You *really* think the most expensive of the Shocklands is going to be much cheaper than $20/each?
I'll be quite surprised if they get much below $15 for the next 2 years,
and I doubt the Dissension ones I got will go down much at all.
My only hesitation is that I really like the new art, but I'm betting I can trade an old one for a new one rather easily.
You underestimate just how much supply is about to flood the market. Hallowed Fountain was a third set rare in a set that was only drafted for 3 months. This set's going to be opened in droves.
I expect them to pre-order at 20, but after release I expect them to be around $10. Maybe not right after, but they'll drop. There's going to be a lot of them around.
They already are preordering at $20/each, and some sets have sold even before this confirmation.
Make no mistake- I know they will lose *some* value,
but they would have to lose at least half of it before I considered this to be a bad move.
The supply will increase, but since they're back in Standard, so will demand.
Also, I need to spread out my preorders a bit.
I'm willing to pay a bit extra now if it means not having to come up with $300+ come September when it's all available
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So likely signets AND shocklands? I think people would be happy if more than half the set was reprints. Their design space is clipped more than usual because of all these saccharine reprints. I guess I will automatically pay for many of my drafts by 8th picking a shockland here and there, so I can't really complain.
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I hurriedly bought the Rav block cycle of shocklands for my cube as soon as I knew RTR is coming, because I knew they will be hard to acquire if they are in standard (can't wait 2 years for them to rotate). I don't regret buying the originals, and I really like the original art, but man! These art is even better!
I hurriedly bought the Rav block cycle of shocklands for my cube as soon as I knew RTR is coming, because I knew they will be hard to acquire if they are in standard (can't wait 2 years for them to rotate). I don't regret buying the originals, and I really like the original art, but man! These art is even better!
Boy, do I ever sympathize
But like I told the others, I really don't mind if I lose a bit on these-
Shocklands are good to have for almost any deck
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So likely signets AND shocklands? I think people would be happy if more than half the set was reprints. Their design space is clipped more than usual because of all these saccharine reprints. I guess I will automatically pay for many of my drafts by 8th picking a shockland here and there, so I can't really complain.
It's cute that you think shocklands will go 8th pick, ever.
It's cute that you think shocklands will go 8th pick, ever.
I usually get dual lands pretty late in draft. I mean, yeah, in a multicolor block they will be higher, say, 5th or 6th if your colors are looking good for it, but the people I play with pass cards they don't use in their decks. I think it's cute too. It means I will get many. I have bagel of them currently.
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I don't see how any thing in this thread is validating that shock lands is confirmed to be reprinted also Lully, how long have you drafted? Except for the Fetch Lands there hasn't been a single set of dual lands that is heavily played in all formats since the Shock lands got released the last time. I would call you naive or your people straightly dumb, they go into any deck at all times.
That's a really stupid conclusion, he could have just want to not have that answer available because everyone would ask for it creating no discussion or wide input.
I don't see how any thing in this thread is validating that shock lands is confirmed to be reprinted also Lully, how long have you drafted? Except for the Fetch Lands there hasn't been a single set of dual lands that is heavily played in all formats since the Shock lands got released the last time. I would call you naive or your people straightly dumb, they go into any deck at all times.
Its confirmed in the sense that there is new art that is CLEARLY Hallowed Fountain and Sacred Foundry.
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I don't see how any thing in this thread is validating that shock lands is confirmed to be reprinted also Lully, how long have you drafted? Except for the Fetch Lands there hasn't been a single set of dual lands that is heavily played in all formats since the Shock lands got released the last time. I would call you naive or your people straightly dumb, they go into any deck at all times.
Really? Would you Pack 3, pick one a sacred foundry when you were playing dimir AND put it in your deck? Nope.jpg. I mean, if you want 10 bucks you do (I might). People I play with try to make the best decks, picking removal and bomby creatures over duals, which always seemed wise and self controlled to me. I guess My entire draft community is wrong... Of course, we are all rabid for duals, so it could be clouding our judgement.
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Really? Would you Pack 3, pick one a sacred foundry when you were playing dimir AND put it in your deck? Nope.jpg. I mean, if you want 10 bucks you do (I might). People I play with try to make the best decks, picking removal and bomby creatures over duals, which always seemed wise and self controlled to me. I guess My entire draft community is wrong... Of course, we are all rabid for duals, so it could be clouding our judgement.
It's not "wrong" to pick a dual land early. Some people need to cut the cost of playing Magic as much they can, some people want to make the best picks and build the best decks regardless of monetary card value. There's no right answer.
How can someone look at an art with a white/red pattern and a huge anvil-altar in it and say that shocklands are not the most obvious choice.
It's like looking at obama and saying that he's not black just cuz no one told you that. captain obvious is obvious.
It's not "wrong" to pick a dual land early. Some people need to cut the cost of playing Magic as much they can, some people want to make the best picks and build the best decks regardless of monetary card value. There's no right answer.
It's almost always correct to snap pick money rares. The times when it isn't are when high stakes are on the line (like a PTQ slot) that outweigh the immediate cash value.
It's almost always correct to snap pick money rares. The times when it isn't are when high stakes are on the line (like a PTQ slot) that outweigh the immediate cash value.
I don't think 10 dollar lands are first pickable even when they are on color, and especially when they are not. If I am wrong, then whatever, but with the people I play with, I will be seeing 5th pack duals just like with the last 4 blocks. Lucky me, I guess.
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You underestimate just how much supply is about to flood the market. Hallowed Fountain was a third set rare in a set that was only drafted for 3 months. This set's going to be opened in droves.
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Where did he do that? I've been following his tumblr and he's been hinting at them for weeks.
Visual Spoiler by Cycle GW The Art of Return to Ravnica
They already are preordering at $20/each, and some sets have sold even before this confirmation.
Make no mistake- I know they will lose *some* value,
but they would have to lose at least half of it before I considered this to be a bad move.
The supply will increase, but since they're back in Standard, so will demand.
Also, I need to spread out my preorders a bit.
I'm willing to pay a bit extra now if it means not having to come up with $300+ come September when it's all available
Well, it does look *very* similar to Invoke the Firemind...
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
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If that art doesn't scream Sacred Foundry to you guys, nothing will...
Boy, do I ever sympathize
But like I told the others, I really don't mind if I lose a bit on these-
Shocklands are good to have for almost any deck
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
It's cute that you think shocklands will go 8th pick, ever.
I usually get dual lands pretty late in draft. I mean, yeah, in a multicolor block they will be higher, say, 5th or 6th if your colors are looking good for it, but the people I play with pass cards they don't use in their decks. I think it's cute too. It means I will get many. I have bagel of them currently.
Feel free to tell me yours!
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/30116756144/isnt-today-ask-the-audience-day-soooooo-what-is
Its confirmed in the sense that there is new art that is CLEARLY Hallowed Fountain and Sacred Foundry.
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No it's not
Really? Would you Pack 3, pick one a sacred foundry when you were playing dimir AND put it in your deck? Nope.jpg. I mean, if you want 10 bucks you do (I might). People I play with try to make the best decks, picking removal and bomby creatures over duals, which always seemed wise and self controlled to me. I guess My entire draft community is wrong... Of course, we are all rabid for duals, so it could be clouding our judgement.
Feel free to tell me yours!
You're right- clearly, these are brand new lands:
Sacred Fountain, and Hallowed Foundry
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
It's not "wrong" to pick a dual land early. Some people need to cut the cost of playing Magic as much they can, some people want to make the best picks and build the best decks regardless of monetary card value. There's no right answer.
While this doesn't officially confirm anything, it's as good as confirmed in my books.
It's like looking at obama and saying that he's not black just cuz no one told you that. captain obvious is obvious.
It's almost always correct to snap pick money rares. The times when it isn't are when high stakes are on the line (like a PTQ slot) that outweigh the immediate cash value.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
Visual Spoiler by Cycle GW The Art of Return to Ravnica
I don't think 10 dollar lands are first pickable even when they are on color, and especially when they are not. If I am wrong, then whatever, but with the people I play with, I will be seeing 5th pack duals just like with the last 4 blocks. Lucky me, I guess.
Feel free to tell me yours!