All I need to do is travel abroad for a GP, and travel to the PT Manchester, and enter the Prerelease for Dark Ascension.
And that way I qualify to enter a tournament to earn thechance to qualify for something.
Actually. I'll pass. Cool story though, props to you. Try living in Wales.
People can drop the 200 point argument, i'll just pretend the competition doesn't exist until i'm rich enough to grind and aim for the PTQ instead.
So what you are basically saying is that you want to have a chance to represent your country yet you ate not willing to put the time, money and effort into earning a chance? Righto.
It's the same in all forms of competition. Ppl will never break onto the pro circuit of golf or tennis pro circuit without having to travel to smaller events to earn their way.
Sure, not everyone will have the same opportunities but you need to make an effort. Sure you may be geographically challenged but you can't please everyone. Remember gps and ptq's move around. If you had major events in your back yard this year and others missed out. I'm sure youd be singing the praises of the system.
Time Money and effort into representing a country is fine if:
Its relatively equal how much time money and effort everyone in my country has to spend.
There's enough support in said country to score enough points to enter.
Note: No GP in my Country.
No PTQ in my country (according to the Locator)
Now tell me, if all I have is drafts and fnm, how many fridays are there until the qualifier date. Not enough to score that many points.
It is effectively, live in a Major City in England and have a chance, or live in any other place in the UK and get shunted.
Not to be a dick, but no matter what system WOTC implements someone is going to lose out from it. It's unfortunate this is the case, but frankly your story is no different from many in Aussie-land and South America. Additionally not all the PTQ's have been scheduled yet, so you shouldn't jump to the conclusion you won't have one. I live in an area where we regularly see 4 PTQ's a season and right now 0 are officially scheduled, even though TO's confirmed we'll have at least 3.
It would be fairly simple for them to lower the number of PWP's needed to enter the Qualifiers if you live in Wales, Scotland or Ireland, seeing as it is vastly more difficult to score points in these countries than it is in England.
Or is Team GB just meant to be Team England.
I don't know how plausible it is to hand craft PWP thresholds for every single place. To get a single GP bye in the US its like 300 points, but every state doesn't have the same density of events. There are other ways to get invited to world cups qualifier, namely pro players club.
If they just lowered the PWP threshold where you lived that just makes it unfair if someone can afford to travel to a couple GPs every year and always makes it, even though he's not relying on the local events. It's never going to be completely balanced system.
Time Money and effort into representing a country is fine if:
Its relatively equal how much time money and effort everyone in my country has to spend.
There's enough support in said country to score enough points to enter.
Note: No GP in my Country.
No PTQ in my country (according to the Locator)
Now tell me, if all I have is drafts and fnm, how many fridays are there until the qualifier date. Not enough to score that many points.
It is effectively, live in a Major City in England and have a chance, or live in any other place in the UK and get shunted.
That's the same kind of thing even in the US. Just because there are hundreds of events that are technically in the same country doesn't mean you could realistically get to a lot of them. Unless you live near a huge city, you're probably driving for hours to get to a "local" SCG Open, GP, GPT, or PTQ.
Why doesn't Maro just buy a private island and host a tournament on there? He could use holo projectors and force people to camp out in the wilderness on the island.
The winner gets to face him and win millions of dollars if they defeat him. He gets to use cards that nobody else knows about.
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All I need to do is travel abroad for a GP, and travel to the PT Manchester, and enter the Prerelease for Dark Ascension.
And that way I qualify to enter a tournament to earn thechance to qualify for something.
Actually. I'll pass. Cool story though, props to you. Try living in Wales.
People can drop the 200 point argument, i'll just pretend the competition doesn't exist until i'm rich enough to grind and aim for the PTQ instead.
It depends what part of Wales you're in, although I'm going to guess now that it's not up towards Cheshire...
PT Manchester is too late to qualify actually as it lands in April, after the rating cutoff for this year's World Magic Cup qualifiers.
So actually, the options you have are as follows:
PTQs for Manchester (One in Manchester end of Jan)
GP Trials (None seen thus far in UK for Jan, Feb or March?)
FNM
otherwise, it's a jaunt abroad with Lille coming too late to count for the PWP cut off.
Ironically for all this 'grinding is gone', if you're in the UK you're still going to be reliant on it...we don't really get enough events to be fussy, so it seems like when there is one the best bet is to turn up and fill your boots on as many side events as you can still. Which is precisely the issue they were trying to kill off.
Because the alternative is becoming a road warrior in the UK and hitting each PTQ going, at which point you may as well do any side events anyway. Plus it's not like travelling in the UK is easy...slow trains at awkward times which don't go close enough, or jump in the car (expensive) on roads which really aren't well designed and usually overcrowded.
GP side events count for 3x points, PTQs count for 5x points, and GPs count for 8x.
If you want to attend the WCQ, you could:
* Attend a GP in your country (getting 24 points for each match win). If you win 3 matches on Day 1 you would get 72 points. If 500 people attend the GP, you also get 6 participation points. Then you could play in side events on Day 2. If you win 4 matches in 2 side events you would get 36 points from that, plus at least 2 participation points. Total = 116 points.
* Attend a PTQ. If you win 3 matches, you get 45 points, plus at least 3 participation points. Total = 164 points
* Attend 4 FNMs. If you win 2 rounds at each, you get 24 points, plus at least 4 participation points. Total = 192 points, plus participation.
* Attend a prerelease. If you win 2 rounds, you get 6 points, plus probably 2+ participation points. Total = 200 points.
Notice that you didn't have to do better than 50% at any tournament, you only had to play at FNM once a month, and you only had to stay overnight once (to go to the GP -- you will want to arrange accommodations anyway, since what if you make day 2?). And if you aren't prepared to travel to play, how are you going to attend the WCQ anyway?
Actually, you didn't even take into account that participation points are subject to the multiplier as well. So that's even more points. You go to a GP with 6 participation points and you automatically earn 48 points without playing a game. In the GP example, you would get 120 points from the main event and 42 points from the sides to total 162 points, rather than 116.
So with these invites to the Cup, its based on Competitive Points in the Planeswalker system right? Or am I doing it wrong, and its based off FNM or Professional?
Why doesn't Maro just buy a private island and host a tournament on there? He could use holo projectors and force people to camp out in the wilderness on the island.
The winner gets to face him and win millions of dollars if they defeat him. He gets to use cards that nobody else knows about.
Oh good God, this needs to happen. I need to play out so many fantasies.
So with these invites to the Cup, its based on Competitive Points in the Planeswalker system right? Or am I doing it wrong, and its based off FNM or Professional?
I assume you mean to the cup qualifiers, because the only way to qualify for a cup invite is to win a qualifier (or be the top pro in your country).
To qualify to participate in a World Cup Qualifier, starting tomorrow until April 1st, your Seasonal points, which are effectively the current replacement for competitive points, will be used. You have to reach a certain threshold based on your country. For Australia, it's 200.
I thought a bye was just what they did when you don't have an opponent to play against at a large event.
That's true. Under the Elo system, though, you couldn't calculate rating without an actual opponent. Under PWP, you either get 3, 1, 0 for win/bye, draw, or loss.
The changes seem pretty sweet overall, Wizards seems to have addressed most of the flaws with the system. Not sure yet if it's better than the old ELO system but it's a hell of a lot better than the original implementation of PWP. I especially like that byes are awarded after hitting a points threshold rather than to the top X players, it was such a simple fix to the grinder problem.
So for me as Joe Schmoe Magic player, it seems that I have the follwing avenues to qualify for a PT:
Win a PTQ
Top 4 a GP
Qualify for the Magic World Cup and finish in the top 4 teams
So, has been this multiplier for FNM changed or not? I'm still having 3x multiplier on my profile on Planeswalker Points. Anyone could explain this for me?
As an example, please explain what this means as far as my FNM Total is concerned.
All FNM events held after Dec 26 will have a 1x Event Multiplier.
The Planeswalker Points website will continue to reflect an incorrect 3x multiplier for these FNM events.
In late January 2012, the Planeswalker Points site will correctly list FNM Event Multipliers:
FNM events occurring prior to Dec 25, 2011 will list a 3x event multiplier in players' online match history
FNM events occurring after Dec 25, 2011 will list a 1x event multiplier in players' online match history. When this correction is made, all related point totals - FNM, Seasonal Award and Lifetime - will reflect this correction.
So what you are basically saying is that you want to have a chance to represent your country yet you ate not willing to put the time, money and effort into earning a chance? Righto.
It's the same in all forms of competition. Ppl will never break onto the pro circuit of golf or tennis pro circuit without having to travel to smaller events to earn their way.
Sure, not everyone will have the same opportunities but you need to make an effort. Sure you may be geographically challenged but you can't please everyone. Remember gps and ptq's move around. If you had major events in your back yard this year and others missed out. I'm sure youd be singing the praises of the system.
Not to be a dick, but no matter what system WOTC implements someone is going to lose out from it. It's unfortunate this is the case, but frankly your story is no different from many in Aussie-land and South America. Additionally not all the PTQ's have been scheduled yet, so you shouldn't jump to the conclusion you won't have one. I live in an area where we regularly see 4 PTQ's a season and right now 0 are officially scheduled, even though TO's confirmed we'll have at least 3.
I don't know how plausible it is to hand craft PWP thresholds for every single place. To get a single GP bye in the US its like 300 points, but every state doesn't have the same density of events. There are other ways to get invited to world cups qualifier, namely pro players club.
If they just lowered the PWP threshold where you lived that just makes it unfair if someone can afford to travel to a couple GPs every year and always makes it, even though he's not relying on the local events. It's never going to be completely balanced system.
That's the same kind of thing even in the US. Just because there are hundreds of events that are technically in the same country doesn't mean you could realistically get to a lot of them. Unless you live near a huge city, you're probably driving for hours to get to a "local" SCG Open, GP, GPT, or PTQ.
The winner gets to face him and win millions of dollars if they defeat him. He gets to use cards that nobody else knows about.
It depends what part of Wales you're in, although I'm going to guess now that it's not up towards Cheshire...
PT Manchester is too late to qualify actually as it lands in April, after the rating cutoff for this year's World Magic Cup qualifiers.
So actually, the options you have are as follows:
PTQs for Manchester (One in Manchester end of Jan)
GP Trials (None seen thus far in UK for Jan, Feb or March?)
FNM
otherwise, it's a jaunt abroad with Lille coming too late to count for the PWP cut off.
Ironically for all this 'grinding is gone', if you're in the UK you're still going to be reliant on it...we don't really get enough events to be fussy, so it seems like when there is one the best bet is to turn up and fill your boots on as many side events as you can still. Which is precisely the issue they were trying to kill off.
Because the alternative is becoming a road warrior in the UK and hitting each PTQ going, at which point you may as well do any side events anyway. Plus it's not like travelling in the UK is easy...slow trains at awkward times which don't go close enough, or jump in the car (expensive) on roads which really aren't well designed and usually overcrowded.
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Actually, you didn't even take into account that participation points are subject to the multiplier as well. So that's even more points. You go to a GP with 6 participation points and you automatically earn 48 points without playing a game. In the GP example, you would get 120 points from the main event and 42 points from the sides to total 162 points, rather than 116.
Indeed.
Yes, they do.
Oh good God, this needs to happen. I need to play out so many fantasies.
I assume you mean to the cup qualifiers, because the only way to qualify for a cup invite is to win a qualifier (or be the top pro in your country).
To qualify to participate in a World Cup Qualifier, starting tomorrow until April 1st, your Seasonal points, which are effectively the current replacement for competitive points, will be used. You have to reach a certain threshold based on your country. For Australia, it's 200.
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Wait, what is a bye and how do you use it?
I thought a bye was just what they did when you don't have an opponent to play against at a large event.
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That's true. Under the Elo system, though, you couldn't calculate rating without an actual opponent. Under PWP, you either get 3, 1, 0 for win/bye, draw, or loss.
So for me as Joe Schmoe Magic player, it seems that I have the follwing avenues to qualify for a PT:
Win a PTQ
Top 4 a GP
Qualify for the Magic World Cup and finish in the top 4 teams
Is this correct or am I missing one?
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will GP PT invites pass down if up to 4 people in top 4 are already q'd?
where is the list for required points to play in a WCQ? per country
There is no pass down. You can find all information including the required points in the premier invitation policy: http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Premier_Event_Invitation_Policy_PDF1.pdf
From http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2218/~/faq---2012-magic-premier-play-changes-(dec-2011)
http://wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Events.aspx?x=protour/default/prizes