Well, black isn't red. And this can do some things Bolt can't, as killing regenerating / indestructible creatures, double up as a combat trick, and Harm's Way / prevent damage doesn't help against it.
Yes, if I have access to red and black, I'd play Bolt over this, as it can also deal damage to the opponent. But as a creature removal, it is almost on par. And Mono-Black will love this one.
Exactly. And don't forget this is a great answer to Warren Instigator/Lotus Cobra/Goblin Guide, etc etc etc.
I think the counter will definitely draw you cards because then it would be synergistic with Archmage Ascension. Then it would make sense that Archmage Ascension would be worded "end of each end step"
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You didn't really say anything about it....none of us want that card around when we all know there exists a clearly better version that everyone wants to see back. Does ANYONE run Cancel in Constructed? At all?
i use them as proxies for Counterspell while playtesting, lol.
Well the drawback to a counterspell version of mind control is you must have it in hand when the creature is cast with the appropriate amount of mana up.
If I get a Baneslayer Angel on the board and start beating you with it and you top deck the mind control counterspell it won't help you. But if you were to top deck real Mind Control then you would easily take control of my creature and probably beat me to death with it.
In what universe? If you build a deck like that, and ever draw that hand, I will personally come to wherever you live, perform complicated acts of awestruck ********, then disembowel myself to escape the world that allowed something like this to occur and validate you.
OWL?!
DEAR JESUS THEY FINALLY BROUGHT BACK ICING EFFECTS FOR BLUE.
Took way too long enough man. The only think people care about in blue nowadays is counters. (No, not even draw -_-) I think Mana Short and cousins (Early Frost, Choking Tethers,Tidal Surge, Wave Elemental) is overdue for a return. Definitely would be nice to see, and they are as potent early as late. Proactive Disruption ftw!
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
But I hung up the phone because Induce Paranoia is a tease who can't deliver consistently, whereas something with "double X" will at worst (with the right player) be okay, but at best, explosive.
WotC wouldn't print counter creature+ take control at less than 4UU or even 5UU. Mind control costs 5 at sorcery speed without counter nad is more fragile.
Well the drawback to a counterspell version of mind control is you must have it in hand when the creature is cast with the appropriate amount of mana up.
If I get a Baneslayer Angel on the board and start beating you with it and you top deck the mind control counterspell it won't help you. But if you were to top deck real Mind Control then you would easily take control of my creature and probably beat me to death with it.
Or, you know, Desertion. Doesn't anyone remember Visions? Given that Desertion could counter any spell in a pinch, and could also steal artifacts, a 2UU version that only counters creatures seems perfectly reasonable.
Disfigure - neato, but I feel like we are getting really overloaded with cheap black removal.
I don't think that Desertion is irrelevant at all. In fact, it could counter any spell, so 2UU for "Counter target creature spell. If you do, put it on to the battlefield under your control instead of into its owner's graveyard." seems pretty fair to me. Hell, it might not even see play at that cost.:facepalm:
I could easily see the owl just being:
Tappy Owl 1U
Creature - Owl
Flying
When ~ enters the battlefield, tap three target permanents.
1/1
It isn't overpowered at all like this, imo, even if it is sick in limited.
Also with creatures all costing 2+ mana less then they would have 10 sets ago creature counterspells should be buffed.
Gather Specimens is irrelevant it does far more then what the spell we are talking about here. For instance if someone plays a cascade creature or some sort of storm effect for creature tokens Gather will take them all.
Gather will also take non-counterable creatures since the creature has to resolve first before Gather can grab it.
This applies to every card in the format we call Standard with the exception of Island...
Anyways, love Disfigure.
Personally, I bet the counter is the aforementioned:
2UU
Counter target creature spell. Draw cards equal to its power, then discard cards equal to its toughness.
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That BBB black spell that hunts through the opponents library....
Not too long ago, Kamigawa I believe, Quash was reprinted
Given Wizards is going for mill
Quash - 2UU
Counter a spell, search through their library for copies and nuke them (I think they MAY be removed from the game? Forget the exact text)
Given countering 4 spells with Quash = 16 cards removed, it would support the idea of blue going for mill
EDIT: Library, hand, AND graveyard, wow I forgot exactly how...OMG BLOODGHAST COUNTER
Yeah it's probably Quash....buut
Quash - 0 hits in orb...dang.....eh, oh well, would have been nice
Exactly. And don't forget this is a great answer to Warren Instigator/Lotus Cobra/Goblin Guide, etc etc etc.
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i use them as proxies for Counterspell while playtesting, lol.
Induce Paranoia called....
and Holy Strength sucks compared to Giant Growth.
apples and oranges, my friend.
If I get a Baneslayer Angel on the board and start beating you with it and you top deck the mind control counterspell it won't help you. But if you were to top deck real Mind Control then you would easily take control of my creature and probably beat me to death with it.
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DEAR JESUS THEY FINALLY BROUGHT BACK ICING EFFECTS FOR BLUE.
Took way too long enough man. The only think people care about in blue nowadays is counters. (No, not even draw -_-) I think Mana Short and cousins (Early Frost, Choking Tethers,Tidal Surge, Wave Elemental) is overdue for a return. Definitely would be nice to see, and they are as potent early as late. Proactive Disruption ftw!
It was a joke. lol
It really wouldn't have been that difficult to guess the name.
And I think every card designer has put a -2/-2 card with a single black casting cost.
But I hung up the phone because Induce Paranoia is a tease who can't deliver consistently, whereas something with "double X" will at worst (with the right player) be okay, but at best, explosive.
Well hello there, Baneslayer Angel...
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Hahaha.
^-- And this is exactly why these forums are for whiny little babies who can't deal with the fact that they are wrong. So they go cry to a mod. Lawl.
Or, you know, Desertion. Doesn't anyone remember Visions? Given that Desertion could counter any spell in a pinch, and could also steal artifacts, a 2UU version that only counters creatures seems perfectly reasonable.
Disfigure - neato, but I feel like we are getting really overloaded with cheap black removal.
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I could easily see the owl just being:
Tappy Owl 1U
Creature - Owl
Flying
When ~ enters the battlefield, tap three target permanents.
1/1
It isn't overpowered at all like this, imo, even if it is sick in limited.
My guess
2UU
Counter Target Creature Spell put X 1/1 flying tokens onto the battlefield where x is its mana cost or something similiar
It is not as good as bolt at all.
Gather Specimens is irrelevant it does far more then what the spell we are talking about here. For instance if someone plays a cascade creature or some sort of storm effect for creature tokens Gather will take them all.
Gather will also take non-counterable creatures since the creature has to resolve first before Gather can grab it.
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I was hoping it would at least have flash. This... is not good.
EDIT: Ugh, I can't get over it. That's Ultimatum mana; I don't think the versatility of kicker makes up for it.
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Think of it as a newfangled Chimney Imp that can trade its ability to come out on turn two. What, doesn't help?