Oh so she has the facial structure of an elf, that sure is relevant. If you look more closely though, the new art shows a MUCH wider face. so either the face is something else, or the artist screwed up big time.
I can clearly see that being her origianl hair twisted by Phyrexia indeed. (no sarcasm here)
Not if you're not half-blind/totally biased to your wishful thinking. All the plating is really different. Though most are at the same places indeed. But the chest plating is totally new.
Oh and I DID compare the image with Glissa'a card art before replying. I'm not such a filthy mouth anymore ^^.
I think you should know better than anyone else how people tend to jump in the next guy's cart because, screw logic and analysis, I want Glissa back. Also works for Yawgmoth, Urza, and Goyf.
Not saying this is not Glissa, just saying everyone's argument for it being Glissa are a big stretch outside her hair. It makes perfect sense that she would be back. It would be fun and interesting that she would become phyrexian. But the "wink" WotC is sending us is totally messed up if this IS Glissa.
Ok. Indeed.
I decided to see for myself and merge a large image of Glissa with this new picture. The face is actually exactly the same except for the ears. The lips, eyebrows, eyes, nose, and chin all line up perfectly.
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You know who needs to return in this set for some love? Kaldra. Most disappointing reveal ever. I would very much like for the Champion to get his 15 minutes, as opposed to 15 seconds.
PS: Nice try with the tropes link, but I've digested a fair amount of that site, and such simple references do not entice me.
We already know that she went into suspended animation at the center of Mirrodin and re-awoke shortly before the events of Scars. It's not really a question of whether she'll be back, only of what form she'll appear in.
Huh..where was this stated? I vaguely remember the Fifth Dawn novel & can't focus on the website stories.
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Whenever something goes wrong in the storyline just remember: Bolas did it.
Karn isn't a Planeswalker anymore. Get over it.
I decided to see for myself and merge a large image of Glissa with this new picture. The face is actually exactly the same except for the ears. The lips, eyebrows, eyes, nose, and chin all line up perfectly.
Could just be a similar style guide... I mean you can make a flip book of Withstand Death and Psychic Miasma, but if you look very closely it's not the same art.
Could just be a similar style guide... I mean you can make a flip book of Withstand Death and Psychic Miasma, but if you look very closely it's not the same art.
Great Furnace? I was wondering if they were going to reprint the artifact lands, with all the artifactness that came in Scars. Not Alexander art, but its looks nearly the same. If you look at the flavor text for Furnace, the goblins in the new art make sense.
When that overlapping art deals with a specific Legendary creature instead of two random characters, it kind of matters.
Like all of those D&D arts people assumed were Jace or Sarkhan because they either had a hood or staff and loincloth?
If we knew Glissa was in the set for sure this would be a discussion... But assuming it's Glissa simply by the art is like assuming that the art which lines up with the "iconic" Great Furnace is going to be a Great Furnace reprint instead of something that may or may not have to do with the Great Furnace as a whole. For all we know it's some random spell that uses the imagery of that setting and some random Elf who happens to look like Glissa.
Eh, it's not so much an argument as just a general statement that similar/overlapping art doesn't really mean it's the card it looks similar to.
It could be Glissa, or could just be some elf that looks similar just as well.
It could be, but that poster was claiming that it was a stretch to believe that this is Glissa based on the "huge" difference in facial structure, when there's actually almost no difference between the two, which I would think makes the most logical conclusion that this art is depicting Glissa, and not some other elf that just happens to look almost exactly the same and therefore needlessly confusing people.
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If we knew Glissa was in the set for sure this would be a discussion... But assuming it's Glissa simply by the art is like assuming that the art which lines up with the "iconic" Great Furnace is going to be a Great Furnace reprint instead of something that may or may not have to do with the Great Furnace as a whole. For all we know it's some random spell that uses the imagery of that setting and some random Elf who happens to look like Glissa.
No, it really isn't.
The art of the original Great Furnace is just the Great Furnace, however in the new art, the focal point isn't just the Great Furnace, but there is also goblins featured and the blazing sun in the background which may become relevant.
The art itself of the potential Glissa just looks like a legendary creature. Its pretty much just the elf, and shes the focal point of the art. Is it really that hard to figure out that it could very easily be Glissa? Are there any other stylings that feature an elf that looks like Glissa?
It could be, but that poster was claiming that it was a stretch to believe that this is Glissa based on the "huge" difference in facial structure, when there's actually almost no difference between the two, which I would think makes the most logical conclusion that this art is depicting Glissa, and not some other elf that just happens to look almost exactly the same and therefore needlessly confusing people.
Glissa isn't very unique looking. Sure she has some features, like any person would, that distinguish her from other elves, but as a whole she just kind of looks like any other elf in the long run.
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@Kengy: And Demonic Appetite was assumed to be Grinning Demon for a while too around here... Demonic Appetite doesn't exactly look like a spell as much as a grinning demon, but look how that turned out.
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Great Furnace? I was wondering if they were going to reprint the artifact lands, with all the artifactness that came in Scars. Not Alexander art, but its looks nearly the same. If you look at the flavor text for Furnace, the goblins in the new art make sense.
That art look more like a Sorcery/Enchantment over a Land. My reasoning:
Artifact: Too Much red. Not enough metal.
Creature: While creatures seem to be one of the draw points, it doesn't focus enough on them. It focuses on Kuldotha too.
Land: If it is a land, Why put goblins in the Foreground? The only Lands that have this Effect Make Tokens. However those lands try to make the creatures seem small.
Sorcery: seems like a specific moment. Like the goblins are worshipping the fact that the Red sun is over Kuldotha. That fits flavorwise and fits past "holiday" sorceries (Festival of the Guildpact, Footbottom Feast)
The art of the original Great Furnace is just the Great Furnace, however in the new art, the focal point isn't just the Great Furnace, but there is also goblins featured and the blazing sun in the background which may become relevant.
The art itself of the potential Glissa just looks like a legendary creature. Its pretty much just the elf, and shes the focal point of the art. Is it really that hard to figure out that it could very easily be Glissa? Are there any other stylings that feature an elf that looks like Glissa?
Glissa did have a darker sister in the novels named Lyness (I forget how to spell it) but seeing as she had lost an arm and disappeared from Mirrodin during Fifth Dawn I can't see that being her.
Land: If it is a land, Why put goblins in the Foreground? The only Lands that have this Effect Make Tokens. However those lands try to make the creatures seem small.
While I agree it's probably not Great Furnace, I don't agree with the your views on land art fully.
Blinkmoth Nexus Doesn't make tokens but has a "random" dude in its art.
Forbidden Orchard; has a pretty big bug in the art, one that almost seems like the focal point in some ways.
Scrying Sheets, Boreal Shelf, and Dark Depths; all have creatures in them, and Depths is the only one that makes a creatures. Scrying Sheets also looks sort of like a spell, although still land like. Shelf is purely land looking.
Dryad Arbor Is both a land and a creature, and sort of looks like both, I guess?
We can also go with the very questionable examples of Arena, Island of Wak-wak and Sorrow's Path... Sure Wizards doesn't like lands that don't produce mana, but we've seen them cheat with things like Eye of Ugin.
I don't get all the people who say that Karn looks sad at being turned (or in the process of being turned) into the new Father of Machines - Karn ALWAYS looks sad :p. That's the only expression his face can do...well, also 'angry' if he's tilted slightly forward as he is in this artwork ^^.
I really don't get where everyone is seeing the Phyrexian influence in that Neurok chick, though. I'm very confident that that's just art for a regular Mirran-aligned equipment. I mean, the skullclamp-looking thing may not be Phyrexian since skullclamp itself is Mirran (or would be if it were printed in Scars).
And earlier in this thread, I noticed that someone thought that that Vulshok was riding a Phyrexian horse. Makes me kinda wish that they could have had Phyrexia invade some other plane, where the differences are a lot more obvious to people who don't follow the story too closely.
I know that when I show people who stopped playing Magic before Mirrodin (or started playing after Mirrodin), they can have trouble immediately identifying which art would belong to which faction.
Thran Golem and Beast of Burden are not Karn at all. Let's read the flavor text on both cards.
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All of which fits in with my case as it was a response to;
It could be, but that poster was claiming that it was a stretch to believe that this is Glissa based on the "huge" difference in facial structure, when there's actually almost no difference between the two, which I would think makes the most logical conclusion that this art is depicting Glissa, and not some other elf that just happens to look almost exactly the same and therefore needlessly confusing people.
Seeing as those are Golems who look exactly like Karn, and not Karn himself.
I was wrong with Master of Arms as he is Gerrard when I thought he was just some dude originally that ended up being the image they decided Gerrard would look like, but oh well.
Reading the discussion is tech though, shh, don't let others know
All of which fits in with my case as it was a response to;
Seeing as those are Golems who look exactly like Karn, and not Karn himself.
I was wrong with Master of Arms as he is Gerrard when I thought he was just some dude originally that ended up being the image they decided Gerrard would look like, but oh well.
Reading the discussion is tech though, shh, don't let others know
And not being a jerk about it is courtesy.
Besides, it wasn't very apparent from the context.
Well, I know I saw someone say that the Tez art with the phyrexian buddies was Fat Pack Box art (not sure if thats true or just speculation) but the Karn art looks about the same ratio, maybe thats the other side of the box?
1: This art looks like he is pretty defunct. The art is definitely not what Karn would look like if he would get a creature card, as that would require him to look active and able to do something actually.
2: Karn, Father of Machines is one of the greatest things of the story-driven set and he will probably have a great influence on the war, so printing him in the last set would make big sense. Printing this guy would leave no bomb for the final set unless they include some crazy stupid plot twist. Admittedly, the last set does need another planeswalker but there isn't enough known about that to fuel speculation and hype.
1. If you have defender, you don't have to look active. Karn may still be a pacifist, so he may have defender.
I decided to see for myself and merge a large image of Glissa with this new picture. The face is actually exactly the same except for the ears. The lips, eyebrows, eyes, nose, and chin all line up perfectly.
Reprint Misdirection and Dominate . There, now you can you lose to your own cards instead of being mad at blue.
You mean another? And why?
You know who needs to return in this set for some love? Kaldra. Most disappointing reveal ever. I would very much like for the Champion to get his 15 minutes, as opposed to 15 seconds.
PS: Nice try with the tropes link, but I've digested a fair amount of that site, and such simple references do not entice me.
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Huh..where was this stated? I vaguely remember the Fifth Dawn novel & can't focus on the website stories.
Karn isn't a Planeswalker anymore. Get over it.
I was wrong.
Could just be a similar style guide... I mean you can make a flip book of Withstand Death and Psychic Miasma, but if you look very closely it's not the same art.
Seems like a pretty weak argument.
It could be Glissa, or could just be some elf that looks similar just as well.
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When that overlapping art deals with a specific Legendary creature instead of two random characters, it kind of matters.
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Not a chance. Multiple times they've stated how big of a mistake it was in general to give those lands the artifact type without a downside.
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Like all of those D&D arts people assumed were Jace or Sarkhan because they either had a hood or staff and loincloth?
If we knew Glissa was in the set for sure this would be a discussion... But assuming it's Glissa simply by the art is like assuming that the art which lines up with the "iconic" Great Furnace is going to be a Great Furnace reprint instead of something that may or may not have to do with the Great Furnace as a whole. For all we know it's some random spell that uses the imagery of that setting and some random Elf who happens to look like Glissa.
It could be, but that poster was claiming that it was a stretch to believe that this is Glissa based on the "huge" difference in facial structure, when there's actually almost no difference between the two, which I would think makes the most logical conclusion that this art is depicting Glissa, and not some other elf that just happens to look almost exactly the same and therefore needlessly confusing people.
Reprint Misdirection and Dominate . There, now you can you lose to your own cards instead of being mad at blue.
No, it really isn't.
The art of the original Great Furnace is just the Great Furnace, however in the new art, the focal point isn't just the Great Furnace, but there is also goblins featured and the blazing sun in the background which may become relevant.
The art itself of the potential Glissa just looks like a legendary creature. Its pretty much just the elf, and shes the focal point of the art. Is it really that hard to figure out that it could very easily be Glissa? Are there any other stylings that feature an elf that looks like Glissa?
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You mean like when they promoted Master of Arms to Gerrard Capashen?
Or when they demoted Karn, the Silver Golem to Thran Golem and Beast of Burden (Which eventually stopped looking like Karn at all).
Glissa isn't very unique looking. Sure she has some features, like any person would, that distinguish her from other elves, but as a whole she just kind of looks like any other elf in the long run.
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@Kengy: And Demonic Appetite was assumed to be Grinning Demon for a while too around here... Demonic Appetite doesn't exactly look like a spell as much as a grinning demon, but look how that turned out.
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Edit: Looking at these two images:
Glissa: http://demona19.de.funpic.de/sunseeker_1024x768.jpg
New Elf: http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/602_yq6gwtzyed.jpg
The new elf looks a bit younger and has a pointier chin than Glissa...
The wonders of phyrexismetic surgery, I suspect.
This Christmas, get her the gift that will make her look compleat...
That art look more like a Sorcery/Enchantment over a Land. My reasoning:
Artifact: Too Much red. Not enough metal.
Creature: While creatures seem to be one of the draw points, it doesn't focus enough on them. It focuses on Kuldotha too.
Land: If it is a land, Why put goblins in the Foreground? The only Lands that have this Effect Make Tokens. However those lands try to make the creatures seem small.
Sorcery: seems like a specific moment. Like the goblins are worshipping the fact that the Red sun is over Kuldotha. That fits flavorwise and fits past "holiday" sorceries (Festival of the Guildpact, Footbottom Feast)
Instant: Could be, But Red is more Sorcery based.
Enchantment: See Sorcery. Also, Specific events happen on Enchantments (Furnace Celebration, Anthem of Rakdos
Planeswalker: Not a chance.
Tribal: 1% chance.
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It might be Glissa afterall.
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While I agree it's probably not Great Furnace, I don't agree with the your views on land art fully.
Blinkmoth Nexus Doesn't make tokens but has a "random" dude in its art.
Forbidden Orchard; has a pretty big bug in the art, one that almost seems like the focal point in some ways.
Ghost Quarter; Doesn't even look like a land.
Scrying Sheets, Boreal Shelf, and Dark Depths; all have creatures in them, and Depths is the only one that makes a creatures. Scrying Sheets also looks sort of like a spell, although still land like. Shelf is purely land looking.
Dryad Arbor Is both a land and a creature, and sort of looks like both, I guess?
Mystic Gate and Sunken Ruins; have creatures in the focus to some extent.
We can also go with the very questionable examples of Arena, Island of Wak-wak and Sorrow's Path... Sure Wizards doesn't like lands that don't produce mana, but we've seen them cheat with things like Eye of Ugin.
I really don't get where everyone is seeing the Phyrexian influence in that Neurok chick, though. I'm very confident that that's just art for a regular Mirran-aligned equipment. I mean, the skullclamp-looking thing may not be Phyrexian since skullclamp itself is Mirran (or would be if it were printed in Scars).
And earlier in this thread, I noticed that someone thought that that Vulshok was riding a Phyrexian horse. Makes me kinda wish that they could have had Phyrexia invade some other plane, where the differences are a lot more obvious to people who don't follow the story too closely.
I know that when I show people who stopped playing Magic before Mirrodin (or started playing after Mirrodin), they can have trouble immediately identifying which art would belong to which faction.
Thran Golem and Beast of Burden are not Karn at all. Let's read the flavor text on both cards.
Bolded for emphasis.
All of which fits in with my case as it was a response to;
Seeing as those are Golems who look exactly like Karn, and not Karn himself.
I was wrong with Master of Arms as he is Gerrard when I thought he was just some dude originally that ended up being the image they decided Gerrard would look like, but oh well.
Reading the discussion is tech though, shh, don't let others know
And not being a jerk about it is courtesy.
Besides, it wasn't very apparent from the context.
1. If you have defender, you don't have to look active. Karn may still be a pacifist, so he may have defender.
2. Like Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker, right?
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