Commanders Arsenal

  • #51
    cabal coffers would be a nice reprint if it is not in ftv:r
  • #52
    You know what would be funny? If they did something like this:

    http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=430051


  • #53
    Little sad to lose premium decks before we got a mono-blue control one :p

    Very happy to be guaranteed a yearly commander product, though. Even if it's not necessarily a (or multiple) decks.
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  • #54
    Quote from DrWorm
    That would make my so annoyed. I already have more bowed cards than I know what to do with.


    I understand your dislike of foil,
    but please try to understand that several of us *really* like foils,
    and cards are *much* less likely to see reprints in foil
    (see Commander, Archenemy, Planechase, etc)

    So if they continue with this policy of only reprinting non-foils,
    foil cards like Hanna, Ship's Navigator and Jhoira of the Ghitu will always be *absurdly* priced (and don't even get me started on Command Tower!)

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  • #55
    Wow, this is great news for the EDH/Commander Crowd. A mini-set of good reprints from older sets? Yes please! It'll be good to get a lot of older cards updated to the new blackbordered modern frame.

    Plus, you never know...they might even sneak in a few good legacy cards too. e.g. Baleful Strix etc...
  • #56
    So, is this going to be a mini-set with boosters and such or a FTVish product with fixed cards?
  • #57
    Quote from Joku
    So, is this going to be a mini-set with boosters and such or a FTVish product with fixed cards?


    Sounds very much like a sealed deck with the same contents in every one, like PDS.

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    Orzhov
    Reprint Stasis!
    Control needs more love.
    Dimir

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    :simic:Momir Vig, Simic Visionary:simic:
    :izzet:Melek, Izzet Paragon:izzet:
    :dimir:Oona, Queen of the Fae:dimir:
    :azorius:Bruna, Light of Alabaster:azorius:
    :boros:Gisela, Blade of Goldnight:boros:
    :golgari:Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord:golgari:
    :dimir:Sen Triplets:orzhov:
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  • #58
    While I think the Commander's Arsenal is kinda cool since it gives them a chance to reprint old cards to make eternal formats more affordable. Especially for super expensive old uncommons like Force of Will and wastelands.

    Now, I'm against yearly new commander product for a slightly different reason. They'll use this as an opportunity to make new cards that don't fit in the current rotation set up, so we might get new Cascade, Exalted and flashback cards.

    The problem of course is that Wizards doesn't test eternal formats, so cards that would have a significant impact on the format (Scavanging Ooze, Shardless Agent) will cause stupid fluxuations in the market.
  • #59
    The problem of course is that Wizards doesn't test eternal formats, so cards that would have a significant impact on the format (Scavanging Ooze, Shardless Agent) will cause stupid fluxuations in the market.


    I actually like the "untestedness," as it creates some truely unique decks. Then again, I also am a fan of Ian Malcolm (of Jurassic Park) and Chaos Theory, so my chaotic mentality may have something to do with why I like "untestedness" in cards.
  • #60
    Now, I'm against yearly new commander product for a slightly different reason. They'll use this as an opportunity to make new cards that don't fit in the current rotation set up, so we might get new Cascade, Exalted and flashback cards.

    The problem of course is that Wizards doesn't test eternal formats, so cards that would have a significant impact on the format (Scavanging Ooze, Shardless Agent) will cause stupid fluxuations in the market.


    I see this as a positive actually. Sure there is risk, but it's an opportunity for them to introduce new cards that could impact eternal formats without having to worry about those cards having to exist in Standard for two years first.
  • #61
    The thing is, they don't really care about the balance of eternal formats. At least not as much as the others. So while it may be an issue to you, it's not to them. So it really doesn't matter.

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  • #62
    I'm more concerned with availability.

    Case: Scavenging Ooze: Card goes for $30 which is roughly the cost of the commander deck it came in assuming it went for the normal price. This puts everyone in an awkward spot. Eternal players, and EDH players looking for a specific card, want to get their pieces in the most efficient way possible. Since the card already is worth as much as the deck, might as well buy the deck for free value (Foil Generals, other chase cards). Retailers want a fair price, so they bring the price up for the deck since it's started to be worth more.

    This screws over the more casual crowd who spend money only on direct product and not singles, since the deck they wanted is suddenly waaaaaaay more expensive than it should be.
  • #63
    While I think the Commander's Arsenal is kinda cool since it gives them a chance to reprint old cards to make eternal formats more affordable. Especially for super expensive old uncommons like Force of Will and wastelands.


    That would be really awesome, but I'm afraid they won't do it. Wizards seems to really hate reprinting expensive cards in any meaningful way, especially in non-randomized product. There have been plenty of Commander products and duel decks before, but they haven't seen a reprint in any relevant quantity.
    Last edited by Joku: 7/14/2012 6:56:26 PM
  • #64
    Force of will and wasteland are not edh staples. Yes, they're nice to have, but they're not OMG must be in every deck cards. They'd reprint strip mine and hinder way before either of these.

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  • #65
    Quote from Philonous
    Force of will and wasteland are not edh staples. Yes, they're nice to have, but they're not OMG must be in every deck cards. They'd reprint strip mine and hinder way before either of these.


    I'd rather see those, anyway. Better in EDH and won't make the product impossible to get / $100+ at every store. I wouldn't anticipate any cards worth more than $15 being reprinted here, with the possible exception of Scavenging Ooze.
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  • #66
    Cards I want that may or may not be unrealistic: Crucible of worlds, goblin welder, kor haven, intuition, rhystic study, blood moon, weathered wayfarer, gilded drake, vexing shusher, aven mindcensor, and others... (mostly stuff I don't have) I don't really want commander specific cards like scavenging ooze because I already got all of the commander products, but I would understand if the arsenal was packed with them, as there are no foils of them.
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  • #67
    That's a good point.. anyways, it would be really good to see some reprints with current prices.

    Anyways, reprinting casual staples is a good thing too, so I'm still looking forward to this set.
  • #68
    Looking forward to this set, and love hearing that there's gonna be EDH product every year now, as it has pretty much become the only format I play/care about save the occasional prerelease or draft.

    Have to say, I'm not sure what exactly I am hoping to see reprinted. Especially since some of the cards I'd want to be reprinted aren't necessarily cards my wallet wants to see reprinted.
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  • #69
    Quote from NGW
    Have to say, I'm not sure what exactly I am hoping to see reprinted. Especially since some of the cards I'd want to be reprinted aren't necessarily cards my wallet wants to see reprinted.


    Wow, borderline paradox.

    I'm really hoping to see all those random pieces that never got to see the light of day in other fitting products, such as Phyrexian Tower, and Phyrexian Altar. The former may be in FTV:R, the latter should have been in DD: PvsC. Sans this Commander product, it'll certainly never see a reprint. Ditto Phyrexian Walker.

    Wow, three Phyrexian cards... that wasn't intentional, just a co-incidence. There are tons of other old goodies that deserve reprinting.

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  • #70
    ^yeah, I mean like..there's still quite a few cards I either do not own that I'd like to get cheap and easy, or ones I would more copies of cheap and easy, but after finally breaking down to get some of the more expensive format staples (FoW, Maze, Bribery, etc.), my wallet would be just a touch sad to see them come so easily after the fact.
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  • #71
    Quote from Lully
    Cards I want that may or may not be unrealistic: Crucible of worlds, goblin welder, kor haven, intuition, rhystic study, blood moon, weathered wayfarer, gilded drake, vexing shusher, aven mindcensor, and others... (mostly stuff I don't have) I don't really want commander specific cards like scavenging ooze because I already got all of the commander products, but I would understand if the arsenal was packed with them, as there are no foils of them.


    Well Intuition and Gilded Drake are on the Reserved List, they won't be reprinted.
  • #72
    Quote from Pinenutt10
    Well Intuition and Gilded Drake are on the Reserved List, they won't be reprinted.


    I can never remember what is actually on that list. I'm beginning to think it exists to make me look dumb asking for the impossible.

    This is a fascinating product because it may presumably have the same prestige as a premium deck (as it is taking its place) so it has room for some amazing reprints. I get the impression that they want to rub our bellies with commander stuff, and I'm fine with that.
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  • #73
    Quote from Mr.C
    You know what would be funny? If they did something like this:

    http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=430051


    This is a possibility.

    1. Market research (us) has shown we will buy it (I will- I play with gold bordered cards.)

    2. It includes sleeves. Maybe the backs are marked too?

    3. If wizards cooked this up last minute, then they may want to move cautiously.

    4. I could also see a mixture of cards like Ooze, flusterstorm, command tower etc in normal version, and silver or gold bordered or otherwise marked cards with reprints of you name it.
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  • #74
    Wel you never know, Negator is also on that list, but got reprinted all the same...

    Although Negator imo isnt a great card....

    A few cards I would like to see, but most likely wont be included:
    Glimpse of Nature
    Greater Good
    Mind over Matter
    Academy Ruins
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    Aether Vial
    Mind's Eye
    Bribery
    Scroll Rack
    Sensei's Divining Top
    Cataclysm
    Armageddon
    Land Tax
    Copy Artifact
    Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
    Vesuvan Shapeshifter
    Venser, Shaper Savant
    Chaos Warp
    Detrivore
    Doubling Season
    Krosan Grip
    Primal Command
    (or any other command would prolly be fine as wel..)
    Sylvan Library
    Mirari's Wake
    Any Tutor would be awesome ofcourse....
    Any 2 colour land, that is better than comes into play tapped crappy uncommons...

    Some are way beyond the price limit for a product most likely....
    (also some on the list I already own, but was just making a list of staples that might be awesome to see... didnt include lands, cause overall those are just expencive... and obvious to add.... Maze of Ith or anything expencive is almost Auto No anyways...)
    Command tower and such are always welcome editions.... ^^

    If any are on the Reserved list, then sorry, I might have overlooked them on the list....
    (list is way to long to remember...)
    Last edited by dachivale: 7/15/2012 1:10:03 AM
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  • #75
    Quote from dachivale
    Well you never know, Negator is also on that list, but got reprinted all the same...

    Mind over Matter
    Copy Artifact

    If any are on the Reserved list, then sorry, I might have overlooked them on the list.... (list is way to long to remember...)


    Phyrexian Negator was reprinted under the stipulation that it'd be the last card on the Reserved List to be reprinted.

    And just to aid you, the cards remaining in the quote box are the cards you listed that are on the Reserved List. And the entire Reserved List can be seen here.

    I'd love a reprint of Æther Vial, maybe one day I'll purchase the FTV printing of it.

    I personally am reaching, but I'm hoping for Force of Will, Mana Drain, Arcane Denial, Dual Nature, Doubling Season, foil versions of the Planechase 2012 and Commander Legends, among many other cards.
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