Any predictions of how many each slot there will be ?
18 cards
1 is green (sylvan library )
1 is multi (mineoplasm)
1 is most likely land (command tower... HAS TO BE THE SPOILED ART or rainbow vale ahhhh ha)
So... Seems hard to break down, I would think it would be fairly even. Three each color... 1 each multi artifact n land?
I think they will have actual high end foil staples that have been printed ; but given the slots I'm going with options of previously unfoiled cards or if they've been foiled ...its only available as a promo. IE swords plowshares. Command tower ect
So what's unfoiled/promo foiled staples? Or good stuff!
Green - sylvan library (check), natural order. Scavenging ooze.
Blue - mana drain. Force of will. Gilded drake. Show and tell.
Red - imperial recruiter. Gamble, chaos warp.
White - loyal retainers, swords to plowshares. Ravages of war
Black - demonic tutor, vampiric tutor, grim tutor, hatred,
Multi - mineoplasm (check), maelstrom wanderer, Kalia of the vast
Artifact - sol ring, mana crypt, mana vault.
Land - ancient tomb, phyrexian tower. Command tower (pretty much a given)
Now I know many wont make the list outside of what's spoiled but I really can see some of these making it the final cut. especially tower and chaos warp ! I also think they will have some splashy spells such as tooth and nail or bribery. But going on what I've stated before ... I made this list. I also do not want to mention the ridiculously priced imperial seal. Although a force would be more ridiculous...
Personally I would expect something like...
* 1 card from each of the commander precons (so mimeo, kalia, ooze, etc) since they have not been foiled in regular sizes. This also creates a link between this and the COMM products which makes sense.
* Command Tower
* 1 from each color atleast
7 more cards not necessarily following any specific slots (stuff like academy ruins, gauntlet of power, stonehewer giant, bribery, vampiric/demonic tutor, regrowth)
Regarding your list....
* natural order (plausible but it has been a judge reward already).
* Scavenging ooze (plausible but price tag if this set will soar).
* mana drain (this would really cause a ruckus. This alone is worth almost double the MSRP without the foiling and alt art. Unlikely.)
* Force of will (this is probably the top of the curve pricewise they could do IMO but I'd still be surprised. Not a huge EDH card and would cause this product to be desired by alot more than EDH players. I hope with the small distro WOTC is smart enough to try and avoid this)
* Gilded drake. (reserved so no)
* Show and tell. (I don't see this much in EDH. This is more of a legacy card IMO. Unlikely)
* Imperial recruiter (see mana drain above. This one fits more at least but again unlikely)
* Gamble (makes sense)
* Chaos warp (could be one of the COMM cards in my list. Flusterstorm already got the judge reward and this is the next best in pol puppets)
* Loyal retainers (similar to recruiter only more likely since it's half the cost. still a long shot though)
* Swords to plowshares (was just in elspeth vs tezz. The foiling could be nice so this was wouldn't be suprising)
* Ravages of war (mass land destruction isn't fun for many people and lots of EDH players do not use it on purpose. I don't think this makes the cut)
* demonic tutor (likely in my opinion)
* vampiric tutor (also a good shot at this but only one of these black tutors will make it)
* grim tutor (very unlikely given it's price and that demonic tutor is just straight up better)
* Hatred, (reserved)
* maelstrom wanderer (interesting choice but possible given its never been foiled)
* Kalia of the vast (I think this is also likely given her price and popularity... could be worth a pretty penny)
* sol ring (was a FTV already. This products target audience overlaps heavily with FTV collectors so unlikely)
* mana crypt (was recently a judge promo... so unlikely. That said it makes sense since its one of the few formats it can be used in)
* mana vault. (sure why not)
* ancient tomb (just in an FTV... nope)
* phyrexian tower (likely actually since it missed out on FTV and is not reserved)
* Command tower (yup!)
All this said your list is full of a lot of high profile cards and doesn't seem very realistic. WOTC can likely only put one or two of them in here. If I'm wrong kudos to everyone who gets one but WOTC will have an even bigger PR disaster as everyone would want one of these. I mean look at this thread... and people don't even know whats in it yet...
Just my two cents but it will be very interesting to see what the list actually looks like.
It's intentionally limited. We don't want everyone to have new jackets. Then a new jacket wouldn't be a big deal. Premium magic cards are not a commodity, and for good reason. There is so much excitement, both good and bad, built up about this products. I get it; you're super entitled and don't want them to be expensive. But exclusivity is what makes markets operate. They could probably make more money by doubling the production and selling them at $40, but this isn't a money grab. It's brand building and injecting excitement into the first and secondary markets for an exclusive product. Get. Over. It.
Also why didn't you just preorder one? I get it that I'm lucky at getting one preordered for retail, but I also did the legwork and begged for it weeks and weeks before preorder so that I would be assured to get one. Anyone can do this. Anyone with singles can sell them to get $75 or $100 to preorder one if they want it badly enough. This isn't an arm and a leg. It's what many spend on magic in a month or a week. This hobby isn't free and it was never intended to be.
Been trying to preorder. Four shops in the area and no ones selling. Everyone's either sold out or they are giving the opportunity to buy as a prize.
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To be fair nobody who matters cares about the French EDH banned 1v1 list and it most likely doesn't affect anybody's decision making when it comes to what cards to include in products designed for the format (see Sol Ring in every Commander deck from 2011). Sheldon himself has maintained that it is first and foremost a casual format and that there will never be an official competitive banned list, and the French list is not official in the RC's eyes.
This post isn't close to accurate. A whole country cares about French 1v1 EDH. Sheldon has absolutely 0 impact on French1v1 and it has a completely separate rules council. While this particular product may or may not have be design with french in mind, to say "nobody that matters cares about FrenchEDH" is blatantly false and pretty ignorant.
This post isn't close to accurate. A whole country+ cares about French 1v1 EDH, to say "nobody that matters cares about FrenchEDH" is blatantly false and pretty ignorant.
So + ??
besides your beloved france
+ WHAT
is that Quebec , French Guyana and some African French speaking nations?
who the hell cares for french 1v1 EDH / LEG anyway ..
America doesn't
Wotc even less
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This post isn't close to accurate. A whole country+ cares about French 1v1 EDH. Sheldon has absolutely 0 impact on French1v1 and it has a completely separate rules council. While this particular product may or may not have be design with french in mind, to say "nobody that matters cares about FrenchEDH" is blatantly false and pretty ignorant.
It's completely accurate. 'Nobody that matters' is referring to people with input on creating this set. So, basically, people at WoTC, and perhaps a few members of the commander Rules Council. Though I rather doubt they were consulted much. (Though I wouldn't be surprised if they at least made sure nothing they were planning on printing in this was likely to be banned any time time soon. It would be quite awkward for everyone if, say, Prime Time was in the Arsenal.)
And no, none of those people care about 1v1 commander, and they certainly don't care about one particular unofficial 1v1 list among the several that are floating around out there.
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Been trying to preorder. Four shops in the area and no ones selling. Everyone's either sold out or they are giving the opportunity to buy as a prize.
I think most of the "get over it" crowd have a copy locked down at MSRP or less. I'm not so sure they'd be whistling the same tune if their only option was to pay the eBay price. Having said that, the fact of the matter is that Magic is a collectible card game and exclusivity is part of the appeal for a significant enough portion of the player base. We've beaten this discussion to death and both sides have presented valid arguments. The distribution numbers are an unfortunate reality with unfortunate consequences that we'll just have to accept.
It's completely accurate. 'Nobody that matters' is referring to people with input on creating this set. So, basically, people at WoTC, and perhaps a few members of the commander Rules Council. Though I rather doubt they were consulted much. (Though I wouldn't be surprised if they at least made sure nothing they were planning on printing in this was likely to be banned any time time soon. It would be quite awkward for everyone if, say, Prime Time was in the Arsenal.)
And no, none of those people care about 1v1 commander, and they certainly don't care about one particular unofficial 1v1 list among the several that are floating around out there.
So you know everyone that had input on this set ? you have a list ? I'd love to see it. "So basically people at WoTC" way too round that out...
You're just completely wrong in every way. Nice mis-information.
is that Quebec , French Guyana and some African French speaking nations?
who the hell cares for french 1v1 EDH / LEG anyway ..
America doesn't
Wotc even less
This country called France. I know they don't teach much in the states these days, but google isn't hard to use. You do realize people play this game outside of the states right ?
I wish Wizards would spoil something from this set just so people will have something else to do besides argue. You guys are getting difficult to moderate. Can't we all just get along?
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
I think most of the "get over it" crowd have a copy locked down at MSRP or less. I'm not so sure they'd be whistling the same tune if their only option was to pay the eBay price.
To be fair nobody who matters cares about the French EDH banned 1v1 list and it most likely doesn't affect anybody's decision making when it comes to what cards to include in products designed for the format (see Sol Ring in every Commander deck from 2011). Sheldon himself has maintained that it is first and foremost a casual format and that there will never be an official competitive banned list, and the French list is not official in the RC's eyes.
The French ban list has nothing to do with all this US vs the world crap. It is just a popular ban list for playing 1v1. The people who made it do not have impact over the majority of EDH players since multiplayer is far more commonly played.
It is funny that you decided to rock with the Americans are stupid stereotype when complaining about stereotypes. Wonder how effective that is for arguments?
Shame I, as an American, am too stupid to know.
Perhaps we should follow the classic Star Wars saying 'Stay on target' instead of the silly bashing?
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So you know everyone that had input on this set ? you have a list ? I'd love to see it. "So basically people at WoTC" way too round that out...
You're just completely wrong in every way. Nice mis-information.
Umm... Yeah. The employees at WotC *are* the ones who made the list... I'm not sure exactly what you're even trying to argue about there.
WoTC, aka the same people who didn't give the slightest concern to the french list when making the commander precons last summer. (As evidenced by them including banned cards.)
Basically, I have evidence (the commander precons) that WoTC, as of last year, holds the position I'm claiming they do... and you have *zero* evidence that the opposite is true. And I'm the one who's spreading misinformation? Unless you have some reason (that you're not sharing) that WoTC would suddenly changed their position on the issue since the last commander set, despite *zero* indication of that, and despite incredible sales of the precons, you're the one spreading misinformation.
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My current idea is that Prime Time was in the set, then went and got banned.
I know that Prime Time was popular in EDH, but it was only about 18-20 in foil. I know that every card in a $75 set can't be worth $20+, but I'm really hoping they are including mostly cards that have never been foiled, before, or that foils are ridiculously expensive (Karmic Guide, Swords to Plowshares, Vampiric Tutor, Worldly Tutor, Scavenging Ooze, Kaalia, Regrowth, things along these lines).
$20 cards that just left standard and are super easy to find don't particularly interest me when I just acquired a super limited print run product with exclusive cards in it. :-\
My current idea is that Prime Time was in the set, then went and got banned.
Ha, watch half the cards on the banned list be in this set just to troll us. My only hope for this set is that it lowers at least some of the card prices for the more popular cards (Note: no card is really an EDH "staple", because there is such a small ban list and there are several variants of every card with different values, which is usually determined by Legacy.)
Everyone trying to guess what will be in this product should remember that to WotC, Commander primarily means "fatties, legends, fatty legends, and also legendary fatties." I can't recall what interview it was, but Aaron Forsythe already said that they don't view Commander products as being about reprinting Legacy power cards.
I bet the people at Wizards have been reading this thread and shaking their heads, because I doubt they imagined this product would cause so much controversy. I think it shows just how "hot" magic and the EDH format are right now.
Yeah. I asked my LGS, but I've no clue wether I'll get it or what will be the price. If I find it for a reasonable (to me) amount I'll happily get it, otherwise I won't.
Can't understand this attitude. As I said is like complaining because a case costs 600$. Nobody forces you to buy a case, you don't need a case, you won't get a case unless you find it at a low enough price.
This is reasonable. But unfortunately many forget that WoTC does not care if everyone can get something, or cant. The Hype is driving up price, and they make money.
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This post isn't close to accurate. A whole country cares about French 1v1 EDH. Sheldon has absolutely 0 impact on French1v1 and it has a completely separate rules council. While this particular product may or may not have be design with french in mind, to say "nobody that matters cares about FrenchEDH" is blatantly false and pretty ignorant.
Let's put it this way: this product is not being designed with the French 1V1 format in mind. Conversely, Wizards values the opinion of the official Commander RC enough to make them the stewards of an official casual format. I find it hard to believe that Wizards would create a product focused on that format without at least a modicum of input and opinion from the people who shepherd it. Conversely, it's extremely plausible to assume that the French 1V1 format isn't being taken into account by the product designers.
Personally I would expect something like...
* 1 card from each of the commander precons (so mimeo, kalia, ooze, etc) since they have not been foiled in regular sizes. This also creates a link between this and the COMM products which makes sense.
* Command Tower
* 1 from each color atleast
7 more cards not necessarily following any specific slots (stuff like academy ruins, gauntlet of power, stonehewer giant, bribery, vampiric/demonic tutor, regrowth)
Regarding your list....
* natural order (plausible but it has been a judge reward already).
* Scavenging ooze (plausible but price tag if this set will soar).
* mana drain (this would really cause a ruckus. This alone is worth almost double the MSRP without the foiling and alt art. Unlikely.)
* Force of will (this is probably the top of the curve pricewise they could do IMO but I'd still be surprised. Not a huge EDH card and would cause this product to be desired by alot more than EDH players. I hope with the small distro WOTC is smart enough to try and avoid this)
* Gilded drake. (reserved so no)
* Show and tell. (I don't see this much in EDH. This is more of a legacy card IMO. Unlikely)
* Imperial recruiter (see mana drain above. This one fits more at least but again unlikely)
* Gamble (makes sense)
* Chaos warp (could be one of the COMM cards in my list. Flusterstorm already got the judge reward and this is the next best in pol puppets)
* Loyal retainers (similar to recruiter only more likely since it's half the cost. still a long shot though)
* Swords to plowshares (was just in elspeth vs tezz. The foiling could be nice so this was wouldn't be suprising)
* Ravages of war (mass land destruction isn't fun for many people and lots of EDH players do not use it on purpose. I don't think this makes the cut)
* demonic tutor (likely in my opinion)
* vampiric tutor (also a good shot at this but only one of these black tutors will make it)
* grim tutor (very unlikely given it's price and that demonic tutor is just straight up better)
* Hatred, (reserved)
* maelstrom wanderer (interesting choice but possible given its never been foiled)
* Kalia of the vast (I think this is also likely given her price and popularity... could be worth a pretty penny)
* sol ring (was a FTV already. This products target audience overlaps heavily with FTV collectors so unlikely)
* mana crypt (was recently a judge promo... so unlikely. That said it makes sense since its one of the few formats it can be used in)
* mana vault. (sure why not)
* ancient tomb (just in an FTV... nope)
* phyrexian tower (likely actually since it missed out on FTV and is not reserved)
* Command tower (yup!)
All this said your list is full of a lot of high profile cards and doesn't seem very realistic. WOTC can likely only put one or two of them in here. If I'm wrong kudos to everyone who gets one but WOTC will have an even bigger PR disaster as everyone would want one of these. I mean look at this thread... and people don't even know whats in it yet...
Just my two cents but it will be very interesting to see what the list actually looks like.
Been trying to preorder. Four shops in the area and no ones selling. Everyone's either sold out or they are giving the opportunity to buy as a prize.
This post isn't close to accurate. A whole country cares about French 1v1 EDH. Sheldon has absolutely 0 impact on French1v1 and it has a completely separate rules council. While this particular product may or may not have be design with french in mind, to say "nobody that matters cares about FrenchEDH" is blatantly false and pretty ignorant.
This isn't French arsenal or Legacy arsenal. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Sol Ring in commander pre-cons.
I think we may get 10 commanders with 8 other foils like:
Land - Phyrexian Tower, Command Tower
G Sylvan Library
W - wrath effect like Hallowed Burial
R - Gamble
U - Bribery
B - a good tutor - Vampiric Tutor
Artifact - Sensei's Divining Top
So + ??
besides your beloved france
+ WHAT
is that Quebec , French Guyana and some African French speaking nations?
who the hell cares for french 1v1 EDH / LEG anyway ..
America doesn't
Wotc even less
Warning issued for discriminatory dialogue. ~Boros_Archangel
It's completely accurate. 'Nobody that matters' is referring to people with input on creating this set. So, basically, people at WoTC, and perhaps a few members of the commander Rules Council. Though I rather doubt they were consulted much. (Though I wouldn't be surprised if they at least made sure nothing they were planning on printing in this was likely to be banned any time time soon. It would be quite awkward for everyone if, say, Prime Time was in the Arsenal.)
And no, none of those people care about 1v1 commander, and they certainly don't care about one particular unofficial 1v1 list among the several that are floating around out there.
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I think most of the "get over it" crowd have a copy locked down at MSRP or less. I'm not so sure they'd be whistling the same tune if their only option was to pay the eBay price. Having said that, the fact of the matter is that Magic is a collectible card game and exclusivity is part of the appeal for a significant enough portion of the player base. We've beaten this discussion to death and both sides have presented valid arguments. The distribution numbers are an unfortunate reality with unfortunate consequences that we'll just have to accept.
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So you know everyone that had input on this set ? you have a list ? I'd love to see it. "So basically people at WoTC" way too round that out...
You're just completely wrong in every way. Nice mis-information.
This country called France. I know they don't teach much in the states these days, but google isn't hard to use. You do realize people play this game outside of the states right ?
Way to perpetuate the stereotype.
Better option: don't buy it.
French 1on1 EDH ban list is 99% irrelevent.
It is funny that you decided to rock with the Americans are stupid stereotype when complaining about stereotypes. Wonder how effective that is for arguments?
Shame I, as an American, am too stupid to know.
Perhaps we should follow the classic Star Wars saying 'Stay on target' instead of the silly bashing?
Umm... Yeah. The employees at WotC *are* the ones who made the list... I'm not sure exactly what you're even trying to argue about there.
WoTC, aka the same people who didn't give the slightest concern to the french list when making the commander precons last summer. (As evidenced by them including banned cards.)
Basically, I have evidence (the commander precons) that WoTC, as of last year, holds the position I'm claiming they do... and you have *zero* evidence that the opposite is true. And I'm the one who's spreading misinformation? Unless you have some reason (that you're not sharing) that WoTC would suddenly changed their position on the issue since the last commander set, despite *zero* indication of that, and despite incredible sales of the precons, you're the one spreading misinformation.
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Absolutely , frenchies here forget the main fact for their argument
"A whole country+ cares about French 1v1 EDH, to say "nobody that matters cares about FrenchEDH" is blatantly false and pretty ignorant"
A whole country PLUS what ???
Silly stereotypical arguments don't add much to their rant .
and yes . . . while it may be disappointing for some hardcore "compatriotes" and most casual french players
this product was never aimed for casual , cheap EDH players .
More like die hard pimpin EDH fanbase with some Legacy endeavors in mind .
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I know that Prime Time was popular in EDH, but it was only about 18-20 in foil. I know that every card in a $75 set can't be worth $20+, but I'm really hoping they are including mostly cards that have never been foiled, before, or that foils are ridiculously expensive (Karmic Guide, Swords to Plowshares, Vampiric Tutor, Worldly Tutor, Scavenging Ooze, Kaalia, Regrowth, things along these lines).
$20 cards that just left standard and are super easy to find don't particularly interest me when I just acquired a super limited print run product with exclusive cards in it. :-\
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Ha, watch half the cards on the banned list be in this set just to troll us. My only hope for this set is that it lowers at least some of the card prices for the more popular cards (Note: no card is really an EDH "staple", because there is such a small ban list and there are several variants of every card with different values, which is usually determined by Legacy.)
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I bet the people at Wizards have been reading this thread and shaking their heads, because I doubt they imagined this product would cause so much controversy. I think it shows just how "hot" magic and the EDH format are right now.
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You mean necessary. He's the only one that never got a promo. I wouldn't mind it being in even though it was banned.
Feel free to tell me yours!
This is reasonable. But unfortunately many forget that WoTC does not care if everyone can get something, or cant. The Hype is driving up price, and they make money.
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Now that you said that, my OCD is very very upset he's the only one in my collection without one..
WHY! Why couldn't you leave me in blissful ignorance!
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Let's put it this way: this product is not being designed with the French 1V1 format in mind. Conversely, Wizards values the opinion of the official Commander RC enough to make them the stewards of an official casual format. I find it hard to believe that Wizards would create a product focused on that format without at least a modicum of input and opinion from the people who shepherd it. Conversely, it's extremely plausible to assume that the French 1V1 format isn't being taken into account by the product designers.
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