the first line of info was already posted a few pages ago, but might as well, for the sake of better explanations:
PHOENIX = 3
the name (worldheart phoenix), the creature type (phoenix), the self-referencing resurrection ability (return worldheart phoenix from your graveyard into play with--spoiler coming soon!)
oh, and a very ZESTFUL person just tipped me that the phoenix gets a cool domain ability
just to help out the number crunchers out there, you can already -1 the following keywords:
flying (obvious)
graveyard (obvious)
return (obvious)
two (huh?)
+1/+1 (double huh?)
cheers, number crunchers
EDIT:Finalized card:
Worldheart Phoenix :3mana::symr:
Creature - Phoenix (R)
Flying
You may play Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard by paying :symw::symu::symb::symr::symg: rather than paying it's mana cost. If you do, it comes into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2
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Then there are clearly 3 seperate Nacatl named cards which takes up 3 of 4 "Cat" cards.
Nacatl Hunt-Pride
Nacatl Outlander
Nscatl Savage (missed it on the name list)
The last Cat is the Wild Leotau.
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oh, and a very ZESTFUL person just tipped me that the phoenix gets a cool domain ability
Okay, so something like this?
Worldheart Phoenix <cc unknown, I assume Jund colors>
Creature-Phoenix (Rare)
Flying WUBRG:Return Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
/T unknown>
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Like was being discussed in the speculation thread already, its very possible this card is inspired by Eternal Dragon. Probably has basic landcycling for 1R, maybe a CC of 5 or 6, and mediocre stats (3/3?), until you start returning it to play with counters on it.
Ok, so my guess is:
Worldheart Phoenix 3RR
Creature - Phoenix
Flying WUBRGReturn Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard to play with 2 +1/+1 counters on it. Play this ability only during your upkeep.
Basic Landcycling 1R
3/3
it would be cool id the domain ability was something like:
Worldheart Phoenix 4R
Flying Domain- at the beginning of your upkeep if you control a land of each basic land typ return ~ from your graveyard to play with a +1/+1 counter on it.
3/3
Worldheart Phoenix4RR
Creature - Phoenix (R)
Flying WUBRG: Return Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard to play with 2 +1/+1 counters on it for each basic land type among lands you control. Play this ability only during your upkeep.
4/4
but wished it wasnt basic landcycling... it would be great if u could search for a dual with this :D, but i think i wont be that lucky. its probably something like:
worlheard phoenix 4RR
Flying
2: basic landcycling
WUBRG: return ~this~ from your grave to play with 2 +1/+1 on it
2/3
Well, the word Lancycling only appears in the orb 5 times, and we already have all 5 accounted for, so the Phoenix doesn't have landcycling.
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how about do something interesting,
Unearth: WUBRG
if worldheart phoenix is removed from the game, return it to your hand at the begining of your upkeep
I completely agree. There are some great concepts coming out of the spoiled cards, but as soon as I read the wrods "domain," I get a queasy feelin' in ma' tummy.
I can understand cards like Imperiosaur needing only basic mana to fuel their rage, but to push 5-color decks? Didn't we learn our lesson that it is a waste of design space when sunburst burst on the scene like an outdated New Kid on the Block... paging Joey McIntyre, Mr. McIntyre please pick up the white courtesy phone and tell WotC that 5 color decks are dinosaurs that went extinct for a reason.
I'd wish they were 3-color spells, or at least 4-color spells. I'd like to start using my dusty place-sets of Nephilims. But 5 colors?!?! Really?!?!?!
I definitely see more *****in' & complainin' coming out of this!
(and Mr. Mod, please see how I am using the above word. It does not need censoring.)
In this regard, the word "domain" meant WUBRG. No limitation from what the mana comes from. You can play it from basic lands as well as from e.g. Kaleidostone.
It can be played from the grave only for the domain cost, and by such play, it will grow once its own size, having after the P and T the same as the CMC.
In this regard, the word "domain" meant WUBRG. No limitation from which the mana comes from. You can play it from basic lands as well as from e.g. Kaleidostone.
It can be played from the grave only for the domain cost, and by such play, it will grow once its own size, having after the P and T the same as the CMC.
Worldheart Phoenix 2RR
Creature- Phoenix WRUGB: Return Worldheart Phoenix from graveyard to play with two +1/+1 counters.
2/2
if this is it, it is actually playable in standard, even if it does smell a little bit janky with that domain cost.
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
I'm not sure this is that strong in standard since With Path To Exile, Condemn, O-Ring, Unmake, Bant Charm, graveyard recursion is not what it used to be.
Worldheart Phoenix2RBW Creature- Phoenix
Flying
Whenever you add WURGB to your mana pool, if Worldheart Phoenix is in your graveyard, you may put it into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2.
Worldheart Phoenix
3R
Creature - Phoenix
Flying
WUBRG: Return Phoenix from your graveyard to play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2
You got it almost 100%. The complete wording is:
Worldheart Phoenix3R
Creature - Phoenix
Flying
You may play Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard by paying WUBRG rather than paying it's mana cost. If you do, it comes into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2
It's apparently restricted by the normal rules for playing creatures.
I will update the first post and change the name of the thread.
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terrible. is red the domain mana color now or something? either way i like the dragonknight WAY more than this. maybe if the set didn't include the soon to be most used removal in the format that also removes creatures from the game. pretty annoying to blow 4 mana on a 2/2, have it die in a chump block to a properly costed creature, and then pay another FIVE to bring it back only to have it removed from the game. yuck
i personally like it, it should be played like a 4/4 that keeps coming back, don't let it be vulnurable to magma spray, but in general i like horde of nations ability better at that cost
I really really like this card, it's a great card for 5 color or domain. I have always like cards that pop out of the graveyard, this flies which is great, and gets counters which is really cool. Seems like a really fun card.
Hmmm. I love phoenix cards but this seems kind of meh. Maybe it's just because there seem to be a ton of other "domain"/5-color cards in this set. This feels kind of lame, but I can't put my finger on why. does this even need to be a domain mana ability in the first place? feels like needless pushing of 5-color, which has more than enough help as it is.
The name is really cool though. And, given awesome art, I can learn to love it.
What I wonder is whether cards like this would end up in a true domain (one of each land type) deck, or would they be pushed out by real domain cards that would presumably give great bonuses to players who actually have many basic land types? If you can get the 5 mana through gold lands, maybe this is worth it, but if you go through the trouble of getting out one of each basic land type, you can probably do better, right?
PHOENIX = 3
the name (worldheart phoenix), the creature type (phoenix), the self-referencing resurrection ability (return worldheart phoenix from your graveyard into play with--spoiler coming soon!)
oh, and a very ZESTFUL person just tipped me that the phoenix gets a cool domain ability
just to help out the number crunchers out there, you can already -1 the following keywords:
flying (obvious)
graveyard (obvious)
return (obvious)
two (huh?)
+1/+1 (double huh?)
cheers, number crunchers
EDIT: Finalized card:
Worldheart Phoenix :3mana::symr:
Creature - Phoenix (R)
Flying
You may play Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard by paying :symw::symu::symb::symr::symg: rather than paying it's mana cost. If you do, it comes into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2
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Okay, so something like this?
Worldheart Phoenix <cc unknown, I assume Jund colors>
Creature-Phoenix (Rare)
Flying
WUBRG:Return Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
/T unknown>
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Zesty, your input would be welcome
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Ok, so my guess is:
Worldheart Phoenix 3RR
Creature - Phoenix
Flying
WUBRGReturn Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard to play with 2 +1/+1 counters on it. Play this ability only during your upkeep.
Basic Landcycling 1R
3/3
Worldheart Phoenix 4R
Flying
Domain- at the beginning of your upkeep if you control a land of each basic land typ return ~ from your graveyard to play with a +1/+1 counter on it.
3/3
obviously totally random guesses on P/T and CC
Worldheart Phoenix 4RR
Creature - Phoenix (R)
Flying
WUBRG: Return Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard to play with 2 +1/+1 counters on it for each basic land type among lands you control. Play this ability only during your upkeep.
4/4
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Rainbow deck are inerenthly stupid.
Well, the word Lancycling only appears in the orb 5 times, and we already have all 5 accounted for, so the Phoenix doesn't have landcycling.
Unearth: WUBRG
if worldheart phoenix is removed from the game, return it to your hand at the begining of your upkeep
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!
I completely agree. There are some great concepts coming out of the spoiled cards, but as soon as I read the wrods "domain," I get a queasy feelin' in ma' tummy.
I can understand cards like Imperiosaur needing only basic mana to fuel their rage, but to push 5-color decks? Didn't we learn our lesson that it is a waste of design space when sunburst burst on the scene like an outdated New Kid on the Block... paging Joey McIntyre, Mr. McIntyre please pick up the white courtesy phone and tell WotC that 5 color decks are dinosaurs that went extinct for a reason.
I'd wish they were 3-color spells, or at least 4-color spells. I'd like to start using my dusty place-sets of Nephilims. But 5 colors?!?! Really?!?!?!
I definitely see more *****in' & complainin' coming out of this!
(and Mr. Mod, please see how I am using the above word. It does not need censoring.)
In this regard, the word "domain" meant WUBRG. No limitation from what the mana comes from. You can play it from basic lands as well as from e.g. Kaleidostone.
It can be played from the grave only for the domain cost, and by such play, it will grow once its own size, having after the P and T the same as the CMC.
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Worldheart Phoenix
2RR
Creature- Phoenix
WRUGB: Return Worldheart Phoenix from graveyard to play with two +1/+1 counters.
2/2
if this is it, it is actually playable in standard, even if it does smell a little bit janky with that domain cost.
Worldheart Phoenix 2RBW
Creature- Phoenix
Flying
Whenever you add WURGB to your mana pool, if Worldheart Phoenix is in your graveyard, you may put it into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2.
How about some idea like that?
You got it almost 100%. The complete wording is:
Worldheart Phoenix 3R
Creature - Phoenix
Flying
You may play Worldheart Phoenix from your graveyard by paying WUBRG rather than paying it's mana cost. If you do, it comes into play with two +1/+1 counters on it.
2/2
It's apparently restricted by the normal rules for playing creatures.
I will update the first post and change the name of the thread.
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The final version of the card is in my post and edited into the first post.
Further guesses will be deleted. Just discuss the card as it is.
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It was only a minute after your post with the official wording, he was probably referring to a previous guess before your final word.
It's still interesting the way it turned out, but would've made more sense with a larger body to begin with. I don't like it.
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The name is really cool though. And, given awesome art, I can learn to love it.
What I wonder is whether cards like this would end up in a true domain (one of each land type) deck, or would they be pushed out by real domain cards that would presumably give great bonuses to players who actually have many basic land types? If you can get the 5 mana through gold lands, maybe this is worth it, but if you go through the trouble of getting out one of each basic land type, you can probably do better, right?
Nope. It can be revived only for the domain cost.
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