This. Good catch. The copyright info matches up with that on Rootborn Defenses -- I guess that removes one of the last major strikes against that card completely.
That is three out of 18, all of which are useful... I am slowly warming up to the idea of it being only 18 cards.
We know four actually. Mimeoplasm is in as well, from the commander page link at the bottom of the article.
I'm disappointed. I was really hoping for something like the deckbuilder thing. $75 for it seems way to steep (unless there are really good cards in the other 14 we don't know). I was planning on getting it, but I may just try to buy one of those life counters online, since it seems that's the only good thing (right now).
Why is it unreasonable? It costs Wizards no more to print that Maze of Ith that it does to print *random junk common*. Just because Maze of Ith is $40 on the secondary market doesn't mean that Wizards has to tack an extra $40 onto any product they're selling that contains one. If I wanted to pay a premium on a product just because it has expensive staples, I would have just bought said staples already.
They don't have to, but they will because a) it helps prevent secondary market crashes on whatever mid-value cards they're reprinting and b) they like money.
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Chances is that something like that would drive the price up, as then you will start competing with non EDH players as well.
Probably not, as $75 is more than a FOW is. Also, there's no way a product that costs $75 is really aimed at casual players.. if they just print some generals and a couple of $10 cards in it, it's going to tank hard. A product with a price tag like this needs to have cards like FOW in it to justify the price tag.
EDIT: Any chance they'd put a cycle of snow duals in it?
can't say I had high hopes for the product, but for this price it looks really disapointing so far.
I dig the life counter, thats a cool idea, but the rest can barely be called an arsenal. its a shiny "pimp my deck" box for foil collectors. Ill take more playable non-foil cards over foiled ones anyday. And don't get started with the oversized cards, since Avacyn pre Im sick of them.
Mana crypt and grim monolith, albeit very expensive, exist as foils, so I'd say mana vault might be in.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
I love foils and since I'm a new player (Since Besieged) it is most probably that this box will have at least 10 EDH staples I don't have, the Sylvan Library alone is extremely difficult to acquire here in Chile so this is a good product for me at least, as they state in the panel the other day this is a product to "calm" the EDH madness until they release a new set of decks.
In any case is good to know that a lot of people won't buy the price won't be rising up to the stars...... unless they put one or two incredible cards on this like a.... Sliver Legion or a Kira, Great Glass-Spinner or why not a Vendilion Clique which prices are ridiculously expensive anyway you wanted to acquire them.... you can dream right? they are not in that list of cards that cannot get reprinted right?
They didn't have time to design brand new decks and cards. But they could have easily had some employees who know EDH well set down and brainstorm a nice list of EDH staples (rares, commons, uncommons) that would make great reprints in a box set. There are a lot of great cards they could have printed in foil that would make it appeal to every type of EDH player that aren't $100+ cards and could have priced it so that more than your hardcore player/collector could afford it.
They don't have to, but they will because a) it helps prevent secondary market crashes on whatever mid-value cards they're reprinting and b) they like money.
Thing is, the Reserved List is no longer updated. Wizards is in the business of selling new product, not old singles. I was under the impression that Wizards wasn't supposed to care about secondary market prices of singles outside of the Reserved list and Type 2 cards that are still selling booster packs. Cards like Maze of Ith, Doubling Season and other old, expensive Commander Staples are no longer making Wizards money. If they're going to continue to pander to collectors by not reprinting old staples at a reasonable price, they might as well just make a new Reserved List, IMO.
Also, if they really liked money, they would print high demand cards in a cheaper product that everyone can buy (Again, using the previous Commander Decks as an example) instead of a much more expensive, limited print run product that will sell out once to a very limited audience then never make them another dime while the people they sold it to will resell it 6 months later and double their money.
EDIT: Any chance they'd put a cycle of snow duals in it?
LoL, no. If they did that there'd be riots and the price would SOAR well over teh $75 MSRP.
My biggest disapointement is the announcement that this is a limited run product. The best part about the commander decks (and teh other casual decks) is that they weren't limited print runs. they were limited time products. If it was still within the time frame, and they needed more they would do a second (or third, or wahtever) print run. With this -- the first print run is all we'll see.
So, if its insanely popular it will be insanely expensive. If it's not popular... that means it didn't have cards in it I wanted anyway.
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Can someone confirm me that this product is going to replace BOTH the PdS series and the Commander decks? (or was just the first that got replaced?)
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It won't replace any, this is a One Time product becasue they didn't have the time to create a new set of decks for this year.
Ive never complained about the prices for anything related to mtg...
but wtf?! 75 dollars ? I know we have not seen the rest of the goodies but what cards will warrant such a high asking price from wizards. Im scratching my head on this one :/
All I care about is the 18 foils. So in my mind this is just FTV:commander +3 bonus cards. As long as the cards are playable in legacy or modern, I might pickup a copy.
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18 premium foil cards $35 judging from FTV sets
10 oversized premium foil cards $10
120 UltraPRO foil card sleeves $20 judging from UltraPro sleaves
20 double-sided Battle Marks (+ and –) $5
A life counter that goes up to 99 $5
Msrp $74.99
This would be my guess at the breakdown, unfortunately I only care about the 18 premium foils. So this will be an expensive product if I buy one for what I get. I would have preferred more premium decks, I loved those.
The Sylvan Library alone cost like 10 - 12 dollats right? So we have still 16 cards to complet the 65 - 63 dollares left..... you have to think if the total of 18 cards sums the 75 or more you get the sleeves, life counter, oversized foils and.... +/- countes (what are thos for anyway?) for free......
But of course we still can get a Scrambleverse instead of a Mirari's Wake and at the end we will end up paying for the sleeves and counters alone
You quoted what you get in it and are shocked? I mean its not like you could have not read the fact that they are not simply the 30$ commander decks of last year. I broke down the pricing a couple posts above yours and have to say no they aren't kidding you and yes it's a very fair price.
I literally run a Commander League every Friday and you are absolutely delusional if you think that's a fair price for whatever could possibly be in this thing.
I literally run a Commander League every Friday and you are absolutely delusional if you think that's a fair price for whatever could possibly be in this thing.
The first card they show is normally not the end all be all and in most cases it is simply to draw interest in the level of quality of the card to be inserted in the product. BB Sylvan Libraries are around 20$+, and if they would have printed that Sylvan library as a judge promo it would have been 100$ alone. I think the pricing is fine, and again stores will probly get these in at around 30$ so again they may be cheaper, but I bet Wizards has learned their lesson with the FTV series and just priced them that high so casual people wouldn't ***** moan and complain about the price. Notice the FTV: Realms discussion where it's 100 some odd pages about how stores don't sell for MSRP? Well BAM this is what you get so they can sell at MSRP or even UNDER go figure a store looking like a good guy for reducing the price on something like this.
Thanks for failing us wizards, and failing to keep EDH cheap.
When did Wizards ever claim they wanted to keep the foiling process of EDH cheap? (Arguably the most expensive endeavor in magic besides type 1 is foiling an EDH deck) This is not your typical EDH product. Wizards is doing a great service here in FOILING STAPLES that haven't been foiled before. It is keeping them cheap because they could have released these as judge foils IE Command Tower and then people would still *****. Wizards is doing a great thing here, and people just don't understand.
Sylvan Library and Command Tower (artwork at the bottom of the announcement page).
So far, I'm not impressed. Especially at the $75 MSRP. All the stuff beyond the actual game cards is unneeded.
It's quite possible the 10 oversized foils will also be among the 18, so that adds Asuza and leaves us with 15 cards left.
The oversized foils, based on the Commander decks and the Helvault promotion will also be Legendary creatures. So we have 9 more creatures, which leaves only 6 slots left for everything else.
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I literally run a Commander League every Friday and you are absolutely delusional if you think that's a fair price for whatever could possibly be in this thing.
Wotc's business plan seems to be taken from the activision book of business.
Give the customers as little as possible and never what they want but make sure you do it at some hideously overcosted price.
After how badly they screwed over EDH with FTV legends you would think they would want to get this product right, but instead of doing it positively like the commander decks which had a good many staples, they have 18 possibly useful cards, 10 overxised useless cards and some junk.... why ?
I kind of get the sneaking suspicions that Hasbro might ultimately be behind bad decisions like this. If you collected Star Wars figures, you'd know that Hasbro constantly does this kind of thing with Star Wars figures. They release a figure that's in high demand from collectors in a very limited quantity so almost no one can find it, then when they rerelease figures, instead of giving the ones the fans ask for that have outrageous secondary market prices, they release the same figures that no one wants over and over again even though they claim to be listening to what collectors want.
10 Oversized cards
18 foil card, they announced that specifically.
I think he meant there were in both oversized and foil cards. Which would leave us with 14 (we know Mimeoplasm from the link at the bottom of the article).
Sylvan Library and Command Tower (artwork at the bottom of the announcement page).
So far, I'm not impressed. Especially at the $75 MSRP. All the stuff beyond the actual game cards is unneeded.
It's quite possible the 10 oversized foils will also be among the 18, so that adds Asuza and leaves us with 15 cards left.
The oversized foils, based on the Commander decks and the Helvault promotion will also be Legendary creatures. So we have 9 more creatures, which leaves only 6 slots left for everything else.
You get 5 more playable cards than an FTV boxed set, 10 unplayable oversized cards 4lulz, a different life counter from the one you get in FTV (but still another life counter), a bunch of go tiles, and diarrhea-quality ultra pro sleeves with foiling that will probably weaken them because i haven't met a sleeve yet that doesn't have a negative response to having additional bull plop added to it.
for the privilege of these mostly useless added content, you pay more than twice the price at MSRP.
all i'm saying is there'd better be the new-art FOW foil in those 18 cards.
Idk why they are making it a limited print run. Msrp of 75 bucks is a bit steep for 18 cards unless there's like crazy money cards but then it will probably be sold at like 150 which is a bit over kill. This makes it harder for people to get edh staples.
This. Good catch. The copyright info matches up with that on Rootborn Defenses -- I guess that removes one of the last major strikes against that card completely.
We know four actually. Mimeoplasm is in as well, from the commander page link at the bottom of the article.
I'm disappointed. I was really hoping for something like the deckbuilder thing. $75 for it seems way to steep (unless there are really good cards in the other 14 we don't know). I was planning on getting it, but I may just try to buy one of those life counters online, since it seems that's the only good thing (right now).
They don't have to, but they will because a) it helps prevent secondary market crashes on whatever mid-value cards they're reprinting and b) they like money.
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Probably not, as $75 is more than a FOW is. Also, there's no way a product that costs $75 is really aimed at casual players.. if they just print some generals and a couple of $10 cards in it, it's going to tank hard. A product with a price tag like this needs to have cards like FOW in it to justify the price tag.
EDIT: Any chance they'd put a cycle of snow duals in it?
I dig the life counter, thats a cool idea, but the rest can barely be called an arsenal. its a shiny "pimp my deck" box for foil collectors. Ill take more playable non-foil cards over foiled ones anyday. And don't get started with the oversized cards, since Avacyn pre Im sick of them.
Mana crypt and grim monolith, albeit very expensive, exist as foils, so I'd say mana vault might be in.
In any case is good to know that a lot of people won't buy the price won't be rising up to the stars...... unless they put one or two incredible cards on this like a.... Sliver Legion or a Kira, Great Glass-Spinner or why not a Vendilion Clique which prices are ridiculously expensive anyway you wanted to acquire them.... you can dream right? they are not in that list of cards that cannot get reprinted right?
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They didn't have time to design brand new decks and cards. But they could have easily had some employees who know EDH well set down and brainstorm a nice list of EDH staples (rares, commons, uncommons) that would make great reprints in a box set. There are a lot of great cards they could have printed in foil that would make it appeal to every type of EDH player that aren't $100+ cards and could have priced it so that more than your hardcore player/collector could afford it.
Thing is, the Reserved List is no longer updated. Wizards is in the business of selling new product, not old singles. I was under the impression that Wizards wasn't supposed to care about secondary market prices of singles outside of the Reserved list and Type 2 cards that are still selling booster packs. Cards like Maze of Ith, Doubling Season and other old, expensive Commander Staples are no longer making Wizards money. If they're going to continue to pander to collectors by not reprinting old staples at a reasonable price, they might as well just make a new Reserved List, IMO.
Also, if they really liked money, they would print high demand cards in a cheaper product that everyone can buy (Again, using the previous Commander Decks as an example) instead of a much more expensive, limited print run product that will sell out once to a very limited audience then never make them another dime while the people they sold it to will resell it 6 months later and double their money.
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LoL, no. If they did that there'd be riots and the price would SOAR well over teh $75 MSRP.
My biggest disapointement is the announcement that this is a limited run product. The best part about the commander decks (and teh other casual decks) is that they weren't limited print runs. they were limited time products. If it was still within the time frame, and they needed more they would do a second (or third, or wahtever) print run. With this -- the first print run is all we'll see.
So, if its insanely popular it will be insanely expensive. If it's not popular... that means it didn't have cards in it I wanted anyway.
It won't replace any, this is a One Time product becasue they didn't have the time to create a new set of decks for this year.
but wtf?! 75 dollars ? I know we have not seen the rest of the goodies but what cards will warrant such a high asking price from wizards. Im scratching my head on this one :/
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10 oversized premium foil cards $10
120 UltraPRO foil card sleeves $20 judging from UltraPro sleaves
20 double-sided Battle Marks (+ and –) $5
A life counter that goes up to 99 $5
Msrp $74.99
This would be my guess at the breakdown, unfortunately I only care about the 18 premium foils. So this will be an expensive product if I buy one for what I get. I would have preferred more premium decks, I loved those.
But of course we still can get a Scrambleverse instead of a Mirari's Wake and at the end we will end up paying for the sleeves and counters alone
I literally run a Commander League every Friday and you are absolutely delusional if you think that's a fair price for whatever could possibly be in this thing.
Ridiculous, Wizards. F***ing ridiculous.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1035
The cards alone will have a higher value than 75$. This is essentially a FTV: Oversized commanders and a FTV: Commander staples. With other stuff people will want.
The first card they show is normally not the end all be all and in most cases it is simply to draw interest in the level of quality of the card to be inserted in the product. BB Sylvan Libraries are around 20$+, and if they would have printed that Sylvan library as a judge promo it would have been 100$ alone. I think the pricing is fine, and again stores will probly get these in at around 30$ so again they may be cheaper, but I bet Wizards has learned their lesson with the FTV series and just priced them that high so casual people wouldn't ***** moan and complain about the price. Notice the FTV: Realms discussion where it's 100 some odd pages about how stores don't sell for MSRP? Well BAM this is what you get so they can sell at MSRP or even UNDER go figure a store looking like a good guy for reducing the price on something like this.
When did Wizards ever claim they wanted to keep the foiling process of EDH cheap? (Arguably the most expensive endeavor in magic besides type 1 is foiling an EDH deck) This is not your typical EDH product. Wizards is doing a great service here in FOILING STAPLES that haven't been foiled before. It is keeping them cheap because they could have released these as judge foils IE Command Tower and then people would still *****. Wizards is doing a great thing here, and people just don't understand.
So far, I'm not impressed. Especially at the $75 MSRP. All the stuff beyond the actual game cards is unneeded.
It's quite possible the 10 oversized foils will also be among the 18, so that adds Asuza and leaves us with 15 cards left.
The oversized foils, based on the Commander decks and the Helvault promotion will also be Legendary creatures. So we have 9 more creatures, which leaves only 6 slots left for everything else.
This makes me sad.
1 Asuza, Lost but Seeking
2 Legendary Creature
3 Legendary Creature
4 Legendary Creature
5 Legendary Creature
6 Legendary Creature
7 Legendary Creature
8 Legendary Creature
9 Legendary Creature
10 Legendary Creature
11 Sylvan Library
12 Command Tower
13 ?
14 ?
15 ?
16 ?
17 ?
18 ?
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I'll probably just save up for the Libraries, WHICH ARE ****ING MAGNIFICENT.
I don't understand why they keep making these oversized cards. Is there actually any demand for these things out there?
Like the new Command Tower art.
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I kind of get the sneaking suspicions that Hasbro might ultimately be behind bad decisions like this. If you collected Star Wars figures, you'd know that Hasbro constantly does this kind of thing with Star Wars figures. They release a figure that's in high demand from collectors in a very limited quantity so almost no one can find it, then when they rerelease figures, instead of giving the ones the fans ask for that have outrageous secondary market prices, they release the same figures that no one wants over and over again even though they claim to be listening to what collectors want.
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10 Oversized cards
18 foil card, they announced that specifically.
I think he meant there were in both oversized and foil cards. Which would leave us with 14 (we know Mimeoplasm from the link at the bottom of the article).
Why are we assuming that the oversize legends correspond to normal sized foil cards as well?
There's nothing in the announcement indicating that. I was assuming it would probably be the opposite.
Edit: even more in my favor is the fact that the oversize cards have separate collectors numbers than the smaller ones. (Asuza is 1/10)
for the privilege of these mostly useless added content, you pay more than twice the price at MSRP.
all i'm saying is there'd better be the new-art FOW foil in those 18 cards.
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