Good duel decks are not necessarily ZOMG VALUE. Did anybody actually play Venser v. Koth? Its supposed to be *fun*.
There are different camps of players that Duel Decks can appeal to :
* Those who will play the precon decks as a separate product.
* Those who will buy the decks and pull apart for specific exciting cards.
* Collectors that must have the unique box products.
* Those who will buy for "money" cards.
WotC will almost always have #1 and #3 for sales. The most popular duel decks appealed to #2 and #4 as well.
Even as someone who falls closer to #3, I couldn't be motivated to buy VVK. There were zero exciting cards aside from the Planeswalkers. For my profile, I liked Garruk vs Liliana, and Phyrexia vs The Coalition the most. There were reprints that excited me.
VvK couldn't even motivate me to buy it, and I buy just about everything. That speaks something on the quality of the product.
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Funny story VVK hasnt sold out in the 4 LGS I go to. I still see like full stands of the product just sitting there.
Perhaps wizards got their market wrong ?
We had Venser vs. Koth at a convention yesterday. It sold out within half an hour, and we had two stands. Apart from VvK, the best seller was... repack boosters. Casual players at these kinds of events are CRAZY awesome. Buying all the things! For reference, we didn't sell our one Ajani vs. Bolas stand completely until an hour before close for the day; all the casual players already had it. For further reference, more than half the purchases of VvK were female or Magic-playing couples, so there IS an entire market out there for these products, even without any reprint staples, that will buy them like CRAZY. Like, actually insane. Since WotC is obviously selling these somehow, there's no point in changing their composition. We even had to rush-order another 2 stands for the second day of the convention -_-
Seeing as how its a dual deck they may finally release niv-izzet as a planeswalker because in the novels that's what he is, not sure if jarad is though but would be nice to see
Jarad would need to be a planeswalker for that to happen. It's not a PW vs PW, so no, it will be a legendary creature.
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Seeing as how its a dual deck they may finally release niv-izzet as a planeswalker because in the novels that's what he is, not sure if jarad is though but would be nice to see
No, he isn't.
A common misconception, but he is nothing more than a millenia old dragon wizard.
No, he isn't.
A common misconception, but he is nothing more than a millenia old dragon wizard.
I believed it was never made clear? People assumed that he was a planeswalker, as his presence could not be felt in the weird Izzet-Hivemind (Firemind?), and people jumped on it and went "OMZOMGORS->PLANESWALKER!"
I believed it was never made clear? People assumed that he was a planeswalker, as his presence could not be felt in the weird Izzet-Hivemind (Firemind?), and people jumped on it and went "OMZOMGORS->PLANESWALKER!"
One would think that considering this is not a planeswalker duel deck and its not NIV Vs Jarad people could assume he isnt a planeswalker .... :/ Niv Fanboys just really really really want him to be one.
Besides dont we already have a known izzets planeswalker
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Maro (take his authority on matters of cannon/flavour/lore as you will) has explicitly stated Niv-Mizzet was not a planeswalker on his tumblr.
Also, yes, we have Ral Zarek who is confirmed to be specifically a Planeswalker [that used to be] in the Izzet League, and Dack Fayden who is possibly RU aligned.
One would think that considering this is not a planeswalker duel deck and its not NIV Vs Jarad people could assume he isnt a planeswalker .... :/ Niv Fanboys just really really really want him to be one.
Besides dont we already have a known izzets planeswalker
And we also have a Dragon planeswalker.
Nothing would make Niv unigue if he would be a walker in this point of time.
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Oh well I guess ill see which planeswalkers come out in the future cause im a planeswalker collector I currently have one of every planeswalker and each different ligit art work aka promo arts and such.
I myself have every printing of every walker, Love the card type, and Happen to love Niv-Mizzet just as much. and Personally i'd hate to see him become a planeswalker. I am glad however to see he's still kicking around, and maybe we'll get a different version of him in RTR. But for now New Artwork is pretty awesome in itself. This duel deck may not be on the level of Divine vs Demonic or even Elspeth vs Tezzeret. But it will hopefully be worth picking up .
I think we can rule out them being planeswalker cards cause Maro stated they go faction vs faction, then pw vs pw and they alternate with the duel decks. He mentioned they switched the order this time for Izzet vs Golgari to release around the time of Return to Ravnica. Since the last two we got are pw vs pw (AvNB and VvK) the next two are factions (IvG and ?)
Not necessarily.
The Elspeth vs Tezzeret decks had SoM cards in them before the release date.
This has been said a few times, but;
Seeing as the Golgari one focusses on Jareth (it was even in the already released deck text teaser) it is pretty likely the card Jareth is in the duel pack (along with perhaps a few other new cards).
I'd say the chances of the duel deck having RTR cards is 97%.
This has been said a few times, but;
Seeing as the Golgari one focusses on Jareth (it was even in the already released deck text teaser) it is pretty likely the card Jareth is in the duel pack (along with perhaps a few other new cards).
I'd say the chances of the duel deck having RTR cards is 97%.
You mean Jareth, Leonine Titan? Well, it looks like the Golgari deck has some Plains in it.
If it's multicolored, no other card looks mythic-worthy in URother than Niv.
Maybe the Djinn, but that's far from exciting.
Jhoria, Djinn, and Dominus could easily be mythic and all probably would had they been printed if the rarity existed at the time. (Dominus being part of a flashy "god" cycle)
I'm pretty sure he meant Jared; no need for that. I'm also going to assume Niv is the card since we got to see the new artwork for it; unless it's something like phyrexoa vs the coalition where it's a ruse.
There are different camps of players that Duel Decks can appeal to :
* Those who will play the precon decks as a separate product.
* Those who will buy the decks and pull apart for specific exciting cards.
* Collectors that must have the unique box products.
* Those who will buy for "money" cards.
WotC will almost always have #1 and #3 for sales. The most popular duel decks appealed to #2 and #4 as well.
Even as someone who falls closer to #3, I couldn't be motivated to buy VVK. There were zero exciting cards aside from the Planeswalkers. For my profile, I liked Garruk vs Liliana, and Phyrexia vs The Coalition the most. There were reprints that excited me.
VvK couldn't even motivate me to buy it, and I buy just about everything. That speaks something on the quality of the product.
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In terms of casual/ noob friendly it would be a waste of a rare spot. Expect golgari rotfarm and izzert boilerworks.
Funny story VVK hasnt sold out in the 4 LGS I go to. I still see like full stands of the product just sitting there.
Perhaps wizards got their market wrong ?
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
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We had Venser vs. Koth at a convention yesterday. It sold out within half an hour, and we had two stands. Apart from VvK, the best seller was... repack boosters. Casual players at these kinds of events are CRAZY awesome. Buying all the things! For reference, we didn't sell our one Ajani vs. Bolas stand completely until an hour before close for the day; all the casual players already had it. For further reference, more than half the purchases of VvK were female or Magic-playing couples, so there IS an entire market out there for these products, even without any reprint staples, that will buy them like CRAZY. Like, actually insane. Since WotC is obviously selling these somehow, there's no point in changing their composition. We even had to rush-order another 2 stands for the second day of the convention -_-
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Jarad would need to be a planeswalker for that to happen. It's not a PW vs PW, so no, it will be a legendary creature.
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No, he isn't.
A common misconception, but he is nothing more than a millenia old dragon wizard.
I believed it was never made clear? People assumed that he was a planeswalker, as his presence could not be felt in the weird Izzet-Hivemind (Firemind?), and people jumped on it and went "OMZOMGORS->PLANESWALKER!"
One would think that considering this is not a planeswalker duel deck and its not NIV Vs Jarad people could assume he isnt a planeswalker .... :/ Niv Fanboys just really really really want him to be one.
Besides dont we already have a known izzets planeswalker
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
Also, yes, we have Ral Zarek who is confirmed to be specifically a Planeswalker [that used to be] in the Izzet League, and Dack Fayden who is possibly RU aligned.
And we also have a Dragon planeswalker.
Nothing would make Niv unigue if he would be a walker in this point of time.
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I myself have every printing of every walker, Love the card type, and Happen to love Niv-Mizzet just as much. and Personally i'd hate to see him become a planeswalker. I am glad however to see he's still kicking around, and maybe we'll get a different version of him in RTR. But for now New Artwork is pretty awesome in itself. This duel deck may not be on the level of Divine vs Demonic or even Elspeth vs Tezzeret. But it will hopefully be worth picking up .
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Not necessarily.
The Elspeth vs Tezzeret decks had SoM cards in them before the release date.
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This has been said a few times, but;
Seeing as the Golgari one focusses on Jareth (it was even in the already released deck text teaser) it is pretty likely the card Jareth is in the duel pack (along with perhaps a few other new cards).
I'd say the chances of the duel deck having RTR cards is 97%.
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You mean Jareth, Leonine Titan? Well, it looks like the Golgari deck has some Plains in it.
Or do you mean Jared?
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Fits the story line too. Only problem is that was back in zendikar..
If it's multicolored, no other card looks mythic-worthy in URother than Niv.
Maybe the Djinn, but that's far from exciting.
Jhoria, Djinn, and Dominus could easily be mythic and all probably would had they been printed if the rarity existed at the time. (Dominus being part of a flashy "god" cycle)
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Will be kept until 12/31/2013 to prove if Right or Wrong.Proven right 1/27/2013I'm pretty sure he meant Jared; no need for that. I'm also going to assume Niv is the card since we got to see the new artwork for it; unless it's something like phyrexoa vs the coalition where it's a ruse.
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