[CON] Cliffrunner Behemoth, Gwafa Hazid (complete)

  • #1
    Cliffrunner Behemoth - 3G
    Creature - Rhino Beast (R)
    Cliffrunner Behemoth has haste as long as you control a red permanent.
    Cliffrunner Behemoth has lifelink as long as you control a white permanent.
    5/3

    and the ability of Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer has an activate cost WU, making it

    Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer - 1WU
    Legendary Creature - Human Rogue (R)
    WU,T: Put a Bribery counter on target creature you don't control, then its controller draw a card.
    Creature with Bribery counters on it cannot attack or block.
    2/2.



    btw, the rule sheet in Conflux pack states "Conflux is so amazing that it has a whooping number of 6 cards w/ WUBRG as casting cost/alt cost while there're only 23 ever printed in the MTG history."
    Quite ironic, huh?

    Ed: some of these Chinese cards might actually be a bit off. I'm looking at Rakka Mar, the card source in fact says "... 3/1 red elemental creature token w/ haste..." while the token we got from wotc is .. well .. slow. We could probably blame the déjà vu since all 3/1 red elements before conflux come with haste (are they?), which means there might be other errors among these cards, or perhaps we could hope for the better Smile ?

    Ed again: trivial. Nobel Hierarch is a Druid so that we could remove the question mark there.
    Last edited by V0id: 1/20/2009 8:32:15 PM

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  • #2
    Wow, Gwafa got even worse, but the Cliffrunner os pretty nuts in limited. Even just the lifelink would be fine, but both lifelink and haste make this guy a very early pick.
  • #3
    the behemoth seems kinda good
    in an aggressive deck where (assuming you didn't overextend so they played WoG) could be really good

    gwafa just seems too slow
  • #4
    Cliffrunner Behemoth seems cool. It looks like Bloodhall Ooze's counterpart, except that this can be "set up" before the card is actually played, like Goyf. This is no Goyf, though.

    Gwafa Hazid isn't incredible, but the idea behind the card is cool. "Here, take this bribe, just don't fight at all, OK?"

    I hope Cliffrunner doesn't become expensive. As pointed out below, Birds Turn 1, Thoctar Turn 2, and this Turn 3 is insane.
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  • #5
    Poor, poor Gwafa. She's getting worse and worse. I love the flavour though.



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  • #6
    With birds you could go turn 2 thoctar turn 3 this for 10 damage + 5 life.
    Its good.
    On the other hand,gwafa is just ridicously bad.
  • #7
    Wow FoD just got a new friend, and a damn good one OMG
    After not playing the game for several years... Reading the Spoiler season posts makes me understand why some people think most MTG players are douches ._.
  • #8
    This only strengthens my theory that we're missing something on kederekt parasite. Now that's three rares that get nice bonuses when you control permanents of their allied colors.
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  • #9
    Quote from MakoEyesX
    Wow, Gwafa got even worse, but the Cliffrunner os pretty nuts in limited. Even just the lifelink would be fine, but both lifelink and haste make this guy a very early pick.
    Not just in Limited; this card is good! Wink

    Gwafa has awesome flavour, but that's it Frown
  • #10
    The behemoth is pretty darn good, may be used in those naya decks. Gwafa is all flavor and no playable :
  • #11
    The Behemoth should be creature-type Beast (not Behemoth)
  • #12
    Lol gwafa is ridiculous, he is even worse than before. Completely junk! Rhino seems funny. Good in limited but i dont think that he can make it into constructed. Good card nonetheless and plays good with figure of destiny.



  • #13
    The Behemoth is an excellent card. Worst case scenario if they wiped your board completely is that is a 5/3 for 4 mana that can be upgraded by your further plays, which is quite neat as far as worst case scenarios go. Best case this comes down and gives you a huge upswing of life while putting a huge threat down, all with haste. Combos great with O-ring and the 5 power helps the Naya theme. I really like this cycle so far, props to the designer of them and to the developer who did not nerf it :P.

    Hazid is really meh. A quick rules question: is the pacifism ability tied to the counters or Hazid ? The former makes it quite a bit better while if it is the later than even in limited I would think twice about using it. I mean it is great on bombs but than a single removal spell shuts it down and the opponent ends up with a huge card advantage.
  • #14
    What the...splashable 4 mana 5/3? WITH abilities???

    That thing is ridiculous creep.

    OK, Gwafa will be the worst card in the set by a LONG way unless its static ability changes to a permanent ability. I can't see WotC printing it as spoiled above, it's just too awful.
  • #15
    Sure, the beast is good, but that entire cycle should have been uncommon. As of now, people are saying "Oh, that's a pretty early pick in limited!" on what seems to be a rare DESIGNED for limited. Because it sure as hell wasn't designed for constructed.

    Conflux is sure to be a great set for drafting, but this is just murder.
    Last edited by seesic: 1/20/2009 5:00:49 PM
  • #16
    Quote from Oni kadaki
    This only strengthens my theory that we're missing something on kederekt parasite. Now that's three rares that get nice bonuses when you control permanents of their allied colors.


    Agreed.
    I stand by that I think it is a howling mine effect...

    At any rate, I really like the Behemoth. It fits into my Mayael EDH deck well enough.
    I guess Gwafa needed to pay mana to play the ability...right? :/
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  • #17
    I don't understand all the hate for Gwafa... sheesh! Pacifisms every turn for WU? Why the heck not... He's a must kill.

    Here's something I know you haven't though of yet.... Gwafa simply rocks if you have a teammate! Hey, teammate, sorry your creature is on its way to the graveyard... here have a card.

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  • #19
    Quote from urzassedatives
    Agreed.
    I stand by that I think it is a howling mine effect...

    At any rate, I really like the Behemoth. It fits into my Mayael EDH deck well enough.
    I guess Gwafa needed to pay mana to play the ability...right? :/


    I tend to agree with you seds, the only other thing I can see it being is an effect that lets you draw when your opponent does. I know that for one mana that's obscenely powerful, but, considering it requires you to have a blue permanent, and that the parasite is so small that it dies if you even look at it funny, I could see it.

    If either ability is the case, it's no bob, but it'll do.
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  • #20
    Quote from Masamune
    Sure, the beast is good, but that entire cycle should have been uncommon. As of now, people are saying "Oh, that's a pretty early pick in limited!" on what seems to be a rare DESIGNED for limited. Because it sure as hell wasn't designed for constructed.

    Conflux is sure to be a great set for drafting, but this is just murder.


    I'm pretty sure its way more "constructed playable" than most of the other rares actually, even if there's no tier 1 Naya.deck where to auto-include it, or whatever. So yeah, not designed for blabla... Its good.
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  • #21
    Behomoth is good in limited but Gwafa Hazid is horrible. Possibly the worst rare created. It's not even good as an EDH general and if you want the colors Grand Arbiter Augustin IV is a much better card.
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  • #22
    Gwafa is really flavorish! other than that, seems kind of dangerous to keep giving cards to your opponent., specially since u have to keep paying UW and tapping her.

    nice idea, though.
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  • #23
    Damn i saw the thread title and hped Gwafa would get better, but she became even worse:o:o:o

    Cliffrunner Behemoth is very sweet though, i can even see constructed potential for this one!!!

    And i totally agree on Parasite, a howling mine effect seems a perfect fit(having you draw whenever an opponent draws even on a 1/1 would be insane).
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  • #24
    Quote from TheWarden
    I don't understand all the hate for Gwafa... sheesh! Pacifisms every turn for WU? Why the heck not... He's a must kill.

    Here's something I know you haven't though of yet.... Gwafa simply rocks if you have a teammate! Hey, teammate, sorry your creature is on its way to the graveyard... here have a card.

    Gwafa helps your opponent find his next kill spell, and then all his "pacified" creatures come back online again and you have just paid 1WUWUWUWUWU to give your opponent four cards.

    Cliffrunner is awesome if you can get one or both of the abilities going, otherwise it's a rather unexceptional vanilla. Time will tell on that one.
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  • #25
    Behmoth should have creature type scarecrow...
  • #26
    Quote from urzassedatives
    Agreed.
    I stand by that I think it is a howling mine effect...

    At any rate, I really like the Behemoth. It fits into my Mayael EDH deck well enough.
    I guess Gwafa needed to pay mana to play the ability...right? :/

    So you believe the parasite has "If you control a blue permanent, draw a card" or "If you control a blue permanent, each player draws a card"?

    If so it could easily go from quite a bit.
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