechguy
    You might want to go back and read it again....

    The exact quote is:
    He's leading everyone on - and they'll be able to come back and say "Nothing was promised"

    YES. I wish at least.


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  • #44
    Gold bordered = unplayable = waste of time. If you want proxies, thats why printers exist. As far as this goes, phantom limited is better than nothing, but just barely.
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  • #45
    Quote from darknight587
    Step 1:Make them gold bordered
    Step2: Make them physical cards/packs
    Step3: Shut up and take my money.


    100% agreed! not letting this BEAUTIFUL Black Lotus artwork see print is just a crime...:o
  • #46
    Quote from Magicman657
    Gold bordered = unplayable = waste of time. If you want proxies, thats why printers exist. As far as this goes, phantom limited is better than nothing, but just barely.


    Most vintage tournaments allow for the use of proxies, so printing gold bordered "proxies" would be a huge gift to us. Perfect proxies with awesome art? Sign me up!
  • #47
    Quote from luminum can
    I'm thinking the same thing, though it would be pretty strange for them to be using that new art in promotional images and the guild fan kits if they aren't actually going to appear anywhere in the block.


    Not to mention, if they just re-use the same old flavor text like they did in IvG,
    the new Boros Signet will be a little hilarious.

    This doesn't seem like a product where they'd write new flavor text,
    but neither of these points is proof.

    EDIT: Also, that new Mana Drain art is sexy schmexy!
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  • #48
    Quote from jturphy
    Can't argue with paranoia. It's always so rational.


    Jt, you make it sound like Wizard has an investment in trying to make something to make people happy. Clearly, you didn't realize (as the person you quoted did) that Wizards is just dedicated to crushing dreams. Raising expectations, just so they can knock 'em down.
  • #49
    Quote from Lectrys
    The art for the Moxen, Mana Crypt, Time Walk, Timetwister, and Sol Ring are old news.

    I do like the new Ancestral Recall art, though; a nice and cheeky reference to the old art.


    That art was given out at Vintage Champs 2005 to Roland Chang. It's definitely old news.

    That said, my wallet is going to be hurting assuming the environment is good. I've wanted to draft a powered cube on modo ever since they announced cube.

    I'd slam library of alexandria P1P1 every time, not even close. Lotus doesn't compare in cube to library and lotus doesn't compare to ancestral recall either. Sol ring is my number 2 pick though; turn 1 sol ring? GG's.

    The only piece of power you don't HAVE to take is timetwister really since timetwister doesn't fit in a lot of decks. Although it's still incredibly good, timetwister has always been symmetrical and that's the problem. See how timespiral is in the cube right now? See how it doesn't get played that much? The card is pretty close to timespiral in terms of powerlevel, the only downside is that you can't play it until turn 6 to get it for free.
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  • #50
    Did I read that right? Tolarian Academy? Eww. Welcome to the sideboard!
  • #51
    Well, some of the cards look really ugly. They should be full art magic cards. Also, I don't like the artwork of Library and Time Walk. Maybe that's just the low resolution/modo.
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  • #52
    Wow that new Time Walk, I am in awe and so incredibly happy I can't wait to draft this!
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