The only thing about when a walker dies is that they're dead, there's never been anything referring to their spark going away. And as far as it stands right now, the lore is pointing in my favor, Jeska became undead when she became phage, as she's now a zombie, but when she became Jeska again she still had her spark. So if anything this would be the example where the spark remains.
You also completely ignored my example that people don't have to die in the first place to become a zombie, kinda super relevant dont you think? Next time lets NOT ignore that little fact.
LoL any example of walker dying would be irrelevant unless they were revived. If they were dead how would they be able to utilize their spark? Are they supposed to able to use it while they sleep as well?
Their spark is their being, the body is just an arbitrary shell around it (as Urza proved on several occasions, as well as the other titans and Teferi hinted at). Even if the body ceases to "function," if the spark remains they can regenerate the physical body. The walkers who have died had their energy completed obliterated due to circumstances of their death (Urza powering the legacy weapon, Szat being sucked into the soul bomb, Windgrave and Freyalise sealing the Dominaria rifts, etc). This all changed after The Great Mending, but of course that is not relevant since the event being discussed took place long before that.
The lore does not point in your favor in any way, and all you're further proving is that you know absolutely nothing. Go read the novels, and then come back.
If you realistically think, "ok, when it hits the field it will be 3x the Lacerator in p/t majority of the game." you can assume it's better than it. what about cost though? "one B?!?!? no f!@#ing wey." This is where you should replace those lacerators with a death's shadow.
Rooftop Storm is a crazy good card! Well, it would've been without the 6 mana cost. Still, with blue, you could easily draw and play an impressive number of zombies for free.
Rooftop Storm is a crazy good card! Well, it would've been without the 6 mana cost. Still, with blue, you could easily draw and play an impressive number of zombies for free.
Their spark is their being, the body is just an arbitrary shell around it (as Urza proved on several occasions, as well as the other titans and Teferi hinted at). Even if the body ceases to "function," if the spark remains they can regenerate the physical body. The walkers who have died had their energy completed obliterated due to circumstances of their death (Urza powering the legacy weapon, Szat being sucked into the soul bomb, Windgrave and Freyalise sealing the Dominaria rifts, etc). This all changed after The Great Mending, but of course that is not relevant since the event being discussed took place long before that.
The lore does not point in your favor in any way, and all you're further proving is that you know absolutely nothing. Go read the novels, and then come back.
Rofl I know exactly what I'm talking about, they are still a living thing that could be brought back to life, and that there has been no precedence for a person bringing back one to life to see whether or not they still have their spark. You have no example, there's nothing saying whether or not they wouldn't have their spark, because there's never been a reanimated walker. Just because there hasn't been one doesn't mean there cant have been one without their spark.... That would be like saying because we never looked in the box that the cat was never in the box to begin with.
Oh but there is one example of there being a dead planeswalker, we all know him, and he's been around for a while. Excuse me, but aren't vampires considered to be undead? You know with the lifeless heart and all? Then wouldn't that make Sorin dead? Hmm, but he shouldn't have his spark right? Post mending, but that would still be an example of a dead planeswalker having a spark.
Also if it doesn't point in my favor, then why is phage a zombie? Oh so now it's the people who made the story that's wrong now, and you some random fan is right? Sounds bad, I'm pretty sure it's their story, not yours.
FOR THE THIRD TIME NOW SEVERAL OTHER FICTIONAL STORIES HAVE OCCURANCES OF ZOMBIES THAT NEVER ACTUALLY BECAME DEAD IN THE FIRST PLACE. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH PHAGE/JESKA, I'M JUST SAYIN' YOU KNOW WITH THE MORTAL WOUND AND THE PATRIACH'S DEADLY TOUCH AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THEY DID TO HER.
Flavor text on the vampire should have been: "Haters gonna hate."
I thought this immediately as I saw the noble also.
As for the Rooftop Storm, my first thought was Thraximundar. I have a friend that somewhat recently took apart his Thraximundar EDH deck. If he gets a Rooftop Storm, I won't blame him if he wants to reconstruct the deck.
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I am getting kind of sick of them having such an obvious divide between tournament quality and garbage. Rooftop storm is fun. Would it have been broken at 5? Nope. Did they print it at 6 so it is solidly in casual corner? Yep.
So... what's the flavor for the vampire not being blockable by humans? They're afraid of him? They revere him? They don't realize what he is? What´s up with him?
You are a silly person. Why don't you just read the books instead of frothing at the mouth arguing about something you know nothing about?
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And Sorin?
Also pretty sure nothing in magic has ever set in stone that a zombie has to have been dead, and that my point is that the same idea could've easily been placed here.
Also contrary to what you think you know I've read my books, you're just avoiding my points.
If you realistically think, "ok, when it hits the field it will be 3x the Lacerator in p/t majority of the game." you can assume it's better than it. what about cost though? "one B?!?!? no f!@#ing wey." This is where you should replace those lacerators with a death's shadow.
Of course, except you know how sorin was a walker pre mending and is undead. Also the fact that you dont have to have died to become a zombie, and that you haven't really addressed those things at all.
I remember when it first came out and everybody was going "WOW!" And all the goons at the card shop were going "That will never be played, since it's so expensive."
Ever since Dragonstorm dominated during Time Spiral standard, the development team has been very cautious about "free creature" effects. That probably factored into this card's cost.
The vampire art is meh, who did it?
oh james ryman.... i wonder what good card art he's done
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If you could find a way to get Xenograft (or similar card) out quick, choosing human, and using Bazaar Trader (or similar card) give it to your opponent, the Noble can become a really really deadly creature.
I remember when it first came out and everybody was going "WOW!" And all the goons at the card shop were going "That will never be played, since it's so expensive."
Ever since Dragonstorm dominated during Time Spiral standard, the development team has been very cautious about "free creature" effects. That probably factored into this card's cost.
And Dragonstorm just puts stuff into play, this casts things for you, for as many as you want.
The red dude would make a great uncommon. Epic fail as a rare.
The enchantment is "10 for a dollar" bin material out of the gate.
And people need to stop confusing "cliche" with "flavor". The design level of these cards tops out at around 5th grade. Seriously, my junior high D&D dungeonmaster had more creativity than this.
Okay, we get it. You don't like these cards. You don't like any of the other cards in this set, or any other set I've ever seen you post about.
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Their spark is their being, the body is just an arbitrary shell around it (as Urza proved on several occasions, as well as the other titans and Teferi hinted at). Even if the body ceases to "function," if the spark remains they can regenerate the physical body. The walkers who have died had their energy completed obliterated due to circumstances of their death (Urza powering the legacy weapon, Szat being sucked into the soul bomb, Windgrave and Freyalise sealing the Dominaria rifts, etc). This all changed after The Great Mending, but of course that is not relevant since the event being discussed took place long before that.
The lore does not point in your favor in any way, and all you're further proving is that you know absolutely nothing. Go read the novels, and then come back.
With Grave Defiler and Graveborn Muse, this would be pretty scary.
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I wonder if this card has combo applications with the Mentor of the Meek.
But a six-mana combo piece in a creature deck doesn't seem too playable to me.
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Oh but there is one example of there being a dead planeswalker, we all know him, and he's been around for a while. Excuse me, but aren't vampires considered to be undead? You know with the lifeless heart and all? Then wouldn't that make Sorin dead? Hmm, but he shouldn't have his spark right? Post mending, but that would still be an example of a dead planeswalker having a spark.
Also if it doesn't point in my favor, then why is phage a zombie? Oh so now it's the people who made the story that's wrong now, and you some random fan is right? Sounds bad, I'm pretty sure it's their story, not yours.
FOR THE THIRD TIME NOW SEVERAL OTHER FICTIONAL STORIES HAVE OCCURANCES OF ZOMBIES THAT NEVER ACTUALLY BECAME DEAD IN THE FIRST PLACE. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH PHAGE/JESKA, I'M JUST SAYIN' YOU KNOW WITH THE MORTAL WOUND AND THE PATRIACH'S DEADLY TOUCH AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THEY DID TO HER.
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I thought this immediately as I saw the noble also.
As for the Rooftop Storm, my first thought was Thraximundar. I have a friend that somewhat recently took apart his Thraximundar EDH deck. If he gets a Rooftop Storm, I won't blame him if he wants to reconstruct the deck.
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Unfortunately, Rooftop Storm specifically states "Zombie creatures" so you can't. If it said Zombie cards, you would've been able.
They are, but unfortunately, the card actually reads "Zombie Creatures". So I'm afraid Nameless Inversion is out.
I will find some way to break this card, though. Anathemancer and Cloudstone Curio. I'm looking at you.
Also pretty sure nothing in magic has ever set in stone that a zombie has to have been dead, and that my point is that the same idea could've easily been placed here.
Also contrary to what you think you know I've read my books, you're just avoiding my points.
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Ah yes, Dragonstorm.
I remember when it first came out and everybody was going "WOW!" And all the goons at the card shop were going "That will never be played, since it's so expensive."
Ever since Dragonstorm dominated during Time Spiral standard, the development team has been very cautious about "free creature" effects. That probably factored into this card's cost.
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Yeah he is a really good one drop for RDW. If he gets to attack second turn he will get pretty powerful.
oh james ryman.... i wonder what good card art he's done
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we've got quite the fight warming up
And Dragonstorm just puts stuff into play, this casts things for you, for as many as you want.
Okay, we get it. You don't like these cards. You don't like any of the other cards in this set, or any other set I've ever seen you post about.
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dragonstorm goes to your deck though, and gets dragons.
this only uses you hand and zombies.
It's an incredibly cute card though and I'd love to use it with changelings.