The miracle thing is interesting. I like it. Draw a card and pay for a spell at a reduced cost, but you have to play it right away. It should flex those brain muscles a little bit. I like spells/abilities that make you think a little.
What brain muscles are these? It's just "did I draw a miracle?" yes/no
What brain muscles are these? It's just "did I draw a miracle?" yes/no
He's talking about situations where you have a plan for your mana, Mana Leak, Geist of Saint Traft, etc, and then you draw a Miracle. The question becomes whether you cast the Miracle for reduced price and not make the best use of the current turn, or not cast it at reduced price and have to pay the full mana cost sometime later.
What brain muscles are these? It's just "did I draw a miracle?" yes/no
If the rest of the Miracle cards have such a big cost spread as the revealed card, then the choice to play it right away becomes so dominant as to make this a no-brainer.
On the other hand, if you hesitate for more than a second after drawing your card but before putting it with the rest of your hand, then congratulations: you've just telegraphed your topdeck to your opponent, and since it will likely be costlier to play as a non-miracle, you've lost pretty much any advantage that may have come with the element of surprise.
I like the blink angel a lot. Nicely costed, decent body, and tech win.
Not sure how I feel about the Miracle mechanic. I don't think it's this huge window for cheating though. How hard is it to watch the draw phase? If they reveal that card that you physically watch them draw at that point, then it's legit. If you can't even pay attention that well, then that same opponent has many other opportunities to cheat without this mechanic.
I think the developers of the miracle mechanic forgot to put the text "If this is the first time you draw this turn, reveal this card." or "If you draw this card, and this is the first time you draw this turn, reveal this card and you may pay for its miracle cost."
Miracle is brooooken especially with library manipulation if we're going to get some. Noxious Revival anyone? 5 you. 5 you again. 5 you.. again again? haha
If the rest of the Miracle cards have such a big cost spread as the revealed card, then the choice to play it right away becomes so dominant as to make this a no-brainer.
On the other hand, if you hesitate for more than a second after drawing your card but before putting it with the rest of your hand, then congratulations: you've just telegraphed your topdeck to your opponent, and since it will likely be costlier to play as a non-miracle, you've lost pretty much any advantage that may have come with the element of surprise.
That could really be annoying. I mean poker faces are one thing, but having to make a split second decision on your topdeck? We'd wind up with people closely examining every topdeck they make before they put it in their hand just so as not to telegraph which one is a miracle.
I think the developers of the miracle mechanic forgot to put the text "If this is the first time you draw this turn, reveal this card." or "If you draw this card, and this is the first time you draw this turn, reveal this card and you may pay for its miracle cost."
How would that work? The reveal has to be a may ability, otherwise you would have to reveal every single card you ever draw, because your opponent has no way of knowing whether the cards you don't reveal say that you must.
i am sure SOME people will cheat, but it will not be widespread.
you know how some people draw their card, then begin shuffling their hand? ya know, flipping their cards about.
THAT is what people are afraid will happen. Draw, shuffle hand, then attempt to cast a miracle never having announced the beginning of a main phase...
in theory, it might catch some people off-guard.. if it becomes an issue I will make it habit to say "please do not put the card you draw into your hand, if you do I will assume you have begun your 1st main phase unless you say otherwise."
ALSO: the ruling will probably state that priority has to be passed back and forth before the miracle trigger window becomes invalidated. almost like a quasi-triggered ability "do you want to cast this for its miracle cost"
I see Wizards is not yet done with the creature power creep... 5/5 flying, hexproof, sac. proof for 5? 5/4 flying undying for 4? (With the huge drawback that you have to play lingering soul?) 3/4 flash flying save-my-guy for 4? 5 anywhere for 1? Woozee. Well, I guess the only thing worth saying is ""smaller than titans" then. Let's hope it's just the first few preview and the rest comes down power-wise. This set will sell.
i am sure SOME people will cheat, but it will not be widespread.
you know how some people draw their card, then begin shuffling their hand? ya know, flipping their cards about.
THAT is what people are afraid will happen. Draw, shuffle hand, then attempt to cast a miracle never having announced the beginning of a main phase...
in theory, it might catch some people off-guard.. if it becomes an issue I will make it habit to say "please do not put the card you draw into your hand, if you do I will assume you have begun your 1st main phase unless you say otherwise."
ALSO: the ruling will probably state that priority has to be passed back and forth before the miracle trigger window becomes invalidated. almost like a quasi-triggered ability "do you want to cast this for its miracle cost"
Since it has to be played when it's drawn, if an opponent ever tried that to me I'd shoot it down. Yeah, it means sometimes he doesn't get to play the miracle he legitimately drew, but he should have known better than to put it in with the rest. As soon as it's in with the rest of the cards, you can't verify it's the correct card anymore and I would say they can't use miracle.
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I will most likely love and hate miracle because I will lose and win because of it plenty. I could see Noxious Revival, plus Thuderous Wrath, and some Snapcasters to play it continuously is probably awesome yet stupid.
I am liking Sigarda. 5/5 for 5 with flying and hexproof is bound to be annoying and good if the equipment or support is there, plus it stops Geth's Verdict and Tribute to Hunger, might be a fun Commander as well.
Soulbound is sort of like banding or haunt. You can pair it with your opponents creatures as well, might cause some odd plays and EDH shenanigans.
Restoration Angel is definitely nice in limited for saving something and I bet will turn out to be somewhat of an annoyance in Standard when flashing it at EoT bouncing who knows what.
The Demonlord is interesting. I look forward to see someone make a deck from that card alone.
People seem to be overthinking the miracle mechanic WAY to much.
It says on the card "play when you draw it". It will never enter your hand if you play its miracle cost. I'm sure the FAQ will probably state the moment the card enters your hand miracle is nullified.
Aww misread it, thought it said play it for that cost if it was the first one drawn for the turn (instead of the clearly stated "when you draw it"). Which then would mean at any time, but clearly everyone having that issue is reading it like I am. Indeed you're right about the FAQ though, as it normally clears up most issues.
The hexproof angel is spiffy!!! I also think the demon could see real play as a finisher for mono black decks. Sac a creature? Oh its a gravecrawler and I control another zombie. Big loss for me yeah!!! The soulbound mechanic is going to be good and so will miracle. That card is bonkers with proper top of the deck manipulation with cards like ponder and brainstorm on can really abuse the hell out of thunderous wrath
I don't see why people think they will get cheated by the Miracle cards. Just play better magic. If the card hits my opponents other cards then I'm not allowing it, plain and simple. It's just like a delver trigger, people miss it and then try to say "oh by the way this flipped" and I say "no, you're too late the card is in your hand".
The hexproof angel is spiffy!!! I also think the demon could see real play as a finisher for mono black decks. Sac a creature? Oh its a gravecrawler and I control another zombie. Big loss for me yeah!!! The soulbound mechanic is going to be good and so will miracle. That card is bonkers with proper top of the deck manipulation with cards like ponder and brainstorm on can really abuse the hell out of thunderous wrath
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
i am sure SOME people will cheat, but it will not be widespread.
you know how some people draw their card, then begin shuffling their hand? ya know, flipping their cards about.
THAT is what people are afraid will happen. Draw, shuffle hand, then attempt to cast a miracle never having announced the beginning of a main phase...
in theory, it might catch some people off-guard.. if it becomes an issue I will make it habit to say "please do not put the card you draw into your hand, if you do I will assume you have begun your 1st main phase unless you say otherwise."
ALSO: the ruling will probably state that priority has to be passed back and forth before the miracle trigger window becomes invalidated. almost like a quasi-triggered ability "do you want to cast this for its miracle cost"
There are ways to get around this. I'd probably set it in a different pile so they can track it. Before the game tell them you won't take BS about it, and then point to that when they flip it around in their hand.
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What brain muscles are these? It's just "did I draw a miracle?" yes/no
He's talking about situations where you have a plan for your mana, Mana Leak, Geist of Saint Traft, etc, and then you draw a Miracle. The question becomes whether you cast the Miracle for reduced price and not make the best use of the current turn, or not cast it at reduced price and have to pay the full mana cost sometime later.
If the rest of the Miracle cards have such a big cost spread as the revealed card, then the choice to play it right away becomes so dominant as to make this a no-brainer.
On the other hand, if you hesitate for more than a second after drawing your card but before putting it with the rest of your hand, then congratulations: you've just telegraphed your topdeck to your opponent, and since it will likely be costlier to play as a non-miracle, you've lost pretty much any advantage that may have come with the element of surprise.
Not sure how I feel about the Miracle mechanic. I don't think it's this huge window for cheating though. How hard is it to watch the draw phase? If they reveal that card that you physically watch them draw at that point, then it's legit. If you can't even pay attention that well, then that same opponent has many other opportunities to cheat without this mechanic.
Restoration Angel is super cool as well.
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That could really be annoying. I mean poker faces are one thing, but having to make a split second decision on your topdeck? We'd wind up with people closely examining every topdeck they make before they put it in their hand just so as not to telegraph which one is a miracle.
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How would that work? The reveal has to be a may ability, otherwise you would have to reveal every single card you ever draw, because your opponent has no way of knowing whether the cards you don't reveal say that you must.
you know how some people draw their card, then begin shuffling their hand? ya know, flipping their cards about.
THAT is what people are afraid will happen. Draw, shuffle hand, then attempt to cast a miracle never having announced the beginning of a main phase...
in theory, it might catch some people off-guard.. if it becomes an issue I will make it habit to say "please do not put the card you draw into your hand, if you do I will assume you have begun your 1st main phase unless you say otherwise."
ALSO: the ruling will probably state that priority has to be passed back and forth before the miracle trigger window becomes invalidated. almost like a quasi-triggered ability "do you want to cast this for its miracle cost"
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Thanks. Any chance of some more cards being spoiled tonight?
Since it has to be played when it's drawn, if an opponent ever tried that to me I'd shoot it down. Yeah, it means sometimes he doesn't get to play the miracle he legitimately drew, but he should have known better than to put it in with the rest. As soon as it's in with the rest of the cards, you can't verify it's the correct card anymore and I would say they can't use miracle.
If you hate the deck, I'm probably playing it!
I need one just for the unintentional nod towards Doctor Who!
I am liking Sigarda. 5/5 for 5 with flying and hexproof is bound to be annoying and good if the equipment or support is there, plus it stops Geth's Verdict and Tribute to Hunger, might be a fun Commander as well.
Soulbound is sort of like banding or haunt. You can pair it with your opponents creatures as well, might cause some odd plays and EDH shenanigans.
Restoration Angel is definitely nice in limited for saving something and I bet will turn out to be somewhat of an annoyance in Standard when flashing it at EoT bouncing who knows what.
The Demonlord is interesting. I look forward to see someone make a deck from that card alone.
Aww misread it, thought it said play it for that cost if it was the first one drawn for the turn (instead of the clearly stated "when you draw it"). Which then would mean at any time, but clearly everyone having that issue is reading it like I am. Indeed you're right about the FAQ though, as it normally clears up most issues.
Also, her art is absolutely stunning. Do want.
Exile target non-angel creature you control and return it to the battlefield at the beginning of last turn's upkeep.
There are ways to get around this. I'd probably set it in a different pile so they can track it. Before the game tell them you won't take BS about it, and then point to that when they flip it around in their hand.