This deck is face-meltingly awesome and I am definitely going to try to get this one before it's gone at my local shop. Wow, I love the Planes too. Especially Glimmervoid Basin
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Commander R Ashling, the Pilgrim Mono Red Wildfire Control GBW Karador, Ghost Chieftain Abzan Dredge Rock WBR Tariel, Reckoner of Souls Mardu Aggro-Reanimator Midrange
is it just me or do some planes (in all the spoiled ones) just seem rediculously overpowered compared to others? not just a little bit, but like massively. Compare stronghold furnace and otaria. just completely different power levels! seems like this will make the game entirely luck.
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
is it just me or do some planes (in all the spoiled ones) just seem rediculously overpowered compared to others? not just a little bit, but like massively. Compare stronghold furnace and otaria. just completely different power levels! seems like this will make the game entirely luck.
The thing is, everybody gets the benefit of having the plane in play on their turn. If a powerful plane is in play, then you get that power when your turn comes around, unless you want to spend some mana trying to get off of it. The real most powerful planes are the ones that are asymmetrical - the ones that benefit the player who built their deck around them far more than the ones who didn't, and these planes are reined in by the fact that the other players have increased incentive to roll the die when there's an unfavorable plane in play.
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
The thing is, everybody gets the benefit of having the plane in play on their turn. If a powerful plane is in play, then you get that power when your turn comes around, unless you want to spend some mana trying to get off of it. The real most powerful planes are the ones that are asymmetrical - the ones that benefit the player who built their deck around them far more than the ones who didn't, and these planes are reined in by the fact that the other players have increased incentive to roll the die when there's an unfavorable plane in play.
This argument doesn't work any better than when we talk about Balance.
Glimmervoid + Extirpate will basically ruin my playgroup. Not to mention that Glimmervoid+anything means the world's largest storm count.
Naar Isle is in Wildfire? That was unexpected... not as obscure as Segovia or Equilor, but it's still interesting that a location first referenced in Future Sight would be in Wildfire. I wonder if there are any Rabiah plane cards?... probably not.
The thing is, everybody gets the benefit of having the plane in play on their turn. If a powerful plane is in play, then you get that power when your turn comes around, unless you want to spend some mana trying to get off of it. The real most powerful planes are the ones that are asymmetrical - the ones that benefit the player who built their deck around them far more than the ones who didn't, and these planes are reined in by the fact that the other players have increased incentive to roll the die when there's an unfavorable plane in play.
A really good point and I'm surprised this is the first time it has been mentioned. A good planechase is a good planechase, no matter what, but you should be looking for the card that benefits you, not any of the other players. For example, Naar Isle, although beneficial for both parties, heavily favors the player that hits fast and cheap.
Would Glimmervoid Basin + a card like Deep Reconnaissance = all your lands out on the battlefield? Or does searching your library for a card not count as targeting it?
Would Glimmervoid Basin + a card like Deep Reconnaissance = all your lands out on the battlefield? Or does searching your library for a card not count as targeting it?
It does not count as targeting it. The reason why Glimmervoid Basin is worded so strangely is so that it can multiply affect cards that are targeted in the graveyard and in exile in addition to the battlefield.
The rules continue to support that nothing in hidden zones can be targeted.
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Would Glimmervoid Basin + a card like Deep Reconnaissance = all your lands out on the battlefield? Or does searching your library for a card not count as targeting it?
if it doesn't say "target" on it, it isn't targeting, almost all of the time this is the case.
The deck is dangerously broken compared to the other PC decks. FtK? Vengeance? GoW? Actual Synergy ftw?
(Lightning Helix + Glimmervoid Basin or Otaria = lol)
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1 Balefire Liege
1 Battlegate Mimic
1 Boros Guildmage
2 Boros Swiftblade
1 Bull Cerodon
1 Cerodon Yearling
1 Duergar Hedge-Mage
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1 Keldon Champion
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1 Menacing Ogre
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1 Soul Warden
1 Akroma's Vengeance
1 Arc Lightning
1 Boros Signet
1 Captain's Maneuver
1 Cone of Flame
1 Congregate
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1 Furnace of Rath
1 Glory of Warfare
1 Goblin Offensive
1 Insurrection
2 Lightning Helix
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Order/Chaos
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1 Prison Term
1 Reckless Charge
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Rolling Thunder
2 Boros Garrison
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9 Plains
2 Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
2 Terramorphic Expanse
Not only far better synergy, but looks to have far, far more monetary/trade value.
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GBW Karador, Ghost Chieftain Abzan Dredge Rock
WBR Tariel, Reckoner of Souls Mardu Aggro-Reanimator Midrange
Every card not in play it could target? are they ****ing joking?
Skybreen is Broken in Stax or any lockout deck with reusable resources.
Interesting effects for Glimmervoid Basin. Glimmervoid the land gives you any color mana but the plane does copy effects.
Blackmail only targets players, not cards.
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Psst... it targets players... so yeah... you'd only end up with one copy per player.
and you'd end up Blackmailing yourself.
not only are the rares good, but the planes are just insane in terms of flavor and power! I love that they made aygrem into a plane card too!
Thanks for clarifying.
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Just makes those multiplayer standstills end in a heartbeat.
dayum.
and also, Izzet Steam Maze + Sprout Swarm is an infinite combo
Glad I preordered one of each deck. They're saucy.
Naar Isle is good for multiplayer hijinx.
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Skybreen-top locks will be interesting too. With counterbalance, gives you two chances to ice an opponent's spell.
This argument doesn't work any better than when we talk about Balance.
Glimmervoid + Extirpate will basically ruin my playgroup. Not to mention that Glimmervoid+anything means the world's largest storm count.
So all players discard 1 card, so what Lightning bolt would be alot more fun
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A really good point and I'm surprised this is the first time it has been mentioned. A good planechase is a good planechase, no matter what, but you should be looking for the card that benefits you, not any of the other players. For example, Naar Isle, although beneficial for both parties, heavily favors the player that hits fast and cheap.
It does not count as targeting it. The reason why Glimmervoid Basin is worded so strangely is so that it can multiply affect cards that are targeted in the graveyard and in exile in addition to the battlefield.
The rules continue to support that nothing in hidden zones can be targeted.
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R Ashling, the Pilgrim Mono Red Wildfire Control
GBW Karador, Ghost Chieftain Abzan Dredge Rock
WBR Tariel, Reckoner of Souls Mardu Aggro-Reanimator Midrange
edit: the lightning bolt is radiated to everything, the radiate is radiated to each bolt, which are each radiated.
if it doesn't say "target" on it, it isn't targeting, almost all of the time this is the case.
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