lmao i play casually moron, dosent mean im not aloud to know whats hot and whats not.
So if you admittedly don't know what you're talking about, why make a claim such as U/B seeing no success since Ravnica?
Also, it's "allowed."
On topic, Metal Glorious Anthem seems pretty bonkers in limited. And yeah, I'm with the people saying that Elspeth is nuts. Providing three bodies to protect herself, then gaining life until she can nuke the board is pretty sick.
Elspeth is very good, for several different types of decks. The token producing ability and her mana cost makes her damned near perfect for a killer mass polymorph deck, and the ultimate helps protect against counter magic just enough for skilled players to use. Meanwhile, those same two abilities lend themselves to a classic WW beatdown deck.
Still wish that she were G/W, though.... a walker with a naturalize/disenchant ability would have made a LOT of sense in this block. I guess it would have suppressed the artifact heaviness a little too much, though.
Meanwhile, mox opal is hilarious. Still a cool card, but not neccessarily a great card. One more purely broken card in older formats, of course, but who really cares about more broken mana acceleration in vintage or legacy at this point?
Tempered steel has some... interesting implications. Force multiplication of +2+2 is a pretty huge jump for 3 mana in aggro decks, but it does nothing else on its own...
I agree, both planeswalkers are nuts... but I'm just wondering if games are going to make it to turn 5 in the new format?
This is pretty true. Plus, the darksteel ax is best buddies with the new Lich, so don't expect "kill everything" to be as good when you may be facing down that guy and his ax-phylactery after you nuke the board.
Don't mean to get too off-topic... but is the Mothership getting updated at midnight--that is, first thing on Monday? Or are they taking Labor Day off and posting the Orb and such on Tuesday? Any idea?
Did they really have to make more great planeswalkers? I mean the blue/white planeswalker control deck is overwhelming as is, and it's not losing anything when Alara/M10 rotates. Did it really need to get better?
Mox sux. Worst mox ever.
White artifact love ftw. Tempered Steel honestly looks the best out of the 3.
Did they really have to make more great planeswalkers? I mean the blue/white planeswalker control deck is overwhelming as is, and it's not losing anything when Alara/M10 rotates. Did it really need to get better?
Mox sux. Worst mox ever.
White artifact love ftw. Tempered Steel honestly looks the best out of the 3.
How about the original Elspeth, Path to Exile and O-Ring?
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That second ability doesn't care why Origin Spellbomb was put into a graveyard, so you can use it even if you sacrifice Origin Spellbomb to pay for something other than its own first ability. And there are lots of reasons to sacrifice artifacts in Scars of Mirrodin, particularly in red. (Like what? And what do the other four Spellbombs do? Stay tuned to previews!)
From the most recent article named "Scars of Mirrodin Mechanics..." It seems that Shrapnel Blast on Koth is very possible. If it happens that way, I hope I get a cookie.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Don't mean to get too off-topic... but is the Mothership getting updated at midnight--that is, first thing on Monday? Or are they taking Labor Day off and posting the Orb and such on Tuesday? Any idea?
We should be getting the minisite on Wednesday, but there's no guarantee that there will be an Orb this set.
Mox opal is well strange if you have 3 in your opening hand its freaking nuts, but other wise IDK I can't see it being too powerful but a +1 mana that is any color on T2-3 isnt too too broken but it still is pretty nuts, TMS nuts even (or at least price wise b/c its mythic).
EDIT: LOL didn't see the legendary this card is sub par.
Yes, and since turn 4 kills aren't uncommon already (Mono-G or Mono R), and I'm even pulling off turn 3 kills in standard (Goblins, yes I said Goblins. It's only around 8% of games turn 3, but since about 70% of what's left is turn 4 it's all good). And that's without cheap artifact love even.
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Nothing spoiled makes me happy. I am so, so, so disappointed with the mox. I hope there are more than one? If it weren't legendary, then it would be cool, but obscenely-possibly broken.
The Planeswalkers are Blech; I'm not impressed at all. 5 mana costed just is such a turnoff, I can't even express the wretchedness.
I hope there are cool artifacts/lands, or I'm skipping this.
EDIT: I change my mind about the Mox, I think it is better than "CHrome Diamond" in a lot of decks. Could this help Phylactery lich be a nut?
Elspeth is just not very interesting to me, and seems thought-up one breath. Almost one that would incite laughter between designers. Venser sucks top decking with nothing on the board for you. 'nuff said.
So... OK! Elspeth is White. Cuz' in the other forums, I'm finding that Elspeth is GW... But some are saying that Elspeth is what you guys are saying is true... Elspeth is monowhite...
Her ability is a bit tricky to use... But, some will find ways to use her and make her as powerful as her first card.
Silly Wizards, you could have made Elspeth G/W with those abilities! "Gain life", white. "For each creature", green. "Put three tokens onto the battlefield", green. "Make them soldiers", white. "Destroy everything", white. "Except tokens and lands", green. Why did you disappoint me!
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At the moment - no one played a ton of various cards until they became good answers for individual decks, that's the nature of the game - I wasn't claiming either flourished right this minute.
And dropping her to 2 against a RDW style deck is just asking to lose her unless you're presuming you've already got LoSancity already out. (Which is even more presumptuous that assuming your aggro opponent sits on his hands between T4 and T5)
(Not to mention, who the hell would wrath a RDW deck anyhow regularly? 2/3 of their critters suicide themselves before it's even your turn)
Additionally if Elspeth + DoJ becomes too much of a concern for aggro with minimal ramping they can easily drop a Monument and turn DoJ into wasted cardboard and Elspeth close to wasted cardboard status (depending if they've got trample/evasion for how close).
She's good, and it puts you in a good position - but it's hyperbolic and over-the-top to claim she's instant win in that case.
These are all examples of RDW. If we're talking about RDW, then I agree with you, that elspeth is bad and probably gets sided out along with Day against most RDW lists. Well, at least old Elspeth wasn't good against them. This one might be better because of the lifegain. I thought we were talking about aggro in general, which includes stuff like Naya, Vengevine decks, etc. In that case, Elspeth is a complete beating.
Eldrazi Monument is a good answer to Day of Judgment, but Day of Judgment is still a good card against those decks, because if you can play it before the monument, it makes the monument a dead card. It can be a race at that point to who can play it first, unless the UW player has a counterspell.
Whoever said she was good in U/W control, are u serious? Youd like to blow up your own JtMS/Gideon/BSAngel? She's terrible in Control, lol. Thats fine though, aggro decks could use a bit more narrow Planeswalker, and a token aggro deck would be cool for her.
If you have those cards out, you're winning the game, and obviously you don't use her ultimate. Do you play Day of Judgment in UW control? Why? It kills your wall of omens and BSA. Day must be terrible in control...
Unlike Day, Elspeth still does something relevant even when you don't want to wrath the board... Elspeth is actually really, really good if you have a BSA, Jace, or Gideon on the board. She protects your other walkers better than old Elspeth did.
Most of the arguments against Elspeth are because she's worse when you're already winning, and some of her abilities are only relevant when you're losing. That's exactly what a control deck WANTS. Win-more cards are useless (I think Venser might turn out to be a win-more card), but cards that become increasingly better the worse the situation looks for you are the best cards to run.
I can't wait to beat people with the card that's bad in UW control :). I also love how both Elspeth's are good at killing other planeswalkers. Apparently Elspeth doesn't like to play nice with her friends.
I really don´t see how. "Synergy" is nice, but in first place Venser is just unreliable. If you don´t have those other cards (and your opponent will try to ensure that) he doesn´t do anything. In addition, paying 5 mana to trigger a cip card again or giving "vigilance" to a creature isn´t really amazing. Instead of Venser I could always play some game-winning creature (like Walletslayer or another titan).
Elspeth on the other hand, her abilites are ridiculous synergistic and is easily broken if you combine her with some token supporting cards.
Unlike Venser she´s an immediate threat to your opponent the moment you play here, withouth needing a bunch of other creatures to use her.
Venser can bounce any permanent you own... he can reset other planeswalkers (tutor with liliana every turn, make 3 tokens every turn from elspeth, etc.) or he can bounce himself if he's in danger, etc. I'm not sure, but the wording implies you can bounce mind controlled creatures that you OWN as well, since it doesn't say control. I think he's waiting to be broken. worst case scenario, you bounce a land and get an extra landfall or 2 if it's a fetch. Really not horrible.
So if you admittedly don't know what you're talking about, why make a claim such as U/B seeing no success since Ravnica?
Also, it's "allowed."
On topic, Metal Glorious Anthem seems pretty bonkers in limited. And yeah, I'm with the people saying that Elspeth is nuts. Providing three bodies to protect herself, then gaining life until she can nuke the board is pretty sick.
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Still wish that she were G/W, though.... a walker with a naturalize/disenchant ability would have made a LOT of sense in this block. I guess it would have suppressed the artifact heaviness a little too much, though.
Meanwhile, mox opal is hilarious. Still a cool card, but not neccessarily a great card. One more purely broken card in older formats, of course, but who really cares about more broken mana acceleration in vintage or legacy at this point?
Tempered steel has some... interesting implications. Force multiplication of +2+2 is a pretty huge jump for 3 mana in aggro decks, but it does nothing else on its own...
This is pretty true. Plus, the darksteel ax is best buddies with the new Lich, so don't expect "kill everything" to be as good when you may be facing down that guy and his ax-phylactery after you nuke the board.
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Mox sux. Worst mox ever.
White artifact love ftw. Tempered Steel honestly looks the best out of the 3.
How about the original Elspeth, Path to Exile and O-Ring?
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From the most recent article named "Scars of Mirrodin Mechanics..." It seems that Shrapnel Blast on Koth is very possible. If it happens that way, I hope I get a cookie.
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seriously? do you play magic?
We should be getting the minisite on Wednesday, but there's no guarantee that there will be an Orb this set.
EDIT: LOL didn't see the legendary this card is sub par.
Yes, and since turn 4 kills aren't uncommon already (Mono-G or Mono R), and I'm even pulling off turn 3 kills in standard (Goblins, yes I said Goblins. It's only around 8% of games turn 3, but since about 70% of what's left is turn 4 it's all good). And that's without cheap artifact love even.
If you hate the deck, I'm probably playing it!
The Planeswalkers are Blech; I'm not impressed at all. 5 mana costed just is such a turnoff, I can't even express the wretchedness.
I hope there are cool artifacts/lands, or I'm skipping this.
EDIT: I change my mind about the Mox, I think it is better than "CHrome Diamond" in a lot of decks. Could this help Phylactery lich be a nut?
Elspeth is just not very interesting to me, and seems thought-up one breath. Almost one that would incite laughter between designers. Venser sucks top decking with nothing on the board for you. 'nuff said.
Her ability is a bit tricky to use... But, some will find ways to use her and make her as powerful as her first card.
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These are all examples of RDW. If we're talking about RDW, then I agree with you, that elspeth is bad and probably gets sided out along with Day against most RDW lists. Well, at least old Elspeth wasn't good against them. This one might be better because of the lifegain. I thought we were talking about aggro in general, which includes stuff like Naya, Vengevine decks, etc. In that case, Elspeth is a complete beating.
Eldrazi Monument is a good answer to Day of Judgment, but Day of Judgment is still a good card against those decks, because if you can play it before the monument, it makes the monument a dead card. It can be a race at that point to who can play it first, unless the UW player has a counterspell.
If you have those cards out, you're winning the game, and obviously you don't use her ultimate. Do you play Day of Judgment in UW control? Why? It kills your wall of omens and BSA. Day must be terrible in control...
Unlike Day, Elspeth still does something relevant even when you don't want to wrath the board... Elspeth is actually really, really good if you have a BSA, Jace, or Gideon on the board. She protects your other walkers better than old Elspeth did.
Most of the arguments against Elspeth are because she's worse when you're already winning, and some of her abilities are only relevant when you're losing. That's exactly what a control deck WANTS. Win-more cards are useless (I think Venser might turn out to be a win-more card), but cards that become increasingly better the worse the situation looks for you are the best cards to run.
I can't wait to beat people with the card that's bad in UW control :). I also love how both Elspeth's are good at killing other planeswalkers. Apparently Elspeth doesn't like to play nice with her friends.
Venser can bounce any permanent you own... he can reset other planeswalkers (tutor with liliana every turn, make 3 tokens every turn from elspeth, etc.) or he can bounce himself if he's in danger, etc. I'm not sure, but the wording implies you can bounce mind controlled creatures that you OWN as well, since it doesn't say control. I think he's waiting to be broken. worst case scenario, you bounce a land and get an extra landfall or 2 if it's a fetch. Really not horrible.
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