That lich is sick. Sure, the casting is not free, but at least that means you can reuse your creatures, and that is a BIG deal.
Thalia is meh... I don't reckon we ever see anyone using Thorn of Amethyst, or do we?
I agree with your general sentiment, but it may be a bit unfair to compare an noncreature artifact with something that has a 2/1 body with First Strike.
Thalia is not the same as the person on Angelic Destiny. While the pose is the same, the outfits are different and, more telling, the hair color on the girl on Angelic Destiny is auburn, while Thalia's is white.
Love her though. Looks like I have a new card to collect along with Sacred Wolf...
Thalia is not better than Ethersworn Canonist in formats where that effect is relevant.
Havengul Lich is pretty sweet, but not better than Necrotic Ooze for that sort of effect. The reanimator thing is only good in Limited where that sort of slow, grindey effect is on-time. Being at 6 life, an overcosted reanimating effect is not what I want to be doing.
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So if the creature you cast with lich dies, it goes back in the grave and you keep casting it from there as long as lich is in play?. That's pretty good. The activated ability part seems like it will rarely be relevant.
Thalia seems pretty good. Thorn of Amethyst on a decent sized body, could be awesome for human aggro, making all their sweepers cost 1 more is good.
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Well one thing to note about Thalia is that it does nerf Phyrexian Mana to an extend. If she resolves people would have to pay an addtional 1 colorless mana to cast their Gutshots,Gitxaian Probe, and all the other 1 mana Phymana stuff. Then Dismember gets bumped up to 2 colorless,
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Considering Thalia, will I ever be able to play RDW again? Wizards better give me something.
As a Diehard Mono-R player, I don't see any problem with Thalia, she dies to every burn spell. Sure the first strike is annoying, but its nothing like the whole standard seasons of Kor Firewalker that I had to put up with .:shudders:.:-/
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Now if you use the Lich's ability on say a memnite does that mean infinite creature sac since you can just keep playing i over and over again.
No, because you have to pay the 1 again. Whenever a card changes zones, it's a new card. The ability doesn't follow the Memnite to the battlefield and back to the graveyard.
Thalia, I'm in love. And that's mere months after we got Grand Abolisher. She is quite possible the best hatebear yet. As a huge lover of white rules-setting, I thank you, Wizards.
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That lich is sick. Sure, the casting is not free, but at least that means you can reuse your creatures, and that is a BIG deal.
Thalia is meh... I don't reckon we ever see anyone using Thorn of Amethyst, or do we?
EDIT: Just re-read the Lich and found it can reanimate anyone as long as you have the right mana. WOW, that's even more absurd.
We do in Vintage, and for a while Legacy... Then again the same can be said for Dark Confidant versus that enchantment from the previous core set... Giving certain cards a body makes them better, while giving other cards a body makes them worse, this is one of the former as opposed to the ladder.
I really thought this card killed control, and then I noticed it was Legendary. Still a pain but not as bad.
Now if you use the Lich's ability on say a memnite does that mean infinite creature sac since you can just keep playing i over and over again.
...Oh my god, that's sick. Imagine that with Heartless Summoning and Perilous Myr. Just keeps going and going and going and going until EVERYTHING IS DESTROYED.
So, like everyone else, I'll be obtaining a set of Thalias and putting some into my Human deck. The one I already use. Competitively. I hope my local playgroup likes 2U Mana Leaks, 2UU Dissipates, 2U or 3U Think Twices, X1BB Black Sun's, and 3WW Days.
To the lich: Why hello there, new Oblivion Ring target. Or Dispatch. Or Beast Within. Or anything to get it off the table before it starts stealing all my stuff. I get the feeling I'm going to hate looking at this guy's undead face very quickly. I'll admit, though, he's suitably mythic.
Lich seems like it could be broken by someone (I'm not saying that it will) possibly some kind of self-mill deck?
Yep. I was just thinking about how fun it will be to play My Ghoultree out of my own graveyard, because he is then lowering his own mana cost. Go B/U/G Neo-Dredge
The thing I'm not digging about rooftop storm + lich is that there aren't any zombies in standard with useful activated abilities, at least not from play. Just grimgrin really. Still I can't imagine more of a must-answer explosive play than rooftop storm dropping this lich. If only there was a flamekin zealot-style zombie =/
I agree with your general sentiment, but it may be a bit unfair to compare an noncreature artifact with something that has a 2/1 body with First Strike.
Love her though. Looks like I have a new card to collect along with Sacred Wolf...
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Havengul Lich is pretty sweet, but not better than Necrotic Ooze for that sort of effect. The reanimator thing is only good in Limited where that sort of slow, grindey effect is on-time. Being at 6 life, an overcosted reanimating effect is not what I want to be doing.
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Cards like Thorn of Amethyst get way better the more of them you can run. As a four-of, it's weaksauce. As an eight-of, it's a serious nuisance.
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As a Diehard Mono-R player, I don't see any problem with Thalia, she dies to every burn spell. Sure the first strike is annoying, but its nothing like the whole standard seasons of Kor Firewalker that I had to put up with .:shudders:.:-/
I think since Keeper's ability reads " Transform Bloodline Keeper", lich will be unable to transform since the card isn't referring to itself.
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We do in Vintage, and for a while Legacy... Then again the same can be said for Dark Confidant versus that enchantment from the previous core set... Giving certain cards a body makes them better, while giving other cards a body makes them worse, this is one of the former as opposed to the ladder.
I really thought this card killed control, and then I noticed it was Legendary. Still a pain but not as bad.
Lich is yawnsauce.
no, the transform could be activated, but would immediately fizzle because the lich only has 1 side.
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...Oh my god, that's sick. Imagine that with Heartless Summoning and Perilous Myr. Just keeps going and going and going and going until EVERYTHING IS DESTROYED.
To the lich: Why hello there, new Oblivion Ring target. Or Dispatch. Or Beast Within. Or anything to get it off the table before it starts stealing all my stuff. I get the feeling I'm going to hate looking at this guy's undead face very quickly. I'll admit, though, he's suitably mythic.
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