Could they be costed something like U/B U/B to get them into the gold-artifact frame while bypassing the hybrid one?
This was sort of what I was suggesting earlier, but rather having 2 hybrid costs of each allied color pair and its partners. Like this: W/G/ Tap for any one of the colors. But that may be too unwieldy to make 5 of them I suppose as there would be overlap then. Still, I think these would be outstanding mana fixers as almost any color combo could play them.
I just noticed that the borderpost names are intraconnected;
Mist + vein (Esper + Grixis)
Field + mist (Bant + Esper)
Wild + field (Naya + Bant)
Fire + wild (Jund + Naya)
Vein + fire (Grixis + Jund)
Wow... I just noticed that too. I thought there was some sort of connection, but just couldn't put 2 and 2 together.
These have to be 2 color artifacts that maybe tap to produce their colors...
Maybe they are enchantments or artifacts that work like bloodhall ooze, kederekt parasite, toxic iguanar, et al. Cost an allied pair to play and give effects, abilities or upkeep triggers based on some quality like colors of permanents in play, specific basic land types, colors in graveyards, etc. Maybe 1 ability for each of the ally colors/land types etc. or one for each allied color pair and the other ally of each color for a total of 4.
They're offshoots of the Obelisk of Alara! And they have their respective bits!
Veinfire BorderpostBR
Artifact (U) 1B,T: Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn. 1R,T: Veinfire Borderpost deals 3 damage to target player.
Eh? Eh?
...Okay, less bizarre, unlikely, and random guess. Signets, but without the 1 mana to input. To prevent you from dropping a bunch of Borderposts on turn 2 and having ridiculous mana turn 3, though, they come into play tapped?
Veinfire BorderpostBR
Artifact (C)
Veinfire Borderpost comes into play tapped. T: Add BR to your mana pool.
Alternatively, they could be Talismans without the damage. (EDIT: Sarnath'd, only without the CIPT part.)
None of these really represent true manafixing, though, which is why I present as my final guess something slightly bizarre and fairly unlikely, but hey.
Veinfire BorderpostBR
Artifact (C)
You may pay 2 and remove a black and red card in your hand from the game rather than pay Veinfire Borderpost's mana cost. T: Add B or R to your mana pool.
Something like that. Added the 2 because otherwise it felt like overpowered mana acceleration. Now, it's just mana acceleration that can also be fixing in a pinch.
These may not be meant as mana fixers... for one thing, everything in ARB is gold so these aren't colorless artifacts which basically throws the whole mana fixing thing out the window.
ARB seems to be concentrating on allies. Not just in colors, but also in "nations"... Esper working with Grixis and Bant; Jund working with Grixis and Naya; etc.
On this thread so far, I have seen people post that these could be colored lands, colored artifact lands, regular (colorless) artifacts, and hybrid something.
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I hope you all didn't forget that other planes have artifacts too- these dont necessarily have to be Esper-made.
The ones related to Bant look coolest to me. I'm just hoping that next we get a Green and Red Scepter now that we have GR leaking into Filigree territory.
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
I've got two thoughts here
1) these cards are gonna cost 2 colored mana and it will be the two colors that are shared between those shards (ie the esper +grixis one will cost UB) I think this is a pretty good assumption based on art, theme, and context.
2) I'm guess it's going to be less of t: add something to your mana pool and more like lands you control can add whatever to your mana pool.
Example Mistvien BoarderpostUB
Artifact (or possibly an enchantment)
Lands you control have t: add U or B to your mana pool.
I'm just thinking instead of mana ramping type mana fixing, this will be real mana fixing that allows you to more easily play four colors in constructed while still focusing on the allied color pairings.
I don't know maybe it's too good, but riftstone portal didn't see that much play and you could discard that thing to get it's effect.
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I've got two thoughts here
1) these cards are gonna cost 2 colored mana and it will be the two colors that are shared between those shards (ie the esper +grixis one will cost UB) I think this is a pretty good assumption based on art, theme, and context.
2) I'm guess it's going to be less of t: add something to your mana pool and more like lands you control can add whatever to your mana pool.
Example Mistvien BoarderpostUB
Artifact (or possibly an enchantment)
Lands you control have t: add U or B to your mana pool.
The Portal is still played in Legacy BTW,
I think they are more like offshoots of the Obelisk of Alara, like someone mentioned earlier.
I'm just thinking instead of mana ramping type mana fixing, this will be real mana fixing that allows you to more easily play four colors in constructed while still focusing on the allied color pairings.
I don't know maybe it's too good, but riftstone portal didn't see that much play and you could discard that thing to get it's effect.
The Portal is still Played in Legacy BTW.
I think they are more like offshoots from the obelisk of alara, like someone mentioned earlier.
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My guess is they will be more like Knotvine Mystic or maybe I'm just a fan of spending mana to get more rather than just tapping for 1 or 2 mana of a limited choice.
Mistvein Borderpost :1mana::symu::symb:
Artifact Uncommon
: add :symw::symu::symb::symr: to your mana pool
Doubtful but I think this cycle will be casual oriented anyway so I really don't see making them into filters/amazing fixers all to likely without them being rare. (although I will admit that these might come at us from left field and leave us all dumbfounded i.e. WotC going insane and making true gold lands. Unlikely and hopefully not happening for 2 or 3 sets.)
Hmmn. Their names do indicate some kind of paired system, either paired colors or paired shards. Paired shards (4 colors) would be difficult to balance, unless they're conditional in some way.
Mistvein Borderpost 1UB
T: Add W or B to your mana pool if you control an island.
T: Add U or R to your mana pool if you control a swamp.
But I have a hunch that these artifacts are going to have some set mechanic that we don't yet know about. Almost every cycle of artifact mana producers has already been done, and without colored casting cost. If they're going to force color into a mana producer, they have to give it something extra.
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If these are mana producing artifacts maybe they are just allied pair after all. Obelisks gave your arcs, but they wanted you to play in those colors.
Mistvein Borderpost would assit:
UB WUB UBG WUBR UBRG WUBRG
It's still a puzzle what the cost/effect will be due to being gold, but it's the simplest explanation and would actually be more inclusive than just wedge or four color.
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Cruel Ultimatum for :symu::symb::symb::symr::symr:???
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Yeah man cruel ultimatum might see play in a non 5 color control deck! (The only deck currently running cruel ultimatum would never play that card I posted above).
I high doubt that these things are going to make anything more that two different types of mana. In fact I believe that these are going to be basically rips off of the signet cycle from Ravnica. My guess is:
Firewild Borderpost RG
Artifact 1tap: add RG to your mana pool
I high doubt that these things are going to make anything more that two different types of mana. In fact I believe that these are going to be basically rips off of the signet cycle from Ravnica. My guess is:
Firewild Borderpost RG
Artifact 1tap: add RG to your mana pool
So you think that with all of the mana fixing in this block that they will print strictly worse versions of the signets in this set?
That card is severely underpowered.
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I high doubt that these things are going to make anything more that two different types of mana. In fact I believe that these are going to be basically rips off of the signet cycle from Ravnica. My guess is:
Firewild Borderpost RG
Artifact 1tap: add RG to your mana pool
this isn't even fixing. Why would they waste 5 slots to put in mana excell?
I know but I won´t believe in a 2cmc artifact that reduces your spells by 2 colored mana.
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I would play this card. It basically reduces almost every card you play in cruel by 2 colored mana, making cruel ultimatum avaible in Turn 5. Of course not a 4 of... hell it might even make Bolas viable reducing his costs to :4mana::symb::symr:
It's card disadvantage. You do not grasp card power well. It would not be played in cruel control.
It's card disadvantage. You do not grasp card power well. It would not be played in cruel control.
It only reduces mono blue spells by 1 mana.
Fool, that artifact to reduce cc of cards by two is ridic. People play birds don't they? This is not card disadvantage, this is an abusive mana accelerator. Getting cruel ultimatum two turns earlier sounds awesome to me, and it even reduces the cc of counterspells. That artifact is OP.
This was sort of what I was suggesting earlier, but rather having 2 hybrid costs of each allied color pair and its partners. Like this: W/ G/ Tap for any one of the colors. But that may be too unwieldy to make 5 of them I suppose as there would be overlap then. Still, I think these would be outstanding mana fixers as almost any color combo could play them.
Wow... I just noticed that too. I thought there was some sort of connection, but just couldn't put 2 and 2 together.
These have to be 2 color artifacts that maybe tap to produce their colors...
Mistvein Borderpost UB
Artifact
t:UB
Fieldmist Borderpost WU
Artifact
t:WU
They're offshoots of the Obelisk of Alara! And they have their respective bits!
Veinfire Borderpost BR
Artifact (U)
1B,T: Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn.
1R,T: Veinfire Borderpost deals 3 damage to target player.
Eh? Eh?
...Okay, less bizarre, unlikely, and random guess. Signets, but without the 1 mana to input. To prevent you from dropping a bunch of Borderposts on turn 2 and having ridiculous mana turn 3, though, they come into play tapped?
Veinfire Borderpost BR
Artifact (C)
Veinfire Borderpost comes into play tapped.
T: Add BR to your mana pool.
Alternatively, they could be Talismans without the damage. (EDIT: Sarnath'd, only without the CIPT part.)
None of these really represent true manafixing, though, which is why I present as my final guess something slightly bizarre and fairly unlikely, but hey.
Veinfire Borderpost BR
Artifact (C)
You may pay 2 and remove a black and red card in your hand from the game rather than pay Veinfire Borderpost's mana cost.
T: Add B or R to your mana pool.
Something like that. Added the 2 because otherwise it felt like overpowered mana acceleration. Now, it's just mana acceleration that can also be fixing in a pinch.
So there ya go.
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ARB seems to be concentrating on allies. Not just in colors, but also in "nations"... Esper working with Grixis and Bant; Jund working with Grixis and Naya; etc.
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Those can be a sort of Mox, giving fix in 4 colors, free cost, some drawback and remind text showing as colored artifacts..
like:
Mistvein Borderpost 0
Legendary artifact
Mistvein Borderpost is a black, blue, white and red card.
When this comes into play, sacrifice it unless you have a black, blue, white or red card in graveyard. [or PUT another drawback here ]
T: add U, W, B or R
The ones related to Bant look coolest to me. I'm just hoping that next we get a Green and Red Scepter now that we have GR leaking into Filigree territory.
1) these cards are gonna cost 2 colored mana and it will be the two colors that are shared between those shards (ie the esper +grixis one will cost UB) I think this is a pretty good assumption based on art, theme, and context.
2) I'm guess it's going to be less of t: add something to your mana pool and more like lands you control can add whatever to your mana pool.
Example
Mistvien Boarderpost UB
Artifact (or possibly an enchantment)
Lands you control have t: add U or B to your mana pool.
I'm just thinking instead of mana ramping type mana fixing, this will be real mana fixing that allows you to more easily play four colors in constructed while still focusing on the allied color pairings.
I don't know maybe it's too good, but riftstone portal didn't see that much play and you could discard that thing to get it's effect.
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I think they are more like offshoots from the obelisk of alara, like someone mentioned earlier.
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Mistvein Borderpost :1mana::symu::symb:
Artifact Uncommon
: add :symw::symu::symb::symr: to your mana pool
Doubtful but I think this cycle will be casual oriented anyway so I really don't see making them into filters/amazing fixers all to likely without them being rare. (although I will admit that these might come at us from left field and leave us all dumbfounded i.e. WotC going insane and making true gold lands. Unlikely and hopefully not happening for 2 or 3 sets.)
Mistvein Borderpost 1UB
T: Add W or B to your mana pool if you control an island.
T: Add U or R to your mana pool if you control a swamp.
But I have a hunch that these artifacts are going to have some set mechanic that we don't yet know about. Almost every cycle of artifact mana producers has already been done, and without colored casting cost. If they're going to force color into a mana producer, they have to give it something extra.
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Mistvein Borderpost 2
Artifact
Mistvein Borderpost is a black, blue, white and red card.
You can use only black, blue, white or red mana to play Mistvein Bordepost and enters into play tapped.
T: add U, W, B or R
Mistvein Borderpost would assit:
UB
WUB
UBG
WUBR
UBRG
WUBRG
It's still a puzzle what the cost/effect will be due to being gold, but it's the simplest explanation and would actually be more inclusive than just wedge or four color.
This is what I was thinking too, but it's too weak and I'd rather not have another obelisk cycle.
Mistvein Borderpost UB
Artifact
Blue and Black spells you play cost UB less to play.
Oh I really like this.
Yeah man cruel ultimatum might see play in a non 5 color control deck! (The only deck currently running cruel ultimatum would never play that card I posted above).
No that's rubbish. A very silly suggestion for an all multicolor set.
Firewild Borderpost
RG
Artifact
1tap: add RG to your mana pool
So you think that with all of the mana fixing in this block that they will print strictly worse versions of the signets in this set?
That card is severely underpowered.
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It's card disadvantage. You do not grasp card power well. It would not be played in cruel control.
It only reduces mono blue spells by 1 mana.
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I would predict something like:
Mistvein Borderpost UB
Artifact [c]
T: Add WUBR to your mana pool.
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This would have to be legendary, because Mistvein Borderpost 2-4 would be free and then things would get crazy really fast.
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