Ramosian Resurrector (Reviver? Reanimator?) 3W
Criature - Human Cleric Rebel 6, Return target Rebel card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play. The Ramosian tradition lives, but the meaning of its name has been long forgotten.
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My guess this is one of the "Red Herring" cards in the set.
It doesn't have a mechanic from a future set, and it's not showing us a new land. I think it's just a look into Mercadia's future, a place unlikely to be revisited.
This is real, its from a real website that will lose credibility if this is fake. Also, people are making too much out of the word permanent. The better translation of the card is "Return target Rebel permanent card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play." It uses both the words permanent and card. "la carte" is (the) card in Spainish.
Seems neat...but thats a pricey creature (4cc) with a very pricey effect (6). You end up paying 10 mana to recur a limited creature type with cc 5 or less... Meh.
Of course, if we get some good 5 cc rebels to recur, it may look a little better, but without some insolvability its an expensive non-threat that is easy to kill if someone manages to set something up with it.
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I love this card for my block rebel deck, but in truth, feldon's cane is just as good when you have searchers. Still could be useful as a one of though.
Of course he is not lying! he is my friend and a respected player!
Apologies for this misunderstanding. Firstly I don't know anything about the Magic scene outside of my own country, and secondly by the time I had posted my message people were confirming it was real, so my own inability to type fast screwed me over.
Again Mr roses, apologies for any offence I have cause you and Axel.
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Apologies for this misunderstanding. Firstly I don't know anything about the Magic scene outside of my own country, and secondly by the time I had posted my message people were confirming it was real, so my own inability to type fast screwed me over.
Again Mr roses, apologies for any offence I have cause you and Axel.
Nah, its ok man no problem.
I wasnt mad or something, its just the way i write ^^
If I'm correct in my translation ["Return target Rebel permanent card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play."] maybe this hints at Rebel also being a subtype of Instants and Sorceries, similar to Arcane. If I'm wrong then the word permanent seems superfluous, since all Rebel cards would be permanents. I'll be interested in seeing more...
6 Mana to bring a creature back from the graveyard isn't outrageous if it is a big creature like Akroma, but 6 mana for a small rebel just doesn't seem worth it.
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Eww, not a fan of this idea. Assuming it's real, I don't think I would ever play with it. There are better ways to keep yourself in creatures.
And like Seds says, even if it's real, that doesn't mean rebels (or Ramosians) will be in future sets. It means they might be. In other words, we can glean nothing from any futureshifted card.
To Mr roses (original poster) or a mod: could you please fix the first post? A better translation for the Spanish "la carta de permanente Rebele" is "rebel permanent card" not "rebel permanent." This would stop some of the speculation going on in this thread about the templating.
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To Mr roses (original poster) or a mod: could you please fix the first post? A better translation for the Spanish "la carta de permanente Rebele" is "rebel permanent card" not "rebel permanent." This would stop some of the speculation going on in this thread about the templating.
Ramosian Resurrector (Reviver? Reanimator?) 3W
Criature - Human Cleric Rebel 6, Return target Rebel card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play. The Ramosian tradition lives, but the meaning of its name has been long forgotten.
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Almost. This would be more like it:
Ramosian Reviver 3W
Creature - Human Cleric Rebel 6, Return target Rebel permanent card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play. The Ramosian tradition lives, but the meaning (reason?) of its (his? her?) name has been long forgotten.
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Renimator is usually translated as Reanimador. Resurrector would be translated as resuscitador. This is not definite though.
A Rebel permanent card would be a Rebel creature card, Rebel land card, or Rebel enchantment card. This, along with the wording of Sliver Legion, seems to imply the existence of non-creature permanents with creature types either in this set or in the future.
Finally, in the flavor text, "su" might refer to either the tradition or to the Ramosian who performs the rite. "El porqué" can be translated as "why it started" or "the meaning behind the rite."
Ramosian Reviver 3W
Creature - Human Cleric Rebel 6, Return target Rebel permanent card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play.
2/2
A Rebel permanent card would be a Rebel creature card, Rebel land card, or Rebel enchantment card. This, along with the wording of Sliver Legion, seems to imply the existence of non-creature permanents with creature types either in this set or in the future.
It also implies that there are Rebel Instants and sorceries, because that would necessitate the saying "Rebel permanent card". If there are no Rebel instants and sorceries, then "Rebel card" would suffice. We should always assume that every word of rules text is put there for a reason. Therefore, by the inclusion of the word "permanent" we can conclude that there is a new subtype for instants and sorceries called Rebel.
If this is so, the question is raised, "Why?" Is it to expand splice? Some new mechanic?
As someone who drafted rebels the last two drafts we had over at SCW (unfortunately I got shafted last time because I got sat between two of the only decent players at the event, so no removal was passed to me, and they yanked 4 blightspeakers and 5 or 6 rathi trappers between them, so I got nothing decent passed to me in the way of searchers) rebels are mad in limited... and the biggest problem is that you can't get them back once they die without randomly picking up a dread return or ressurection.... the biggest drawback of playing rebels is how bloody slow the game can get (since you're playing a draw-go aggro control deck :P)
I am confused, though, about what future mechanic this futureshifted card is trying to showcase.
That in the future Rebels will be returning rebels from the graveyard? It's neat for a couple of cards, but I don't think they can support more than two whole bunch of rebels with this mechanic (they would just become redundant and dumb, because you would need to get your rebels in the graveyard in the first place; the original rebel mechanic worked well because rebels start out in your library).
(Though there could be dredge rebels...that'd be cool, I think.)
That in the future there will be Rebels? Why, when there's already been rebels in Mercadian Masques and Time Spiral (and Time Spiral pretty much uses up what's left in their design space, and mainly used them for nostalgia), and the design space there is certainly less than that of slivers (which can return for so many blocks because there are so many abilities you can give to slivers).
I mean, compare to Imperiosaur, which tells us a lot more: that a future block may push monocolored and that a future block will have the mechanic "can only be played with basic lands."
Basically, I don't understand why this card is futureshifted. My point is this card could fit right into Time Spiral block, which has rebels, without being futureshifted.
I guess (from the futureshifted sticky thread) this is going to be one of the futureshifted cards that is a "red herring" and does not show a mechanic that really goes anywhere in the future.
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It also implies that there are Rebel Instants and sorceries, because that would necessitate the saying "Rebel permanent card". If there are no Rebel instants and sorceries, then "Rebel card" would suffice. We should always assume that every word of rules text is put there for a reason. Therefore, by the inclusion of the word "permanent" we can conclude that there is a new subtype for instants and sorceries called Rebel.
If this is so, the question is raised, "Why?" Is it to expand splice? Some new mechanic?
Forgot to include that! Well, if they ever print a Goblin instant, it'd cost 1 less with Goblin Warchief in play. They'd also have to errata said Warchief to say: Goblin creatures you control have haste.
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Criature - Human Cleric Rebel
6, Return target Rebel card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play.
The Ramosian tradition lives, but the meaning of its name has been long forgotten.
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It doesn't have a mechanic from a future set, and it's not showing us a new land. I think it's just a look into Mercadia's future, a place unlikely to be revisited.
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Of course he is not lying! he is my friend and a respected player!
Look here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/protour/yokohama07-invitations&tablesort=6
Of course, if we get some good 5 cc rebels to recur, it may look a little better, but without some insolvability its an expensive non-threat that is easy to kill if someone manages to set something up with it.
In limited however, it is a house.
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Permanente = Permament
Carta = Card
So, stay on topic, its real...
Its a bomb for limited... but... nothing great. For me at least.
It isn't fake.
And read the Timeshifted sticky before making any comments like 'omg rebels r comin bak'.
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Nah, its ok man no problem.
I wasnt mad or something, its just the way i write ^^
And like Seds says, even if it's real, that doesn't mean rebels (or Ramosians) will be in future sets. It means they might be. In other words, we can glean nothing from any futureshifted card.
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thanks fot that...! didnt realize!
Almost. This would be more like it:
Ramosian Reviver
3W
Creature - Human Cleric Rebel
6, Return target Rebel permanent card with converted mana cost 5 or less from your graveyard to play.
The Ramosian tradition lives, but the meaning (reason?) of its (his? her?) name has been long forgotten.
2/2
Renimator is usually translated as Reanimador. Resurrector would be translated as resuscitador. This is not definite though.
A Rebel permanent card would be a Rebel creature card, Rebel land card, or Rebel enchantment card. This, along with the wording of Sliver Legion, seems to imply the existence of non-creature permanents with creature types either in this set or in the future.
Finally, in the flavor text, "su" might refer to either the tradition or to the Ramosian who performs the rite. "El porqué" can be translated as "why it started" or "the meaning behind the rite."
It also implies that there are Rebel Instants and sorceries, because that would necessitate the saying "Rebel permanent card". If there are no Rebel instants and sorceries, then "Rebel card" would suffice. We should always assume that every word of rules text is put there for a reason. Therefore, by the inclusion of the word "permanent" we can conclude that there is a new subtype for instants and sorceries called Rebel.
If this is so, the question is raised, "Why?" Is it to expand splice? Some new mechanic?
Only Big Game hunter i think...
probably because it would be difficult to read on a white background. very hard on the eyes.
That in the future Rebels will be returning rebels from the graveyard? It's neat for a couple of cards, but I don't think they can support more than two whole bunch of rebels with this mechanic (they would just become redundant and dumb, because you would need to get your rebels in the graveyard in the first place; the original rebel mechanic worked well because rebels start out in your library).
(Though there could be dredge rebels...that'd be cool, I think.)
That in the future there will be Rebels? Why, when there's already been rebels in Mercadian Masques and Time Spiral (and Time Spiral pretty much uses up what's left in their design space, and mainly used them for nostalgia), and the design space there is certainly less than that of slivers (which can return for so many blocks because there are so many abilities you can give to slivers).
I mean, compare to Imperiosaur, which tells us a lot more: that a future block may push monocolored and that a future block will have the mechanic "can only be played with basic lands."
Basically, I don't understand why this card is futureshifted. My point is this card could fit right into Time Spiral block, which has rebels, without being futureshifted.
I guess (from the futureshifted sticky thread) this is going to be one of the futureshifted cards that is a "red herring" and does not show a mechanic that really goes anywhere in the future.
- Jon Finkel believes in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet. He gets all his fiber from eating Magic cards for breakfast, and all his protein from eating Magic players for lunch.
Forgot to include that! Well, if they ever print a Goblin instant, it'd cost 1 less with Goblin Warchief in play. They'd also have to errata said Warchief to say: Goblin creatures you control have haste.