With all the debate surrounding the leak, I actually wonder: does the leak hurt or help wizards more? In a way, its kind of like free marketing, and is part of . Likewise, lashing out against the community can stir up a lot of anger on our parts, and antagonize the whole relationship between us and them. I'm of the firm belief that creating a rival relationship between makers of a work and the fans of it is bad. Yes, some of you out there might be making Jace/Koth fanfic or whatever, and some people at creative might be incredibly ancy about their beloved characters doing naughty things to each other in some dark corner of the net, but ultimately letting that float around is better for the franchise than punishing fans. Leaks aren't quite dirty fanfic, but I think at the end of the day Wizards can express some mild disapproval but it would be wise on their parts to be reasonable and not go on a wild banning and sueing spree.
That being said, big companies can definitely be idiots about this and I'm sure they'd go ahead and sue the hell out of anyone anyways if they cared.
With all this phymana floating around, is anyone else considering Glimmerpost. I already run four, so no change for me, but it may actually bring up the popularity of the little locus.
Alas, the need for mana consistency on the one hand and the utility of Blinkmoth Nexus + Tectonic Edge on the other (and maybe even Mystifying Maze) outweigh the value for that little locus still. I'd suggest putting him in your casual deck alongside all your Vesuva and Cloudpost.
And of course as we all know, life totals don't really matter
Does anyone know how the sealed packs will work at the New Phyrexia Prerelease? Will it be Scars/Scars/Scars/New Phyrexia/New Phyrexia/New Phyrexia OR just 6 packs of New Phyrexia?
Triple SOM/Triple NPH. Only reason they did it different with ROE is it was a large set meant to stand apart from the block and with totally different mechanics.
Other then Sheoldred, all the Praetors are very good. Sheoldred is just an Abyss and Debtor's Knell in one body (abet, a very sexy one). Norn screams EDH general. The Praetors seem to be about control, and I like that. Jin is just evil if you can get him out.
i disagree all the praetors are good except the blue one
it make you draw 7 EACH turn
i disagree all the praetors are good except the blue one
it make you draw 7 EACH turn
I think only the red Praetor has any chance at constructed play through hard casting. The white one may see play in extended windbrisk heights based weenie aggro.
The blue praetor costs 10 mana. It draws 7 each turn. If I have 10 mana, I don't want to draw cards. I want to play something to win the game. And the opportunity cost is too great. Drawing this before you can cast it is like card disadvantage. The reduction in opponent's hand size is not that relevant unless you use flash. They still draw cards and by then time you have 10 mana, they too can probably play anything they topdeck. It's not even a good animator target. Why animate something to draw more cards instead of winning the game or interact with the board like Angel of Despair.
The green praetor can be compared to Primeval Titan. Titan does something immediately. By the time you cast the green praetor, you are likely tapped out. If so, they have a turn to remove it.
The black praetor is a little too expensive to see play in control. If I want creatures dead, I'd play BSZ. There are much better finishers and these days, control decks are not about fatty finishers. Just play a bunch of weenies and equip them with swords.
The green and black ones are great reanimator targets, especially in multiplayer. In competitive play, there are better things to animate.
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The green and black ones are great reanimator targets, especially in multiplayer. In competitive play, there are better things to animate.
What?
Jin-Gitaxias is easily the best reanimator target of the Praetors, and one of the best targets to reanimate ever. If they don't remove it that turn they literally lose. And not to mention if it reaches the end of your turn, you draw 7, then discard down to 7..giving you more potential targets in the graveyard.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
Let me remind you that we have good foundation for mono black + duals and
also the wonderful Inninstrad.
I think we're gonna have some fun in mono-black.
Jin-Gitaxias is easily the best reanimator target of the Praetors, and one of the best targets to reanimate ever. If they don't remove it that turn they literally lose. And not to mention if it reaches the end of your turn, you draw 7, then discard down to 7..giving you more potential targets in the graveyard.
Jin-Gitaxias says nowhere on the card 'At the end of each opponent's turn, they lose the game', so no, they don't literally lose the game.
The green praetor I will definitely be working with.
We still have summoning trap and green can get the mana in no time, especially a green elf deck playing Caged Sun
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Basically saw this right away and am with everyone else in loving it. Both those colors have relevant Mirage tutors for the job, the set actively encourages us to bleed life two at a time (like a turn-zero counterspell, extraction, and redraw that card to do it all again instant), and Soul Conduit just made Mirror Universe an eight-of for a finisher. There's plenty of cards out there that encourage us to pay X life and Sterling Grove is great here. Basically it's a two-card combo deck that synergises with everything else in it.
I'm also loving the black sacrifice mechanics as I run a mono-black deck centered around that. We've already gotten a Mortivore upgrade and now we get to add to that Diabolic Edict Only Better and a hell of a win condition to equip Mortivore Only Better onto.
Stop being pedantic, you know what he means =P Having a max hand size of 1 against, well, that, is basically game over Unless you're a very lucky drawer (person who draws, not a slidey thing in a cupboard XD)
AND THEY LAUGHED AT ME FOR SIDEBOARDING SPELLBOOK IN MY ATTRITION BATTLE DECK
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The main point is that they have the chance of drawing removal or already having removal in their hand with Jin, while Iona doesn't give most decks that chance.
The main point is that they have the chance of drawing removal or already having removal in their hand with Jin, while Iona doesn't give most decks that chance.
Though both of them lose to Jace.
Easy to avert. Let them tap out so instant-speed removal is off the table, and draw so many cards before they untap that even Foil is an option for protection.
Son of edit: you do know the whole point of reanimation is to outrace things like four-drops yes?
Bride of edit at below: cosigned on Fresh Meat. I prefer Wrath of God m'self of course but that is the most hilarious inversion of it in quite some time.
I believe I will drop my current deck of elves once this set comes out and once again pick back up my Black Removal. It's decent right now, but this set looks to make black a dominant color once again; thank god, because I feel black got mostly tossed to the side in Scars and Besieged.
Also, I find it convenient my Molten Steel deck is a red/white artifact deck and the one multicolor in the set calls to me...it's like...destiny...
Well, you see, you take some cards, shuffle them up, and stop whining.
You did not convince me. Some cards from your list were printed many years ago, others are "colourshifted", therefore can not be counted here. Humility does not weaken your opponent's creatures, it makes all creatures 1\1 with no abilities, it's not the same. I believe that even small changes in colour pie will cause massive shifts in the game. Colourshifted cards allow you to do something you could not do before. That's why Dash hopes, Temporal extortion, Gaea's Anthem and other future-shifted cards were in high demand.
You did not convince me. Some cards from your list were printed many years ago, others are "colourshifted", therefore can not be counted here. Humility does not weaken your opponent's creatures, it makes all creatures 1\1 with no abilities, it's not the same. I believe that even small changes in colour pie will cause massive shifts in the game. Colourshifted cards allow you to do something you could not do before. That's why Dash hopes, Temporal extortion, Gaea's Anthem and other future-shifted cards were in high demand.
Psst, two of the cards you listed are just regular cards, not special shifted ones, and none of the three are futureshifted.
The effect could prove so discombobulating to combo players, in particularly, they may fizzle and run away screaming. "From that day the Curse of the Plateau was upon me, and I found every hand I ever pull from a combo deck is a mulligan."
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Well...
I'm going to hate playing my friends elves and myrs now...
At least I have mutagenic growth! HA!
Speaking of elves and Mutagenic Growth...
Honestly, I expect to see at least once:
"I attack with (Insert 2 relevant creatures here.)"
"Okay, I block with my Greenhilt Trainees, Mutagenic Growth one, tap it for it's effect on the other, tap the other, to pump the first, you now have a 6/7 and an 8/9 blocker to contend with. Have fun!"
Honestly, I expect to see at least once:
"I attack with (Insert 2 relevant creatures here.)"
"Okay, I block with my Greenhilt Trainees, Mutagenic Growth one, tap it for it's effect on the other, tap the other, to pump the first, you now have a 6/7 and an 8/9 blocker to contend with. Have fun!"
Or would timing not allow that?
Opponent Attacks
You Declare Trainees as Blockers
Before Damage step you cast Growth
After Growth resolves you target the Trainees with each others ability.
Damage Calculation takes place.
Your opponent's relevant creatures are dead.
Yes, I believe its a legal move.
Am I the only one who is bothered by Whipflare?
It's Mirrian affiliated, yet the flavour text says it is a spell derived by the Phyrexians to get rid of Mirrians.
Let's go ahead and take a look at Rage Extractor. It sounds like an intrusive surgical implement, plays like an enchantment, but if you look at the type line, by golly, it is artifact. I'll take it.
Really, though, after first dismissing it is as one of those (few) cards for which I reserve an abiding antipathy, I have since come to warm up to it. And all because, rightfully, I have mentally subsumed it alongside Aether Charge and Where Ancients Tread (anyone else reminded of "Where Boys Fear to Tread" off of Mellon Collie by that card?) in the category of enchantments which sooooo starkly cost you -1 card but ultimately reward you +1 game. They are just so powerful in multi-player casual, which is driven by just how much raw potency a deck is capable of mustering. Being able to frequently hurl around huge gobbets of damage so easily results in a win when you opponents are otherwise too pressed to as much as keep an Eager Cadet around. But Rage Extractor is probably even better those two aforementioned game-crushers, as it doesn't demand of you to play expensive sub-marginal cards. No, you can play cheaper sub-marginal cards, like the Pith-Pusher (can't recall the name - the black creature that ETBs -1/-1 to a creature). If the only recourse left you is to play cards of dilute strength, it is best that you can start playing those cards on your first few turns, and not on like, say, turn five. All in all, Rage Extractor is looking to be pretty appetizing to try in Casual Multiplayer. Just use it responsibly. Don't, like, hoard a store of rage and then use it to start a riot or something.
Flavor text says 'get rid of the compleat'. Sounds Mirran to me.
It says "Get rid of the incompleat". So unless we read it as "the slag-workers get rid of those that are on their way to being compleat but haven't been fully compleated yet" it is weird.
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That being said, big companies can definitely be idiots about this and I'm sure they'd go ahead and sue the hell out of anyone anyways if they cared.
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
Alas, the need for mana consistency on the one hand and the utility of Blinkmoth Nexus + Tectonic Edge on the other (and maybe even Mystifying Maze) outweigh the value for that little locus still. I'd suggest putting him in your casual deck alongside all your Vesuva and Cloudpost.
And of course as we all know, life totals don't really matter
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Triple SOM/Triple NPH. Only reason they did it different with ROE is it was a large set meant to stand apart from the block and with totally different mechanics.
i disagree all the praetors are good except the blue one
it make you draw 7 EACH turn
I think only the red Praetor has any chance at constructed play through hard casting. The white one may see play in extended windbrisk heights based weenie aggro.
The blue praetor costs 10 mana. It draws 7 each turn. If I have 10 mana, I don't want to draw cards. I want to play something to win the game. And the opportunity cost is too great. Drawing this before you can cast it is like card disadvantage. The reduction in opponent's hand size is not that relevant unless you use flash. They still draw cards and by then time you have 10 mana, they too can probably play anything they topdeck. It's not even a good animator target. Why animate something to draw more cards instead of winning the game or interact with the board like Angel of Despair.
The green praetor can be compared to Primeval Titan. Titan does something immediately. By the time you cast the green praetor, you are likely tapped out. If so, they have a turn to remove it.
The black praetor is a little too expensive to see play in control. If I want creatures dead, I'd play BSZ. There are much better finishers and these days, control decks are not about fatty finishers. Just play a bunch of weenies and equip them with swords.
The green and black ones are great reanimator targets, especially in multiplayer. In competitive play, there are better things to animate.
What?
Jin-Gitaxias is easily the best reanimator target of the Praetors, and one of the best targets to reanimate ever. If they don't remove it that turn they literally lose. And not to mention if it reaches the end of your turn, you draw 7, then discard down to 7..giving you more potential targets in the graveyard.
also the wonderful Inninstrad.
I think we're gonna have some fun in mono-black.
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Jin-Gitaxias says nowhere on the card 'At the end of each opponent's turn, they lose the game', so no, they don't literally lose the game.
We still have summoning trap and green can get the mana in no time, especially a green elf deck playing Caged Sun
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Basically saw this right away and am with everyone else in loving it. Both those colors have relevant Mirage tutors for the job, the set actively encourages us to bleed life two at a time (like a turn-zero counterspell, extraction, and redraw that card to do it all again instant), and Soul Conduit just made Mirror Universe an eight-of for a finisher. There's plenty of cards out there that encourage us to pay X life and Sterling Grove is great here. Basically it's a two-card combo deck that synergises with everything else in it.
I'm also loving the black sacrifice mechanics as I run a mono-black deck centered around that. We've already gotten a Mortivore upgrade and now we get to add to that Diabolic Edict Only Better and a hell of a win condition to equip Mortivore Only Better onto.
AND THEY LAUGHED AT ME FOR SIDEBOARDING SPELLBOOK IN MY ATTRITION BATTLE DECK
Radio edit: I tend to use Festering Goblin + Culling the Weak for all my BBBB needs.
Naaaah I think the future future league realized what broken savage tech Spellbook would be right now. Outracing a ten-drop and all.
Though both of them lose to Jace.
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Easy to avert. Let them tap out so instant-speed removal is off the table, and draw so many cards before they untap that even Foil is an option for protection.
Son of edit: you do know the whole point of reanimation is to outrace things like four-drops yes?
Bride of edit at below: cosigned on Fresh Meat. I prefer Wrath of God m'self of course but that is the most hilarious inversion of it in quite some time.
But my favorite one-two punch is with Green.
Turn 1: Play a Forest and cast Joraga Treespeaker.
Turn 2: Play a land, level-up Joraga Treespeaker and cast Myr Superion.
I'm going to hate playing my friends elves and myrs now...
At least I have mutagenic growth! HA!
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Also, I find it convenient my Molten Steel deck is a red/white artifact deck and the one multicolor in the set calls to me...it's like...destiny...
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You did not convince me. Some cards from your list were printed many years ago, others are "colourshifted", therefore can not be counted here. Humility does not weaken your opponent's creatures, it makes all creatures 1\1 with no abilities, it's not the same. I believe that even small changes in colour pie will cause massive shifts in the game. Colourshifted cards allow you to do something you could not do before. That's why Dash hopes, Temporal extortion, Gaea's Anthem and other future-shifted cards were in high demand.
Psst, two of the cards you listed are just regular cards, not special shifted ones, and none of the three are futureshifted.
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Speaking of elves and Mutagenic Growth...
Honestly, I expect to see at least once:
"I attack with (Insert 2 relevant creatures here.)"
"Okay, I block with my Greenhilt Trainees, Mutagenic Growth one, tap it for it's effect on the other, tap the other, to pump the first, you now have a 6/7 and an 8/9 blocker to contend with. Have fun!"
Or would timing not allow that?
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Opponent Attacks
You Declare Trainees as Blockers
Before Damage step you cast Growth
After Growth resolves you target the Trainees with each others ability.
Damage Calculation takes place.
Your opponent's relevant creatures are dead.
Yes, I believe its a legal move.
Am I the only one who is bothered by Whipflare?
It's Mirrian affiliated, yet the flavour text says it is a spell derived by the Phyrexians to get rid of Mirrians.
Really, though, after first dismissing it is as one of those (few) cards for which I reserve an abiding antipathy, I have since come to warm up to it. And all because, rightfully, I have mentally subsumed it alongside Aether Charge and Where Ancients Tread (anyone else reminded of "Where Boys Fear to Tread" off of Mellon Collie by that card?) in the category of enchantments which sooooo starkly cost you -1 card but ultimately reward you +1 game. They are just so powerful in multi-player casual, which is driven by just how much raw potency a deck is capable of mustering. Being able to frequently hurl around huge gobbets of damage so easily results in a win when you opponents are otherwise too pressed to as much as keep an Eager Cadet around. But Rage Extractor is probably even better those two aforementioned game-crushers, as it doesn't demand of you to play expensive sub-marginal cards. No, you can play cheaper sub-marginal cards, like the Pith-Pusher (can't recall the name - the black creature that ETBs -1/-1 to a creature). If the only recourse left you is to play cards of dilute strength, it is best that you can start playing those cards on your first few turns, and not on like, say, turn five. All in all, Rage Extractor is looking to be pretty appetizing to try in Casual Multiplayer. Just use it responsibly. Don't, like, hoard a store of rage and then use it to start a riot or something.
2 global kill spells though one is on the way out
That's pretty sick
And some pretty decent muscle
MBC Here I come
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Flavor text says 'get rid of the compleat'. Sounds Mirran to me.
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It says "Get rid of the incompleat". So unless we read it as "the slag-workers get rid of those that are on their way to being compleat but haven't been fully compleated yet" it is weird.