A mythic should make you nervous and make a thud when it hits the table. I don't see that happening with this card
Its a creature that most likely kills you if it connects. Play against it before you judge it. It might not be Standard powerful right now, due to all of the aggressive strategies, but its better than you think it is.
talrand is just sick. imagine paying phyrexian mana for 1 damage or a peek for a 2/2 flyer... however, i think he is a more "build around me" type of creature.
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For 2 months or so, Talrand basically does have an ETB ability. Just immediately cast Probe or Gut Shot, etc, as soon as she enters and she already got you a flier.
Also, I hope Ajani is insane with Sun Titan for those 2 months as well. I would love to have 2 recurrable planeswalkers.
Don't get me wrong; the card is super fun, interesting, and seems to have a history, but it just seems inconsistent with most other mythics. The existence of titans, most of the praetors, the dual color monster lines of INN/DKA, every planeswalker, the list goes on... I just see that there is a precedent for rarity/power level, and I like to see the mouthwatering cards at mythic. I don't like when they go into the unplayable binder forever. A mythic should make you nervous and make a thud when it hits the table. I don't see that happening with this card because it just doesn't have that power level (usually), and because no one will play with it outside of commander. There, it's pretty ridiculous. (just use serra ascendant?)
There are also a huge number of people who disagree with you about how strong mythics should be. I hate it when the strongest cards are mythics. Yes, they should be exciting to open in a pack, but overpowered mythics raise the barrier of entry for a lot of casual players who'd like to make tournament-worthy decks. I don't like seeing a mythic and being able to assume that it's stronger because it's rarer, so I'm happy to see explosive, but not overpowered cards at mythic. Serra Avatar seems fine to me.
I wish my 4/4s with haste and first strike that acted as Goblin Warchiefs were better and didn't die to instants and overshadowed all other 4 drops in the format. And that they had evasion too, and some way to dodge wrath effects.
P/T = lifetotal is a unique and splashy enough effect for it to be mythic in my estimation. Ajani Goldmane produces such tokens, and he's mythic. Malignus does it for opponents life total, albeit halved, and again a mythic.
Meh. She is quite dated as a creature nowadays. At least with Malignus he is a cheap creature and Ajani is a planeswalker so he gets the automatic mythic brand. Unless we get some sort of Shallow Grave ability I don't see her being too useful in Standard.
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If Ajani is making tokens it seems most likely they'd be Cats. He doesn't really have any association with any soldiers or army, as Elspeth and Gideon do.
True, but white Ajani pumps your team. Ajani also always gains life in some regard (white and red/white). Wondering if they keep this angle of him or give him a makeover.
-Garruk 1 made tokens, bigger Garruk made tokens, INN Garruk made tokens.
-Jace always had a draw cards effect.
-Chandra always had a burn/ping effect.
As for Liliana, she's got sexy art lol. Both Lilianas have 'discard a card'. I would figure that comes through on Lili 3.0, should WotC stick to its continuity-tendency.
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Malignus does it for opponents life total, albeit halved, and again a mythic.
That card should have been a rare too. If serra avatar had lifelink, It would be a jawdropping powerhouse, and make sense to be a mythic. When I look at it, I see yet another enormous baloth that I would hesitate to play even in limited. Also, you all should be mad that this is mythic because it will be so rare. If this is a card that you are happy to open, why would you want it to be mythic? I think the avatar got grandfathered into the mythic spot.
There's a lot of buzz about the drake maker for (probably) nothing. The only 4cc 2/2s without immediate board impact that have seen play have been mana restricters, like braids and hokori.
At best, this card can be a faster pseudo-meloku, which is awesome. Meloku blocks well on the turn it comes down, though, and provides much more flexible and sourceless token production. That's probably fatal for it, though we'll see.
If serra avatar had lifelink, It would be a jawdropping powerhouse, and make sense to be a mythic. When I look at it, I see yet another enormous baloth that I would hesitate to play even in limited.
I don't think you get how the casual player works. They see Serra Avatar and go woah this is huge and can get bigger for free! From that point on, it's all about building around her to make sure amazing things happen. Over the years I've seen her wielding a loxodon warhammer, get paired with angelic chorus, be the girl standing after a cataclysm, team up with exalted angel, test of endurance, felidar sovereign, and mayael's aria.
And she isn't exactly easy to find without shelling out cash. She feels mythic because she can go over the top really easily. And when one sets to have her do that, she excels in it.
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Talrand looks like a shoe-in for my Niv-Mizzet deck,
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That card should have been a rare too. If serra avatar had lifelink, It would be a jawdropping powerhouse, and make sense to be a mythic. When I look at it, I see yet another enormous baloth that I would hesitate to play even in limited. Also, you all should be mad that this is mythic because it will be so rare. If this is a card that you are happy to open, why would you want it to be mythic? I think the avatar got grandfathered into the mythic spot.
I did a double take when I saw the avatar cause I thought it said rare. This is ABSOLUTELY a mythic, and also happens to be my favourite card of all time. The notion that a potentially 20/20 or higher creature for 7 does not feel mythic is absurd. And if it had lifelink built in, it would never see print. You clearly have no idea how powerful doubling your life every turn guaranteed is.
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I don't think you get how the casual player works. They see Serra Avatar and go woah this is huge and can get bigger for free! From that point on, it's all about building around her to make sure amazing things happen. Over the years I've seen her wielding a loxodon warhammer, get paired with angelic chorus, be the girl standing after a cataclysm, team up with exalted angel, test of endurance, felidar sovereign, and mayael's aria.
And she isn't exactly easy to find without shelling out cash. She feels mythic because she can go over the top really easily. And when one sets to have her do that, she excels in it.
Yeah, that's all cool, but didn't need to be mythic. Also, a baloth with a hammer isn't all that much worse. Any high end comboey rare card funstuff can lead to a memorable game when it comes together 1 out of 4 games. I feel like everyone put their casual hats on when it comes to this card though. I only play casual and limited, and I'm not happy to see the coppery color on the rarity symbol.
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I did a double take when I saw the avatar cause I thought it said rare. This is ABSOLUTELY a mythic, and also happens to be my favourite card of all time. The notion that a potentially 20/20 or higher creature for 7 does not feel mythic is absurd. And if it had lifelink built in, it would never see print. You clearly have no idea how powerful doubling your life every turn guaranteed is.
Don't forget that in this scenario where the Serra Avatar has built-in lifelink, you are not only doubling your life total, but also doubling her power/toughness every turn. That is ridiculously unprintable.
Also it would be a super easy 2-card win combo with any of Test of Endurance, Felidar Sovereign or Mayael's Aria. Drop one of these cards, drop Serra Avatar, attack 2 or 3 times and win regardless of what your opponent's life total is (even if she comes down when you're at 5 or 6 life).
I've already been flinging Griselbrand in my R/W/B reanimator because he gets shot every time put him on the table.
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Other thoughts shouldn't have been mythic. They are really turning down the power on this core set so far. That means next year power creep will be even worse than titans. That's the cycle WoTC's likes to use. Oh god we went to far turn it back. Ok people are *****ing because we turned it back. Didn't know we can push it this far and be ok. Its no ok but we did it anyways deal with it.
There's a lot of buzz about the drake maker for (probably) nothing. The only 4cc 2/2s without immediate board impact that have seen play have been mana restricters, like braids and hokori.
At best, this card can be a faster pseudo-meloku, which is awesome. Meloku blocks well on the turn it comes down, though, and provides much more flexible and sourceless token production. That's probably fatal for it, though we'll see.
I don't think you understand, this card is much better than the overplayed huntmaster of the fells. If you do not kill it in one turn you WILL die to a ponder deck.
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Its a creature that most likely kills you if it connects. Play against it before you judge it. It might not be Standard powerful right now, due to all of the aggressive strategies, but its better than you think it is.
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I think it looks like a real photo of a promotional poster.
The image on the poster is photoshopped but that doesn't say anything about the legitimacy of the info.
Also, I hope Ajani is insane with Sun Titan for those 2 months as well. I would love to have 2 recurrable planeswalkers.
....Still going to play the crap out of him though.
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There are also a huge number of people who disagree with you about how strong mythics should be. I hate it when the strongest cards are mythics. Yes, they should be exciting to open in a pack, but overpowered mythics raise the barrier of entry for a lot of casual players who'd like to make tournament-worthy decks. I don't like seeing a mythic and being able to assume that it's stronger because it's rarer, so I'm happy to see explosive, but not overpowered cards at mythic. Serra Avatar seems fine to me.
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Meh. She is quite dated as a creature nowadays. At least with Malignus he is a cheap creature and Ajani is a planeswalker so he gets the automatic mythic brand. Unless we get some sort of Shallow Grave ability I don't see her being too useful in Standard.
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True, but white Ajani pumps your team. Ajani also always gains life in some regard (white and red/white). Wondering if they keep this angle of him or give him a makeover.
-Garruk 1 made tokens, bigger Garruk made tokens, INN Garruk made tokens.
-Jace always had a draw cards effect.
-Chandra always had a burn/ping effect.
As for Liliana, she's got sexy art lol. Both Lilianas have 'discard a card'. I would figure that comes through on Lili 3.0, should WotC stick to its continuity-tendency.
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That card should have been a rare too. If serra avatar had lifelink, It would be a jawdropping powerhouse, and make sense to be a mythic. When I look at it, I see yet another enormous baloth that I would hesitate to play even in limited. Also, you all should be mad that this is mythic because it will be so rare. If this is a card that you are happy to open, why would you want it to be mythic? I think the avatar got grandfathered into the mythic spot.
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At best, this card can be a faster pseudo-meloku, which is awesome. Meloku blocks well on the turn it comes down, though, and provides much more flexible and sourceless token production. That's probably fatal for it, though we'll see.
I don't think you get how the casual player works. They see Serra Avatar and go woah this is huge and can get bigger for free! From that point on, it's all about building around her to make sure amazing things happen. Over the years I've seen her wielding a loxodon warhammer, get paired with angelic chorus, be the girl standing after a cataclysm, team up with exalted angel, test of endurance, felidar sovereign, and mayael's aria.
And she isn't exactly easy to find without shelling out cash. She feels mythic because she can go over the top really easily. And when one sets to have her do that, she excels in it.
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I'm seriously in love with both of these-
Talrand looks like a shoe-in for my Niv-Mizzet deck,
and Avatar is one I've always wanted, but not enough to pay the price tag.
New Ajani and Liliana are intriguing- especially Ajani at 3CMC.
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Yeah, I just looked over it again and there's room for 3.
It did look pretty close to 2 from that odd angle though.
I did a double take when I saw the avatar cause I thought it said rare. This is ABSOLUTELY a mythic, and also happens to be my favourite card of all time. The notion that a potentially 20/20 or higher creature for 7 does not feel mythic is absurd. And if it had lifelink built in, it would never see print. You clearly have no idea how powerful doubling your life every turn guaranteed is.
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Yeah, that's all cool, but didn't need to be mythic. Also, a baloth with a hammer isn't all that much worse. Any high end comboey rare card funstuff can lead to a memorable game when it comes together 1 out of 4 games. I feel like everyone put their casual hats on when it comes to this card though. I only play casual and limited, and I'm not happy to see the coppery color on the rarity symbol.
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Don't forget that in this scenario where the Serra Avatar has built-in lifelink, you are not only doubling your life total, but also doubling her power/toughness every turn. That is ridiculously unprintable.
Also it would be a super easy 2-card win combo with any of Test of Endurance, Felidar Sovereign or Mayael's Aria. Drop one of these cards, drop Serra Avatar, attack 2 or 3 times and win regardless of what your opponent's life total is (even if she comes down when you're at 5 or 6 life).
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I've already been flinging Griselbrand in my R/W/B reanimator because he gets shot every time put him on the table.
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Other thoughts shouldn't have been mythic. They are really turning down the power on this core set so far. That means next year power creep will be even worse than titans. That's the cycle WoTC's likes to use. Oh god we went to far turn it back. Ok people are *****ing because we turned it back. Didn't know we can push it this far and be ok. Its no ok but we did it anyways deal with it.
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I don't think you understand, this card is much better than the overplayed huntmaster of the fells. If you do not kill it in one turn you WILL die to a ponder deck.
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