Rather than arguing abouto ur own personally wants...like all agree on something...
A Multicolors Jace would be AWESOME...whether he be (U/W),(U/B),(U/R), or (U/G).....A non Mono-Blue Jace would be an awesome spin on Jace and could really help bring him back to glory in Standard after the whole Mind Sculptor business.
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I met Kiora about four months ago. I was bored, and I threw $10 at my roomate to let me use their Xbox points to play Duels of the Planeswalkers2012.
It was a rocky relationship at first. I just couldn't seem to win with the Garruk deck, and the Koth deck wasn't very promising. I took the Gideon deck to about half way to a funny merfolk looking character. She kind of looked like the elf chick, but she played blue and plopped down giant Eldrazi. I lost. I learned from that loss and unlocked her deck.
Time went on, and I was fairly intimidated by Karn in Revenge. I could beat him 2/5 games, but it just didn't seem I could compete with his Moxes and his Show and Tells. Then it occurred to me: Play Bigger Creatures.
I picked up Kiora's deck and it was Magic. Drawing cards, ramping lands, until I threw down a Prime Time and then a really big guy. Even cards like Æther Mutation seemed like ingenious mingling of green and blue in Kiora's hands. Months later I still harken back to the multitude of plays that Kiora's deck got me out of. I sincerely hope to see her printed.
Or someone else. I wonder who this new chick is on Saturday?
Wizards does not just toss 5+ years of backstory out the window so that they can print what ever they want. Jace has no reason to be U/R even if he hung out with Niv for a while. There is a 55% chance of him being mono blue, 25% chance of him being U/B, 15% chance of being U/W, and 5% chance of him being U/R, and for the sake of it 0% chance of being U/G (I would laugh my butt off if WotC decided to print a U/G Jace though).
Also for the sake of it: Sorin, while being mostly black, had little reason for personal gain to return to Zendikar and try to keep the eldrazi under wraps. A full black PW would only act to keep the eldrazi imprisoned if they were actually freed, so it was not that big of a stretch for him to have been a W/B planeswalker.
I will yell this in every single thread. JACE IS NOT RED/BLUE. There is not a single red thing about him. Not a one. This isn't even baseless speculation, this is the same as saying "Well Volrath could totally have a mono-green card". No.
Why are you so sure? Are you a 100% sure that Jace won't be Izzet? Like I already said before, IF IT SERVES THE STORY, he will be made U/R, like jonnybgood23 said, Sarkhan wasn't black before Bolas messed with him, and the same with Tezzeret and Garruk. And there's also Sorin who a lot of people said, no way he can be white.
I'm not stating that he will be UR. But don't rule out the possibility like you have some kind of crystal ball where you can see the future. And specially don't yell at other people for claiming they're wrong, when everyone is entitled to their own opinion, if someone says that Jace 4.0 is GR and makes cephalid tokens, let them believe it, there's no reason to disprove anything until the card is actually shown!
"He" was also in a sexual relationship with Liliana for some time...
****, that's hot.
Im still hoping Wizards comes back to this in the future. There is no reason for them to mention that Liliana actually did love Jace and didnt try to pursue it due to her wanting to kill her demons for her not to finally finish her mission or to reunite with Jace on a future plane and join forces to defeat one of her demons and even team up to Defeat Nicol Bolas with other Planeswalkers.
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Why are you so sure? Are you a 100% sure that Jace won't be Izzet? Like I already said before, IF IT SERVES THE STORY, he will be made U/R, like jonnybgood23 said, Sarkhan wasn't black before Bolas messed with him, and the same with Tezzeret and Garruk. And there's also Sorin who a lot of people said, no way he can be white.
I'm not stating that he will be UR. But don't rule out the possibility like you have some kind of crystal ball where you can see the future. And specially don't yell at other people for claiming they're wrong, when everyone is entitled to their own opinion, if someone says that Jace 4.0 is GR and makes cephalid tokens, let them believe it, there's no reason to disprove anything until the card is actually shown!
If it serves the story they could make a plane out of swiss cheese. That does not mean it functions correctly in lore. Jace by the way lore and the colors work can NOT be u/r.
Im still hoping Wizards comes back to this in the future. There is no reason for them to mention that Liliana actually did love Jace and didnt try to pursue it due to her wanting to kill her demons for her not to finally finish her mission or to reunite with Jace on a future plane and join forces to defeat one of her demons and even team up to Defeat Nicol Bolas with other Planeswalkers.
It was actually Jace who didn't want to pursue it, because he could never be sure of what Liliana actually loved - him, or his power over the Consortium.
Why do people think that there is no possible reason for Jace to be red? He is a knowledge seeking mage, I don't see how it's too much of a stretch for him to become more reckless in his mission. Red does not necessarily mean he shoots lightning. Red is also the color of strong emotions. He could get really angry, right?
It was actually Jace who didn't want to pursue it, because he could never be sure of what Liliana actually loved - him, or his power over the Consortium.
Considering Simic is in Gatecrash, Kiora is probably out of the question. We could easily see Jace and a Selesnya walker. I don't think there is a GW planes walker is there?
Considering Simic is in Gatecrash, Kiora is probably out of the question. We could easily see Jace and a Selesnya walker. I don't think there is a GW planes walker is there?
Still banking on a Rakdos RB Planewalker to make up for the fact that Tibalt was a so underwhelming.
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If it serves the story they could make a plane out of swiss cheese. That does not mean it functions correctly in lore. Jace by the way lore and the colors work can NOT be u/r.
You just proved my point, they can do whatever they like. And also again, I didn't say Jace would be U/R, I said don't rule out the chance of him being U/R just because you think there's no way Wizards would print him like that, that's your opinion!
There are a thousand ways I can think of him becoming UR. I'm sure WOTC could've think of one by themselves if they wanted him to be UR.
They also said the two planeswalkers in AVR would be ones we haven't seen. Some people were debating if that included planeswalker we knew of but didn't get a card, like Kiora, Ral and Dack. It turns out when they said new, they really meant it.
^This. This is the *exact* same situation we had back in AVR, where people were trying to minutely dissect the "never seen before" phrase to work out if it could mean any number of previously seen PWs based on when or how or where they had been or not been seen before, but it turned out that Wizards *really* meant NEVER SEEN BEFORE (Tibalt and Tamiyo were entirely new, unheard-of-previously characters). I'm expecting this RTR PW to be the same thing.
You just proved my point, they can do whatever they like. And also again, I didn't say Jace would be U/R, I said don't rule out the chance of him being U/R just because you think there's no way Wizards would print him like that, that's your opinion!
There are a thousand ways I can think of him becoming UR. I'm sure WOTC could've think of one by themselves if they wanted him to be UR.
Justification =/= reasoning. Think about that because that is what I'm talking about. They can say whatever they want (it's their game) that doesn't mean it fits. I can break puzzle pieces to fit but they still don't belong.
Like real people when a well designed character is defined he cannot change. At least his/her essence cannot.
Justification =/= reasoning. Think about that because that is what I'm talking about. They can say whatever they want (it's their game) that doesn't mean it fits. I can break puzzle pieces to fit but they still don't belong.
Like real people when a well designed character is defined he cannot change. At least his/her essence cannot.
I understand where you're coming from. But you're thinking you know the puzzle pieces. If WOTC decides they want to change the puzzle pieces or make a character "evolve" (character development) for story purposes, they will do it, if Jace finds a new motivation or some new sense of purpose, they could very easily make him UR, it's not that far fetched. Me personally, I think they're making him U/W or just U(wich would be extremely boring)
I understand where you're coming from. But you're thinking you know the puzzle pieces. If WOTC decides they want to change the puzzle pieces or make a character "evolve" (character development) for story purposes, they will do it, if Jace finds a new motivation or some new sense of purpose, they could very easily make him UR, it's not that far fetched. Me personally, I think they're making him U/W or just U(wich would be extremely boring)
I agree. But I think Jace will be r/b actually. The evolution of a character is paramount to reason.
Ragnarok is right. WotC will do as they please, and the new Jace card will be representative of this point in his storyline, nothing more nothing less. Right now we have no clue about if/how Jace has changed. All we know is that he's in contact with a very highly influential UR thing that has something Jace might be interested in, knowledge. Either way we can't conclude this debate until Saturday. I have no idea what color(s) Jace is, but I do believe there's a decent chance he'll have picked up some red. That's my opinion, don't flame me for it.
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I will yell this in every single thread. SORIN IS NOT BLACK/WHITE. There is not a single white thing about him. Not a one. This isn't even baseless speculation, this is the same as saying "Well Volrath could totally have a mono-green card". No.
Fixed.
Except it made a whole lot of sense for Sorin to be White, which many people before the release pointed out. His reasoning for going back to Zendikar was to save that world (or the entire multiverse). That is a very White thing to do.
Jace has never done a single thing that would ever make a person think he is Red. This is just a bunch of Izzet fanboys who lost their chance at Ral Zarek grasping at straws.
No, I don't like Jace
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A Multicolors Jace would be AWESOME...whether he be (U/W),(U/B),(U/R), or (U/G).....A non Mono-Blue Jace would be an awesome spin on Jace and could really help bring him back to glory in Standard after the whole Mind Sculptor business.
1998-1999 X 2001-2003 X 2008 X 2012-Present
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Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind UR
Tajic, Blade of the Legion RW
I met Kiora about four months ago. I was bored, and I threw $10 at my roomate to let me use their Xbox points to play Duels of the Planeswalkers2012.
It was a rocky relationship at first. I just couldn't seem to win with the Garruk deck, and the Koth deck wasn't very promising. I took the Gideon deck to about half way to a funny merfolk looking character. She kind of looked like the elf chick, but she played blue and plopped down giant Eldrazi. I lost. I learned from that loss and unlocked her deck.
Time went on, and I was fairly intimidated by Karn in Revenge. I could beat him 2/5 games, but it just didn't seem I could compete with his Moxes and his Show and Tells. Then it occurred to me: Play Bigger Creatures.
I picked up Kiora's deck and it was Magic. Drawing cards, ramping lands, until I threw down a Prime Time and then a really big guy. Even cards like Æther Mutation seemed like ingenious mingling of green and blue in Kiora's hands. Months later I still harken back to the multitude of plays that Kiora's deck got me out of. I sincerely hope to see her printed.
Or someone else. I wonder who this new chick is on Saturday?
"He" was also in a sexual relationship with Liliana for some time...
****, that's hot.
Also for the sake of it: Sorin, while being mostly black, had little reason for personal gain to return to Zendikar and try to keep the eldrazi under wraps. A full black PW would only act to keep the eldrazi imprisoned if they were actually freed, so it was not that big of a stretch for him to have been a W/B planeswalker.
Why are you so sure? Are you a 100% sure that Jace won't be Izzet? Like I already said before, IF IT SERVES THE STORY, he will be made U/R, like jonnybgood23 said, Sarkhan wasn't black before Bolas messed with him, and the same with Tezzeret and Garruk. And there's also Sorin who a lot of people said, no way he can be white.
I'm not stating that he will be UR. But don't rule out the possibility like you have some kind of crystal ball where you can see the future. And specially don't yell at other people for claiming they're wrong, when everyone is entitled to their own opinion, if someone says that Jace 4.0 is GR and makes cephalid tokens, let them believe it, there's no reason to disprove anything until the card is actually shown!
Im still hoping Wizards comes back to this in the future. There is no reason for them to mention that Liliana actually did love Jace and didnt try to pursue it due to her wanting to kill her demons for her not to finally finish her mission or to reunite with Jace on a future plane and join forces to defeat one of her demons and even team up to Defeat Nicol Bolas with other Planeswalkers.
1998-1999 X 2001-2003 X 2008 X 2012-Present
Commander/EDH
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind UR
Tajic, Blade of the Legion RW
If it serves the story they could make a plane out of swiss cheese. That does not mean it functions correctly in lore. Jace by the way lore and the colors work can NOT be u/r.
It was actually Jace who didn't want to pursue it, because he could never be sure of what Liliana actually loved - him, or his power over the Consortium.
In case you were wondering, it's both.
Everyone's a winner!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Except Jace.
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RBGMy Trades!UWX
Poor Jace...I guess his magic isnt the only thing thats Blue.
Still banking on a Rakdos RB Planewalker to make up for the fact that Tibalt was a so underwhelming.
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When Jace steps farther away from Mary Suedom then he can have nice things.
We should ask Liliana. She'd know what Jace's real gender is.
World peace. I'd settle for shocklands, though.
NO.
If Jace were to adopt a second color, red would be the last color he'd pick. He hates impulsiveness and being direct.
A two-color Jace would be UB or UW. And even that would be temporary. WotC likes to keep the "Lorwyn Five" in their respective colors.
A two-color Jace would be UB or UW. And even that would be temporary. WotC likes to keep the "Lorwyn Five" in their respective colors.[/QUOTE]
Actually I think a UG Jace is the least likely color for him. There is certain reasons where he might go red as opposed to him going green.
You just proved my point, they can do whatever they like. And also again, I didn't say Jace would be U/R, I said don't rule out the chance of him being U/R just because you think there's no way Wizards would print him like that, that's your opinion!
There are a thousand ways I can think of him becoming UR. I'm sure WOTC could've think of one by themselves if they wanted him to be UR.
^This. This is the *exact* same situation we had back in AVR, where people were trying to minutely dissect the "never seen before" phrase to work out if it could mean any number of previously seen PWs based on when or how or where they had been or not been seen before, but it turned out that Wizards *really* meant NEVER SEEN BEFORE (Tibalt and Tamiyo were entirely new, unheard-of-previously characters). I'm expecting this RTR PW to be the same thing.
Justification =/= reasoning. Think about that because that is what I'm talking about. They can say whatever they want (it's their game) that doesn't mean it fits. I can break puzzle pieces to fit but they still don't belong.
Like real people when a well designed character is defined he cannot change. At least his/her essence cannot.
I understand where you're coming from. But you're thinking you know the puzzle pieces. If WOTC decides they want to change the puzzle pieces or make a character "evolve" (character development) for story purposes, they will do it, if Jace finds a new motivation or some new sense of purpose, they could very easily make him UR, it's not that far fetched. Me personally, I think they're making him U/W or just U(wich would be extremely boring)
I agree. But I think Jace will be r/b actually. The evolution of a character is paramount to reason.
Except it made a whole lot of sense for Sorin to be White, which many people before the release pointed out. His reasoning for going back to Zendikar was to save that world (or the entire multiverse). That is a very White thing to do.
Jace has never done a single thing that would ever make a person think he is Red. This is just a bunch of Izzet fanboys who lost their chance at Ral Zarek grasping at straws.
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