Amusing that the FAQ came up so quick compared to previous sets, but I suppose it's for everyone's benefit.
I'm glad that cleared up the Chalice of Life thing though. For a moment I was worried that it would flip near immediately.
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I don't really understand why they chose that wording for Alpha Brawl. Why couldn't it just have said, "Target creature an opponent controls fights each other creature that player controls."?
I don't really understand why they chose that wording for Alpha Brawl. Why couldn't it just have said, "Target creature an opponent controls fights each other creature that player controls."?
Because 'fight' is defined in the rules as something that happens between exactly two creatures, probably.
Because 'fight' is defined in the rules as something that happens between exactly two creatures, probably.
But then each fight would still be between exactly two creatures, so there would just be multiple fights going on the resolution of the spell? Anyways, I can see how it would make a difference in some cases, I'm just surprised they didn't take this opportunity to use the new keyword, sine they seem to like using the new words as much as possible.
I don't really understand why they chose that wording for Alpha Brawl. Why couldn't it just have said, "Target creature an opponent controls fights each other creature that player controls."?
To avoid having people go "okay, it fights this one, it's taken lethal damage, done". (And you know there are people who don't understand the rules well enough that they'd try pulling that stunt if it was worded your way.)
That, and the wither/infect thing mentioned above.
"If a card that isn't a double-faced card becomes a copy of Loyal Cathar (due to Cytoshape, for example) and then dies, that card will return to the battlefield. It will no longer be a copy of Loyal Cathar and will simply have its printed characteristics."
If you cast a creature card from your graveyard, that card will be put on the stack before entering the battlefield. Flayer of the Hatebound won't trigger.
"If a card that isn't a double-faced card becomes a copy of Loyal Cathar (due to Cytoshape, for example) and then dies, that card will return to the battlefield. It will no longer be a copy of Loyal Cathar and will simply have its printed characteristics."
If you cast a creature card from your graveyard, that card will be put on the stack before entering the battlefield. Flayer of the Hatebound won't trigger.
Wow. So he's only good with undying and creatures like bloodghast? Doesn't even work with gravecrawler. Seems like he could have been pushed a little more given that knowledge.
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I don't really understand why they chose that wording for Alpha Brawl. Why couldn't it just have said, "Target creature an opponent controls fights each other creature that player controls."?
Specifically because it happens in an order. The Alpha kills as many creatures as it can, then, if any survive, they try to kill it.
A 5/1 alpha can kill an entire board of dudes with 5 or less toughness and not die itself. If it fought all those guys, he would die, possibly right away.
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Specifically because it happens in an order. The Alpha kills as many creatures as it can, then, if any survive, they try to kill it.
A 5/1 alpha can kill an entire board of dudes with 5 or less toughness and not die itself. If it fought all those guys, he would die, possibly right away.
No creatures die from lethal damage during the resolution of a spell or ability, so all the other creatures will always have the opportunity to damage the "alpha" no matter what. It does make a difference if the "alpha" has wither or infect, since that will reduce the power of the other creatures when it is their turn to deal damage. If it was worded to use fight, you would have to have each individual fight between the "alpha" and another creature happen in order, which produces very different results when one of the non-alpha creatures has wither or infect.
Other then that, thanks for the faq, always nice to have that up.
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"If a card that isn't a double-faced card becomes a copy of Loyal Cathar (due to Cytoshape, for example) and then dies, that card will return to the battlefield. It will no longer be a copy of Loyal Cathar and will simply have its printed characteristics."
It's not as crazy as a flip card's flipped-ness persisting; Cytoshape something easy to flip into something near-impossible to flip after flipping it, then bam, easy (well, depends on your definition of easy) flip.
What interestingness could be done using Loyal Cathar... couldn't you Cytoshape a Ludevic's Test Subject into a Loyal Cathar? Then, when the Subject dies, it transforms into the Abomination.
You could also Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas -1 to turn Chalice of Life into a 5/5 creature, then Cytoshape it into a Cathar, then let it die - comes back as a Chalice of Death.
Thanks. I looked at the pic, and my first thought was, this doesn't have flash. or this ability... wait a second...
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Withengar's triggered ability will trigger no matter how a player loses the game: due to a state-based action (as a result of having a life total of 0 or less, trying to draw a card from an empty library, or having ten poison counters), a spell or ability that says that player loses the game, a concession, or a game loss awarded by a judge.
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Why would it need to trigger off of a game loss from a judge? In any format with judges it's not going to matter, because there is no sanctioned multiplayer format (other than two headed giant, which still doesn't matter, because the other team wins when just one head loses)
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Why would it need to trigger off of a game loss from a judge? In any format with judges it's not going to matter, because there is no sanctioned multiplayer format (other than two headed giant, which still doesn't matter, because the other team wins when just one head loses)
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Why would it need to trigger off of a game loss from a judge? In any format with judges it's not going to matter, because there is no sanctioned multiplayer format (other than two headed giant, which still doesn't matter, because the other team wins when just one head loses)
Haha I was thinking the exact same thing. Have a judge at your EDH table and power up your Withengar by having the judge award losses to other people at the table so you can swing in with a 13*X Withengar.
If a creature with undying that has a +1/+1 counter on it receives enough -1/-1 counters to cause it to be destroyed by lethal damage or put into its owner's graveyard for having 0 or less toughness, undying won't trigger and the card won't return to the battlefield. That's because undying checks the creature's existence just before it leaves the battlefield, and it still has all those counters on it at that point.
Interesting, i would have though that the state based checks would cancel out the counters at the same time, and in addition to, sending the creature to the yard.
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Why would it need to trigger off of a game loss from a judge? In any format with judges it's not going to matter, because there is no sanctioned multiplayer format (other than two headed giant, which still doesn't matter, because the other team wins when just one head loses)
I've given a game loss at a Commander side event to someone playing an illegal deck. How hilarious this would have been.
Interesting, i would have though that the state based checks would cancel out the counters at the same time, and in addition to, sending the creature to the yard.
Whilst the same round of State based actions would clear up both issues the game looks back to see what the creature looked like when it was last on hte battlefield. At that point it had +1/+1 counters on it so won't trigger.
It is the same basis as the interaction of modular and wither where if a modular creature is dealt enough wither damage to reduce it to 0 toughness in 1 hit you will still get to put counters on another artifact.
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How does a Game Loss trigger the ability? Does Withengar generate a Priority if a player loses the game halfway through some action? Or does it just "go on the stack" when nothing normally could because a Judge pointed the banhammer at someone?
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How does a Game Loss trigger the ability? Does Withengar generate a Priority if a player loses the game halfway through some action? Or does it just "go on the stack" when nothing normally could because a Judge pointed the banhammer at someone?
Abilities can trigger at any time. However, they're only put on the stack when a player would next receive priority.
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I'm glad that cleared up the Chalice of Life thing though. For a moment I was worried that it would flip near immediately.
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Because 'fight' is defined in the rules as something that happens between exactly two creatures, probably.
But then each fight would still be between exactly two creatures, so there would just be multiple fights going on the resolution of the spell? Anyways, I can see how it would make a difference in some cases, I'm just surprised they didn't take this opportunity to use the new keyword, sine they seem to like using the new words as much as possible.
That, and the wither/infect thing mentioned above.
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"If a card that isn't a double-faced card becomes a copy of Loyal Cathar (due to Cytoshape, for example) and then dies, that card will return to the battlefield. It will no longer be a copy of Loyal Cathar and will simply have its printed characteristics."
Does this mean some crazy shenanigans with Phyrexian Metamorph for casual?
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Not really that crazy since Loyal Cathar comes back at the next end step, so you won't be able to go infinite or anything.
Wow. So he's only good with undying and creatures like bloodghast? Doesn't even work with gravecrawler. Seems like he could have been pushed a little more given that knowledge.
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Specifically because it happens in an order. The Alpha kills as many creatures as it can, then, if any survive, they try to kill it.
A 5/1 alpha can kill an entire board of dudes with 5 or less toughness and not die itself. If it fought all those guys, he would die, possibly right away.
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No creatures die from lethal damage during the resolution of a spell or ability, so all the other creatures will always have the opportunity to damage the "alpha" no matter what. It does make a difference if the "alpha" has wither or infect, since that will reduce the power of the other creatures when it is their turn to deal damage. If it was worded to use fight, you would have to have each individual fight between the "alpha" and another creature happen in order, which produces very different results when one of the non-alpha creatures has wither or infect.
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1) Shouldn't it clarify for Havengul Lich that you can only cast the creatures when normally able to?
2) Hollowhenge Spirit's pic is the Hollowhenge Beast.
Other then that, thanks for the faq, always nice to have that up.
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It's not as crazy as a flip card's flipped-ness persisting; Cytoshape something easy to flip into something near-impossible to flip after flipping it, then bam, easy (well, depends on your definition of easy) flip.
What interestingness could be done using Loyal Cathar... couldn't you Cytoshape a Ludevic's Test Subject into a Loyal Cathar? Then, when the Subject dies, it transforms into the Abomination.
You could also Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas -1 to turn Chalice of Life into a 5/5 creature, then Cytoshape it into a Cathar, then let it die - comes back as a Chalice of Death.
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This is my favourite thing.
Why would it need to trigger off of a game loss from a judge? In any format with judges it's not going to matter, because there is no sanctioned multiplayer format (other than two headed giant, which still doesn't matter, because the other team wins when just one head loses)
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Haha I was thinking the exact same thing. Have a judge at your EDH table and power up your Withengar by having the judge award losses to other people at the table so you can swing in with a 13*X Withengar.
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Interesting, i would have though that the state based checks would cancel out the counters at the same time, and in addition to, sending the creature to the yard.
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Whilst the same round of State based actions would clear up both issues the game looks back to see what the creature looked like when it was last on hte battlefield. At that point it had +1/+1 counters on it so won't trigger.
It is the same basis as the interaction of modular and wither where if a modular creature is dealt enough wither damage to reduce it to 0 toughness in 1 hit you will still get to put counters on another artifact.
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Abilities can trigger at any time. However, they're only put on the stack when a player would next receive priority.
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